stonewall337

Exactly. At dag kings, I hop a few times. At Graador, I ask how long they have left. I crash after giving reasonable effort to find a free world. I'l defend my spot, but if its more efficient to hop, I'l do so.

lol @ not being able to figure out how to upgrade phats in 15 minutes. Ok - I lol'd at that. I really did! *wipes tear* Oh - wait. What? You're serious? No. Really. You know, this "new math" that you kids use these days makes no sense whatsoever. <_< Had it up to *here* with you. You asked, they told you, you acted like an ass. Go try and snipe a phat. Or better yet, instead of being "rude", like you think crashers are, go sell YOUR phat in the ge, let someone else get one! Meh - I already got one. Though obviously I haven't had it as long as you have had that burr up your ass. Hmm, what made you say that? You seem to think criticism necessitates a person being an ass. In this case, rejection of help when asked for makes you appear in a far worse light them my pointing out your doing so. As well, its only worth 30m more ON THE GE. If you havn't noticed, divine is worth LESS then an ely on the GE, but it has far more street. Thats more due to the failures of the GE,which allow lower street priced to update more frequently, due to their being sold more often, then any tie to "real" price. Remember, an item is worth only as much as someone will pay for it.

Ok, we seem to come down on two different sides: Those who think 1.) First come First serve is a right and 2.) Levels are irrelevant in who is allowed to kill a boss and those who think 1.) Due to there being no rules to the contrary, as well as a lack of resources, in addition to not accepting the theory of "right through first come first serve", the ability to kill a boss comes down to either no one else taking said boss, or else the ability to either take the boss for yourself, or prevent others to take a boss. And 2.) Whilst there is proper behavior, as well as good manners, in a situation where neither side can "own" a boss, then its is the responsibility of the lower level player to either fight for the spawn, or hop. Therefore, it is my stance that I reject the argument of "first come first serve" as not only be illogical, but also as being impractical and unenforceable currently, and as such determine that a more important factor is both ability and levels, with gear being a less important factor at certain bosses, but a more important factor at others. As such, after due process to find a world, if unable to do so, I will exercise my ability, and although some may disagree I will claim my right, to take a boss, or set of bosses (DKS, TDS) As such, although I view the crashing for "lulz" or to be an ass as reprehensible, much as I would view not blessing a grave of a teammate at GWD, I do not view crashing out of necessity, or practicality, as having any negative bearing on either my in game enjoyment, my real life morality or character. May it thus be known that I will crash if necessary at some bosses, will fight to defend my spawn if practical, and will not crash to be an ass as a rule. In addition, I find a person of similar levels, gear, and skill to me trying to crash me as being a futile gesture, as we will most likely split kills fairly evenly, and thus both parties should either decide who hops, or split kills. I do make exception to whom I crash if they are someone I am friends with, as well.

I'm one of those top slayers. I don't wait for the monster to die, thats just a waste. I collect loot later, when I'm running back to that spawn.

Exactly. He's actually being more rude by far then I am when I crash, or most people who've crashed me.

lol @ not being able to figure out how to upgrade phats in 15 minutes. Ok - I lol'd at that. I really did! *wipes tear* Oh - wait. What? You're serious? No. Really. You know, this "new math" that you kids use these days makes no sense whatsoever. <_< Had it up to *here* with you. You asked, they told you, you acted like an ass. Go try and snipe a phat. Or better yet, instead of being "rude", like you think crashers are, go sell YOUR phat in the ge, let someone else get one!

+9 level mod? L0L.

I agree with you that there are better alternative ways to making money. However, that doesn't mean that someone shouldn't or can't make money a slower, perhaps more inefficient way, does it? Why not? There's no reason I should sacrifice my own preferences just so that some random person - regardless of level - can have the convenience of choosing between bad and worse options. Obviously this would differ for people I know in real life. Agreed. RS friends are exceptions. But I wouldn't give up thing IRL for people I have never meet before.

An ego, and a false sense of entitlement. I don't know why would assume that someone hasn't worked as hard as you for their equipment or levels just because they are different or lower than yours. That solo mage that you have no qualms about crashing has probably been working his butt off to get to the point that they're at, and by boss hunting they are clearly trying to gain better stats, equipment, or the cash to help with both. You've ranted about people who aren't working to acheive stats like yours, but by crashing them you are denying them the chance to do the very thing you say they should be doing. How can any "low-level" person be expected to train their character up if other, more arrogant players don't allow them the space to? Because you DIDN'T. Your low stats PROVE you didn't train as much as me. If you want it, GET MY STATS. Then you can compete. Until then, you are crash bait. I don't recognize your right to "First come first serve" at a boss, and as such, I can, and will crash, if needed.

Mod stacey's private character is maxed BTW. (Its probably smelly o.0) Too bad none of the J-mods with any skill in RS are developers/designers. Jagex is so disconnected. Mod Edu is either 1.) An idiot or 2.) Clueless. Neither speaks well for Jagex.

Wait Gov, so you are saying it is IMPOSSIBLE to be attacked in that spot? That is the definition of safespot ya'know. Didn't put words in your mouth, I asked you a question, to clarify if you are a little confuses, or a lot. Cuz if you thought that were a REAL safespot, you'd be really wrong.

Why don't you go back to arguing semantics on the word emergent? You don't have a leg to stand on here. There is a big picture in front of your face in but your too blind to see it. Like the old saying goes, you can always lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. Oh god, just admit you're wrong and make up. He never has, or will. ITS NOT A SAFESPOT. You can still be attacked. You are safe until that one dragon loses agro, and another attacks you.

Was talking about that. You seem to think I am talking about something else. You are wrong. End of story.

