Carl

Then you're going to spend the rest of your days worrying and without being able to spend your cash. When I buy an item, I usually sell it that day so I don't lose money unless I plan on keeping it (Very few things I plan on keeping) but when I do keep them, I don't care about the loss. Pretty much every half decent item with good prices are merchanted, therefore the item you buy now that's going up, next week will probably have crashed and be unsellable. That's life, you must take risks. Buy the item's you feel you need, and when you're finished with them, be it a week/month check, you'll have probably profited. If not, then wait they're more than likely sure to rise again. To the topic creator, Ss's are merched quite frequently from what I've seen. Chances are, it'll go back up.

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true but i checked on cmrobins and there were 32 people at that one time. now that wasnt all of them, so thats quite alot of people and probley quite a lot of money screwing us over. 32 People? That can't do anything. Honestly, without a somewhat organised channel with atleast 100-200 people with atleast 30M cash, you're not really going to get anywhere fast. Buying an item out now, after the added limits, means you need ALOT more people. And to be able to hold it for a week or more, you need people with extra money. 10M is nothing when it comes to buying out.

Well, it's never nice to see anyone quit. Goodluck in real life, hope it goes well for you. And very nice of you to buy others junk, hope you had fun while you did play. Sorry to see your goals didn't quite work out, but they don't for alot of people. Bye, and goodluck. :wave: (Which we don't have)

[/hide] not really a "merch" if you ask me whoever doesnt know claws are going up should be well beaten? just luck that you got them I never said it was a merch? :? Oh, well I didn't mean it like that. I meant, with the claws I'll be making 5Mgp+ per day. (Not merching them) But I just reread it and saw I typed it incorrectly. Thanks. :thumbsup: :oops:

[/hide] not really a "merch" if you ask me whoever doesnt know claws are going up should be well beaten? just luck that you got them I never said it was a merch? :?

Ahh, what a wonderful day it's been. Why? You may ask. Well, yesterday evening the Ge updated (Some may see where this is going.) And I got an offer in for a specific item seconds after it did, as I knew it was expected. Put an offer in for two of said item. I logged out, and each time I logged back in I instantly looked at my chat box looking for GrandExchange offers that had updated. Sadly, there were none that night. The next morning, after I had just woken. I logged in, saw an offer updated and said to myself "This is it!". Put in my bank pin, and was shocked to say the least. So, now I have two pairs of Dragon Claws. Three people said congratz and I was extreemely lucky, and the others well, they weren't too happy. I got them for just a tad over 17M and had my other pair since I think 8M. Should be getting 5M gp rise from them per day, not including my other merch items. This is my 4th time owning claws, now. I got my first pair for 16.4M (when they had just been released and were 150k trade) and sold them soon after. I'm overly happy. \ 8-)

Try get rid of the hat, perhaps downgrade and try your hardest to get hold of mage bottom? ;) Otherwise there's bottoms, just normal "pants" that match the colour of the robes.

Ahh Very nice Mylz, congratz. :thumbsup: Gl with 70 fishing, too. I'm sure it'll be a whole load of fun! :lol:

Somewhere between 1 and 100.

It's not that simple. Setting the prices artificially for items that have absolutely no use is more work than creating some sort of void to toss them into. This way, the items don't inflate to values that don't come close to reflecting its worth. I mean change the prices of items like Dragon claws so they meet there street price in the GE. If they do that, no more junk trading except when it comes to lending.

What I've been saying but no-one's listening. Simple way for Jagex to fix this is to adjust the prices. Magzar, The good old days are long since gone. They won't be returning so don't expect people to do things as they once used to be done. Junk trading, yes it doesn't wield and great profit if you don't make the item yourself, but it keeps said items out of the hands of people that can't afford the buffed up prices.

