yes this nerf really is abit fail... whilst herblore is (and has been) my lowest skill for a longg time, i was still mildly excited about this update :D I was looking forward to making the money + getting the herblore levels, for that slight advantage in pvp. The idea of non combat skills affecting pvp in a big way is a GREAT IDEA. Finally we might lose some of those pkers with 900 total, who think they are the kings of runescape. Skills are a MASSIVE part of runescape, like what, 2/3 of the stats you can train on runescape are skills? Skills should also come into PvP for sure. Maybe some high level untradable smithing armours, untradeable high leveled fish.. maybe even runes which make your magic hit more.. all some possible ideas for pvp :D Anyway whatever, guess i wont be forking out the cash on herb anymore, does make it easier i spose. but still, pvp shouldnt be for the lazy.