Emergent gameplay means EXPLOITING parts of the game in ways that the developers had not intended, but does not necessarily constitute bug abuse. It's not just using something, it's EXPLOITING it for some sort of advantage. This is the crucial difference between "role-playing" and emergent gameplay. Sure, Jagex had not designed POHs to be used as strip clubs or restaurants, but using them as such is not advantageous exploitation - it's just role-playing. - Using the withdraw-x option on a BoB to CONTINUOUSLY use bones on an altar is an example of emergent gameplay. - Using a cannon in a single-combat zone to hit multiple targets is an example of emergent gameplay. So, by definition, 76king and Wind Bolting = Emergent gameplay? Or manipulation clans? In a sense, yes. Emergent gameplay isn't by definition good. It can be deleterious. Of course, then you get into the what is/isn't deleterious debate.

Not a safespot, you can still be attacked by dragons on the other side. I commend you for making a fool of yourself once again, yet still not feeling embarrassed.

What is your current RuneScape display name?: Stonewall337 What Tip.it highscore list(s) are you currently added to?: P2P

crashing should only be done if you are the strongest. To a lower level/undergeared player its a waste of time to crash someone stronger then you. That's pure and utter BS and you know it. Crashing seldom has anything to do with whether someone is higher level or better equipped. It entirely comes down to whether someone has a faster computer with a better connection. Either way - it's plain rude. Tired of these opinions. Prove it, make an arguement, but don't just say "OMG U SO ROOD" Prove it.

But making a game out of tossing the ball to each other is emergent. Even here, people are not thinking outside the box. Use your imagination. WRONGWRONGWRONWRONGWRONG Emergent gameplay is using something for which it wasn't designed. The gnomeball was designed to be thrown. Anything involved in throwing it is using it as it was designed. Alching gnomeballs for mage xp would be emergent gameplay though. Or using it as fiat currency. What you are talking about is making your own fun. Its not emergent gameplay, and I really CBF continually defining terms to people (not saying you here Danz, its on many other threads too) who are too stubborn to listen, and continually apply their own (Incorrect) definitions, and then argue their point, based ON THEIR STUPID, WRONG, ILLOGICAL DEFINITION. If you define terms differently, and I'm right here with my definition, then we are actually arguing different points. Its really moot to continually arguing what EG is, without defining it. BTW Katori is wrong, this is a mmoRPG. Thus RPG was designed. Thus it is IMPOSSIBLE to be emergent. What about using the onion coloured clothing with the pupetmaster emote and role playing with that. That would technically be emergant game play because i'm sure jagex had no intentions of having that sort of material in a game with lots of kids playing it. And by your definition then there can be no such thing as emergant game play. BOB's were meant to carry and withdraw items therefor using the withrdrawl option to increase pray xp is not emergant. Or even cannoning multiple targets in single with a cannon since it is designed to shoot cannon balls. Emergent gameplay=/= roleplaying.

Yeah . . . no one put down anyone in this thread (except for Golvellius attempting to troll, as per usual). You're mad because a couple players voiced their opinions on role-playing, and you somehow inferred that it MUST be because it's inefficient to do so. :rolleyes: The problem that Grimy, Stone, and Green have with the dev-blog is that it portrays ROLE-PLAYING as EMERGENT GAMEPLAY. That's it. There's no need to have an anti-efficiency attack over it. :rolleyes: And a few more of these for emphasis: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Well, we obviously see it differently because we have different views, so don't :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: at me. Also, some role playing is considered emergent gameplay, depending on how you look at it. No its not. You are wrong. An RPG, by definition, allows for Role playing. Thus its designed, and not emergent. Any type of rollplaying is a subset of that design.

But making a game out of tossing the ball to each other is emergent. Even here, people are not thinking outside the box. Use your imagination. WRONGWRONGWRONWRONGWRONG Emergent gameplay is using something for which it wasn't designed. The gnomeball was designed to be thrown. Anything involved in throwing it is using it as it was designed. Alching gnomeballs for mage xp would be emergent gameplay though. Or using it as fiat currency. What you are talking about is making your own fun. Its not emergent gameplay, and I really CBF continually defining terms to people (not saying you here Danz, its on many other threads too) who are too stubborn to listen, and continually apply their own (Incorrect) definitions, and then argue their point, based ON THEIR STUPID, WRONG, ILLOGICAL DEFINITION. If you define terms differently, and I'm right here with my definition, then we are actually arguing different points. Its really moot to continually arguing what EG is, without defining it. BTW Katori is wrong, this is a mmoRPG. Thus RPG was designed. Thus it is IMPOSSIBLE to be emergent.

Without getting into whether or not I think these things are "good" or "right", as those terms are highly relative (in a game), here are examples of emergent gameplay. Killing monsters of effigies instead of training the skill "conventionally". Graahk/Kyatting to run nats/summoning. "rushing" dg's. (Jagex said large dungeons take 2-3 hours lol) Cannon in single combat. BoB when training herb/smithing. 26/76king. ETc. Etc. And Goi, you didn't give me another definition, or a reason why Wikipedia is either a) wrong or b) unreliable in this instance.

Ye SS is v nice, just not worth losing piety over.

You provide a better definition Gol. You won't. You never disprove, you just mock. Prove me wrong, or I am right.

Agreed. Wouldn't it be useful to get that practice with those who have done it and understand it so that it makes you a better player for yourself and for any other teams you work in so you can pass this on, rather than be dismissed as not being good enough? No. It doesn't take that much practice to become a normal DG'er, it takes a bit more to become good, and I don't want to slow myself down to help others who I'll never DG with again. I don't play RS for others.

You obviously know nothing about what emergent gameplay is. That is normal content being played like it should. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergent_gameplay