and there's the problem Runescape is a game and players pay for the opportunity to own and use these rare items that merchants take such pride in placing out of their reach keep it up and watch what happens a lot of people are dissatisfied with the ridiculous prices and it only takes so many kid's parents complaining about it before Jagex will be forced to take action cheaters and people working around the system is what brought on trade limits and did away with the wilderness what would you like to destroy next? Hang on a second. The Ge was introduced when trade limits were going to be set, ANYWAY. You couldn't work around the system before trade limites, because there was no system. Things today are just the same as they used to be, the new items are sold at rediculously high prices today, just as they once used to be. RuneScape is a game, yes, and playing it how I want to is my own decision. There's clearly not enough people dissatisfied with the current situation for Jagex to care, and when Jagex decide to take action all they can really do to fix this is make it so items rise more per update. Think Jagex are going to listen to some kids PARENTS?! Hell, there's not even a way for someones parent to complain to Jagex. by working around the system i mean RWT and considering Jagex is a business their contact information has to be on file if nothing else enough digging would find you their mailing address and enough pissed off soccermoms can drive anyone crazy enough to change things as far as choosing your own way to play, that's great until it becomes a detriment to the playing experience of others if your choice was to make your character walk around nude(assuming that were possible) people would take offense because it lowers their standard of play placing prices of items out of the reach of non merchants has the same effect Jagex does not want to implement any more restrictions on trade so they are hesitant to make changes but if the practice continues they'll have no choice but to stamp out merchants for the good of the majority the same way you stamp out players with less money for the good of your wallet i'll be the first to admit it's clever and applaud your ingenuity, but eventually jagex will be forced to stop it, it's just good business I know enough digging can get you there information (I, myself, have Andrew gower's personal email address and the new head of RuneScape's., but I really don't think Jagex will listen. Whenever they come across something they can't fix, they completely ignore it (From my own personal experience with several Jagex mods). Merchants have been around since the start of RuneScape's, it's a completely different way of playing RuneScape to some. I myself don't skill, nor train anything. Just merchant and manipulate with my fellow channel members. Fair enough, it is ruining how others play and train but honestly, I don't care. As you said, my wallet's more important than others game play (By that I mean the things I do, I couldn't care about who they affected). Jagex already destroyed the old way of merchanting by implementing trade restrictions, so we have to work around it. Jagex have already tried cutting down some common items that are used to junk trade, e.g scrolls, pouches. But there's always more. Until they come out with a super-effective way of destroying all junk, nothing will happen. [/hide] yeh the system they implemented trading pouches and scrolls for shards was a step in the right direction i think if they maybe let you trade in unstrung bows for credit for something like arrows/bolts and maybe willow logs could be traded in for credit for planks and whatnot for construction, things like this would cut down on the junk a lot but that still only partially addresses the problem and if you're the type of person to fill your pockets at the expense of others in the real world as well as in runescape then i'm sorry to say it, but i wish you all the worst Do that to others in real life? That's not something I'd ever do. Real life is a whole lot different, RuneScape's a game where I can profit of off others. Taking that into the real world when it's not in a full business situation where you're buying and selling goods is something I wouldn't do.

and there's the problem Runescape is a game and players pay for the opportunity to own and use these rare items that merchants take such pride in placing out of their reach keep it up and watch what happens a lot of people are dissatisfied with the ridiculous prices and it only takes so many kid's parents complaining about it before Jagex will be forced to take action cheaters and people working around the system is what brought on trade limits and did away with the wilderness what would you like to destroy next? Hang on a second. The Ge was introduced when trade limits were going to be set, ANYWAY. You couldn't work around the system before trade limites, because there was no system. Things today are just the same as they used to be, the new items are sold at rediculously high prices today, just as they once used to be. RuneScape is a game, yes, and playing it how I want to is my own decision. There's clearly not enough people dissatisfied with the current situation for Jagex to care, and when Jagex decide to take action all they can really do to fix this is make it so items rise more per update. Think Jagex are going to listen to some kids PARENTS?! Hell, there's not even a way for someones parent to complain to Jagex. by working around the system i mean RWT and considering Jagex is a business their contact information has to be on file if nothing else enough digging would find you their mailing address and enough pissed off soccermoms can drive anyone crazy enough to change things as far as choosing your own way to play, that's great until it becomes a detriment to the playing experience of others if your choice was to make your character walk around nude(assuming that were possible) people would take offense because it lowers their standard of play placing prices of items out of the reach of non merchants has the same effect Jagex does not want to implement any more restrictions on trade so they are hesitant to make changes but if the practice continues they'll have no choice but to stamp out merchants for the good of the majority the same way you stamp out players with less money for the good of your wallet i'll be the first to admit it's clever and applaud your ingenuity, but eventually jagex will be forced to stop it, it's just good business I know enough digging can get you there information (I, myself, have Andrew gower's personal email address and the new head of RuneScape's., but I really don't think Jagex will listen. Whenever they come across something they can't fix, they completely ignore it (From my own personal experience with several Jagex mods). Merchants have been around since the start of RuneScape's, it's a completely different way of playing RuneScape to some. I myself don't skill, nor train anything. Just merchant and manipulate with my fellow channel members. Fair enough, it is ruining how others play and train but honestly, I don't care. As you said, my wallet's more important than others game play (By that I mean the things I do, I couldn't care about who they affected). Jagex already destroyed the old way of merchanting by implementing trade restrictions, so we have to work around it. Jagex have already tried cutting down some common items that are used to junk trade, e.g scrolls, pouches. But there's always more. Until they come out with a super-effective way of destroying all junk, nothing will happen.

