[qfc]14-15-92-63685396[/qfc] original thread. I doubt this thread will make any impact at all, but decided to write down my thoughts and some facts about the huge amounts of begging and scamming that goes on in runescape today. Also note, this is not a rant, so do not move it there. Begging methods. "Selling toy horse 1k/have a free toy horse/Saving for rune armour" Anyone you see saying this generally is not really wanting to sell the horse for 1k, they are hoping you give them some cash out of pity for them being so useless at runescape (same for saving for rune armour and all other variants of people selling items for really low amounts). These people are everywhere, and people fund them which fuels their spam and really gets in the way of gameplay. "Taking donations for good karma/selling lucky horse" (at duel arena generally) Another variant, these people are extremely irritating and generally use auto typers to get in the way of everyone. "50k plz got hacked" Again another form of begging, they have not been hacked they just cannot be bothered to work for their cash, and hope people take pity of them. Scamming methods - Basically begging because they are so bad, and you generally deserve it if you fall for them. "doubling cash" They offer to double your cash, seems legit "flower gaming!/Hot/hot" This is a scam EVEN IF THEY PAY OUT on a win, you are playing a game heavily stocked in their favor, they are just begging in a more interesting way. Also of course the scams who don't pay out. For the general Rs public - Why should I care? Aside from the obvious annoyance, this attitude that I deserve money and do not want to work for it is driving rs down the drain, RWT, Squeal of fortune, dicing, begging and scamming all come from a refusal to work and it is this which is ruining rs, not jagex's updates as people are all to happy to preach. These people can be helped, tell them how to make money and most of all, DO NOT SUPPORT THEM. The amount of people I see giving for example 10m out to the person who gave them a lucky horse and acted like a noob is depressing, these people make a profit out of doing this, and you are fueling the attitude which will surely doom us all! Little bit of an overstatement, but not much of one. I cannot stress the importance of never giving in to beggers and scammers, if it was not profitable then people would not do it! A message to the beggars/anyone poor! It is not all doom and gloom! Just because you cannot afford bandos right now and it seems impossible to reach without crying until someone gives it to you, it is possible to work towards it with not that much effort. Green dragon killing for example is a great low level money maker, just be smart and search youtube/forums for good guides! Most important bit- Even if people are giving you 100k every now and then because you are selling toy horses, think how much more cash you could have made in that time through even the worst money makers! You may think it is impossible to get a party hat without scamming or cheating, but nex and staking are amazing money makers, Anyone can do staking but obviously it comes with risk, stakers lose just as much money as you see them winning, they are not magic gods to be begged from! Also, your methods do generally do not work and prevent you from making friends on runescape. You will find it hard to form a bandos team from people you were begging from or scamming, it is much better to meet people in general runescape and form monster hunting or pking teams, than stand around the ge for hours shouting doubling cash. A further note on dicing and flower games. These are designed in order to take cash from you, the odds are always not in your favour and you will always end up getting cleaned in the long run, the people you see making bils are always the hosts, who make their cash either through laughable odds (60:40?!! irl casinos give much much much better odds). Cash is also made by selling ranks in these scam ccs, you do not even need a cc for flower gaming or lrc dicing! - Little off topic, but do not think it is the way forward to start flower gaming or dicing! Everyone also hates the people in the ge and on pk worlds with the constant hot/cold spam, again showing how far runescape has gone towards instant gratification. "THIS IS JAGEX'S FAULT JHADFJASDFH SOF SUCKS UPDATES SUCK YOU KILL GAME" - The reason runescape may seem to be worse nowadays is due to the quality of people ingame, you are constantly spammed by rwt adds (people are too lazy to work for gold), beggars (see previous) and scammers/games hosts (see 2 previous). - Runescape the game is better than ever! (aside from pj timer, fix that jagex!) The quality of updates is generally good (I see SOF as a result of the community sliding into supporting lazyness, if no one bought spins then jagex would remove it). The wilderness is back and you have epic bosses like nex and a load of high end game content. How can we get a better community? I don't want to talk with the noobs. - Everyone started out as a noob, or as an 11 year old playing runescape. Elitism in for example not dungeoneering with lower levels in order to max out xp/hr prevents these people from ever getting good, and supports the pathetic practice that is selling floors, as these newbs (not noob) cannot learn how to train the skill themselves effectively. - Tell people begging how they are negatively effecting the game, and that they will have more fun and get cash faster by playing runescape how it is intended to be played. - For gods sake stop with the selling toy horse 1k thing. - Rich players were once like you and worked for their cash, you can do it to. - You do not deserve all 99s instantly, working hard for them is a reward it itself, which you would ruin by getting prayer through cash you begged for, for example. - Keep your private on! Use your ignore list but talk to people on rs! Wrote this in a rsof style so may seem a little informal for a tif post and contain too many (!s) and spelling errors.