and there's the problem Runescape is a game and players pay for the opportunity to own and use these rare items that merchants take such pride in placing out of their reach keep it up and watch what happens a lot of people are dissatisfied with the ridiculous prices and it only takes so many kid's parents complaining about it before Jagex will be forced to take action cheaters and people working around the system is what brought on trade limits and did away with the wilderness what would you like to destroy next? Hang on a second. The Ge was introduced when trade limits were going to be set, ANYWAY. You couldn't work around the system before trade limites, because there was no system. Things today are just the same as they used to be, the new items are sold at rediculously high prices today, just as they once used to be. RuneScape is a game, yes, and playing it how I want to is my own decision. There's clearly not enough people dissatisfied with the current situation for Jagex to care, and when Jagex decide to take action all they can really do to fix this is make it so items rise more per update. Think Jagex are going to listen to some kids PARENTS?! Hell, there's not even a way for someones parent to complain to Jagex.

This will not happen until such items that are junk traded hit there Street price on the GE. And yes, the first person to own a new item really is the judge on what price it is. I was in such a position when claws came out that I was one among very very few people to own the claws. I said a price and people wanted it, no matter what. If there was no trade limits it could have been sold for ALOT. You tell Jagex to tweak the % an item rises and then you'll see less junk trading. I, for one don't want this to happen. Because, as it is only the wealthy can afford decent junk traded items that the average person could have if they were bought on GE.

Whenever I did die (Which is maybe once a year, if even!) while training or something, I just get completely flushed out. The feeling where everything just stops, it's not nice. I'm normally to panicy to actualy do anything after I died. To the above poster, if I wish to hug my pixels I will do so. It took irl time to gain what I have, so it's worth alot to me.

I don't really find it necessary, hitting "Search for item" seems a whole lot easier than spending extra money to get a hold of a second just so it doesn't move in your bank. I have only one of my skillcape, because buying another one to hold a positing is a waste of money.

mods can wear untrimmed capes when they have all 99s? They can alter their stats too whatever they want, so probably. I've seen level 1 j mods before :P if they alter their cb lvls, how do they still have 138 and "no 99s"? Same mod, back just after summoning was released it was in f2p. He was level 126.

NVM >.

I seen someone post on the previous page that when it comes to a merchanting clan dumping it always fails. I answer your question for you, in a completely different way and I will tell you Why the dump time fails. Right, where do we start. Okay, a clan buys out an item which was the by the clan administrators. Everyone buys and soon solo merchants soon take on because they see a chance for profit. Okay, great, we're all making profit and when we dump the solo merchants are the only ones that gets messed up. Now, the people in the channel are the ones that cause the problem, the early dumpers that is. The problem THEY cause and why the item fails is because, take for example it's set in the channel/clan chat that they're to be dumped at "X" price. Those EARLY DUMPERS only think of themselves and decide to dump there items say, a day before it's set. Solo merchants then, that are still buying, and those clan merchants that are still buying realise that the item's coming through the Grand Exchange relatively easy. "Okay, guess it's time to dump" the solo merchants say. The merchants in the channel, the actual smart ones that aren't doing it just for themselves notify an admin in the channel and measures will be taken to stop the dump going so bad. The problem is the merchants inside that dump early, they put there's into the Grand Exchange for UNDER max, anyone buying them then stop, pop there offers back into the Exchange for med price and under because they're buying for max (Say it's a raw material or something). When the item's set then in the channel beacuse of these early dumpers and the item not being easy to sell at max EVERYONE has to put there offers in for medium and below. If it had of went as planned, everyone's items would be put in at max meaning they won't be unable to sell. And that's why pre-dumpers FAIL! I've always tried my hardest in the channel's I help found to make sure there's no predumpers in it and I take the necessary measures to make sure whoever did it is found and banned. Is that okay, or do you need to know anything else?

Money should take effort to get. And I highly doubt Jagex intended to add the ability to manipulate the prices so easily with the grand exchange, I would think it'd be more the challenge of how can they stop artificial price changes without stopping natural price changes. Price manipulating does not seem to go with the "spirit of the game". It takes a lot more effort to think things through, find the best investment opportunities, pick the right time to sell off investments, find more and repeat, than it does to find one method of skilling or killing for cash and mindlessly doing that over and over again. According to your standards, people IRL that work in skilled jobs (like people working for Jagex, funnily enough) should make a lot less money than people that just stack shelves at their local supermarket, because they aren't "working for it" and it's not as much "effort". Excuse everyone else for using the brains they have... And really, stop trying to make all merchanting, including investing, out to be the same as price manipulation, it just makes you look clueless. Manipulating the prices of an item requires the same going through as investing in items, it's just on a much larger scale. The people that suggest the items to buy out as a whole clan MUST go through the graphs, study when and where they did go up and at what exact price is right to buy them out. It's not easy, and setting the item for 100's of people that rely on you for there own profit is not easy. Often spending days to find the right item that can bring in max profit and cause the least hassle when thousands/hundreds of thousands or even millions of them are getting dumped at one time. Making money, in your eyes greenmelf should be just as hard as soloing the Corporeal beast (sp?). That's how you're coming across, anyway. There have always been merchants, no one ever had a problem. The bring in the Grand Exchange and destroy alot of profit and items that were easily used to make money off and forced us to use the GE. Then, studying how it works brings us to where we are now. A great way to profit that requires little to no attention when it comes to buying it. It's not easy, and when it comes to setting an item everything you worked for can go just there. If an item goes bad, chances are you'll lose all your members. They wouldn't risk losing money again. And, also, getting 100's of people into one channel to do the same thing as one another is not easy. And getting 800+ like we had before I quit my previous channel, again, was not easy. Required months of work, literally. You may prefer skilling and monster hunting for your money but those two things I just do not enjoy. Only thing I enjoy on RuneScape is watching my cash pile grow, and how I do that is buy merchanting and manipulating. Different stokes for different folks.

Well then, yesterday I finally decided I'd had enough of my 3rd Age Full Helmet, wanting to sell it I quickly rushed to the Grand Exchange. Standing there for hours, and hours Typing my erm.. fingers out I saw a guy from my clan. (Note, 3a street prices have fallen and claws rose) I was aiming for a pair of claws, which would be my 3rd pair (Sold the other two a while back and one for the helm). The person from my clan has 3rd age plate and legs, and he was after a helmet. Thinking to myself "YES, FINALLY MY LUCKY DAY!" And, well, yeah. He originally was selling his claws for 3rd age helm and mage hat/coif but there were no sellers. He decided to buy mine: I was happy, finally got rid of the helmet. Then I bought some more armour And today, after a few hours scouting around World two I convinced a guy to buy my Staff. 8-) So, now I have a placeholder. :lol:

solo merchenting can buy out items too. solo merchenting is usually buying low sellign high in one ge update Yeah, alright. 150 people can buy 10 warspears each. Your telling me one person can buy 1,500 guthans warspears? Thats 2.7B, and if you have that much, you dont need to be merching (not to mention its not possible to have that much money. It's possible to have over 10B Gp, you just can't hold it all in your bank/one invent. Usually buying something in The Ge That you'll never get at any price (E.g Full Third Age Melee Set around 195M I think) And putting your offers in for that, and canceling. So, your Gp just sits in that offer. Do that with all of your boxes and there you go. And no, it's almost impossible for a solo merchant to buy out an item on there own, especially with the Ge limit.

Buying an item with a clan at one price and dumping after the first update for a different price (That's if the buying power of the channel can manage to push the price up) Whole Clan Maniuplating is buying an item out for days Solo Flipping is quite the same, buy the item under med and as soon as you get it putting it back into the Ge