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Why are we talking about hall? He doesn't play for the bruins. Kessel is also 23 - giving him 18 years if he plays till 41. LOL'd irl. :lol: To Yguy: Yes, a 30-goal scorer with a +/- of (-21) IS a mediocre player ... Ahh of course. So you consider (for example) Erik staal, John Tavares, Matt Moulson, Matt Duchene, Patrick Marleau, Illya Kovalchuk, Andrew Ladd, Martin St. Louis all to be mediocre players? Give me a break. Yeah, Kessel's +/- is pretty bad. It doesn't automatically make him a mediocre player.

Fair enough. A 30 goal scorer is a mediocre player? Never heard that one before. You could argue he's slightly overpaid, but sorry - no 30 goal scorer is a mediocre player. Player that Boston didn't want? That's completley untrue. They tried to resign him - he refused. He demanded to be traded. Boston certainly wanted to keep him around - which is precisely why the price was so high. What burke was thinking is that he had to add some legitimate talent. Kessel was that, so he did it. The price was high, and we may see it was far too high. But there's no denying that the leafs are a better team now (with kessel) then the were before he got here. Yup, burke didn't think they would end up tanking that badly. Still, hindsight is 20 20... You're dealing in purely negatives - I honestly can't see them finishing 9th next year - nor that kessel won't be around before the end of his contract. Once again, you're making things up. Kessel is not the saviour of the leafs franchise. But he is a consistent 30 goal scorer, and that's something the leafs need. I'm not morally outraged. You know why? Because I've been a leafs fan for 15 years, and for the first time I actually really like the team. We've got a ton of excellent, young players, and even more excellent, young prospects. Our goaltending, while uncertain, certainly looks promising. I don't understand why you consider Seguin to be "world class talent" when his rookie season has been mediocre. How you extrapolate leadership from him, I've no idea... I'm not saying that he won't turn out to be an excellent player. I still think you're assuming he's going to be a franchise guy when that's far from certain.

By which time the Bruins will be in a Stanley Cup final, and the Leafs will be scraping by to just get into the playoffs. This is the problem with Leafs fans, you know. You think it's great to just get into the playoffs, when every other team in the NHL already knows that 8th place is like fool's gold ... :rolleyes: Lol what. I never said making the playoffs is the be all and end all. Of course every team wants to make the playoffs, but yes, i realize typically 8th place does nothing. I honestly don't see the leafs still "scraping to get in" by 14-15.

I never said that we know Kessel will remain consistent. Realistically, however, he has been a consistent 30 goal scorer. Without any reason to think otherwise logically we should assume he will keep that place. I also never said that rookies are unreliable. What I said was (which is completely true by the way) is that not all prospects pan out as nhl players. It is unfair to try to fully judge this trade before we've seen (a) who exactly boston picks this year, and (b) how the players boston picks adapt in the nhl. Yes, it's entirely possible that Kessel slumps next season and ends up tanking. Yes, it's entirely possible that seguin, mcknight, and the unknown from this year all end up having 400goal + nhl careers. However, you just don't know. You don't. I don't think we'll fully be able to judge the Kessel trade until probably the 2014-2015 season. This makes absolutely no sense. Both Gustavsson and Reimer have potential as starters - it's completely nonsensical to write off gustavsson before he's even played a full nhl season. My predictions, realistically, are the following. Kessel - continues at a 30 goal per season pace for at least the next 3-4 years. May do more if they can get a center. Seguin - probably has a good sophomore year next season - I could see him getting low-mid 20's in goals and 50 points. Not quite kessel but getting there. Knight - probably will go pro with providence next year and maybe play for the bruins in the 12-13 season. If he's got the work ethic I think he could be a decent second or third liner. Unknown for this year - pick will probably end up around the middle of the first round. Whoever it is likely goes to providence for 11-12 and bruins for 12-13. Give those another two years to see how they do, and by the 14-15 or 15-16 seasons we should have all the information we need.

Grabner was a pick from the 2006 draft. See Bly, the problem you've got is you're attempting to qualify Kessel against players that we just don't know yet. You also do realize that toronto didn't give up three picks in the first 10, right? We know (to a reasonable extent) that Kessel is a 30 goal scorer, maybe even a 40 with the right linemates. You do realize that not all draft picks pan out, right? It's entirely possible that seguin, knight and whoever they take this year all end up never making it as nhl players - in which case the trade would be a steal for toronto. You just don't know at this point. As for Gustavsson - he has played extremely well in the past and even this year for some of it. I still think that given toronto's past goaltending problems it would be extremely foolish to give up on him so soon.

I don't see how the Kessel trade was that bad. It entirely depends on how Tyler Seguin turns out - but at very least Kessel is an extremely talented player. As for Gustavsson, I think the last thing they need to do is jump to conclusions that he isn't ready. Give him another year at least.

Think we got a few :P Also your sig is too big... Lol. Teachers doesn't care about how the leafs do - they're selling because they have a funding shortfall. The raptors and leafs also aren't the same - most people were actually sad to see Kaba go for instance. Indeed. Great game for Reimer(can't say any of those goals were his fault). Pity Kulemin didn't get the hat trick. But seriously, I don't think anyone pictured the leafs having three thirty goal scorers at the end of this season (which may well happen). Kessel - obviously. Grabovski...not too long of a shot. But Kulemin? Probably the most underrated player on the leafs.

Wings resigned howard and osgood is too old. I don't see conklin being good enough to make it worth the leafs giving up on goose or reimer. Next year isn't do or die for TO at all..what do you think is going to happen? Fans aren't going to stop going to the games. @faux: agreed. If he doesn't pan out over next year he'll be gone.

I'm talking about the new testament here. I'm quite aware that nobody was alive at the beginning of the universe. This is why nobody bothers taking you seriously anymore.

Giguere was a necessary aquisition at the time - gustavsson wasn't ready (and may still not be) to be a starter. But I see them taking your advice next year, and sticking with Reimer/Gustavsson. The good thing is as well, that both Rynass and Scrivens have been playing well for the marlies so in the event either Reimer or Gustavsson turns out to be a bust they've got some backup.

Are you trying to be dense? No. I'm trying to be concise. If we have proof that Pastafarianism is entirely false then I would love to see it. We don't have proof that the events Pastafarianism describes could not have occured, but we do have proof that no pastafarian writer witnessed them and they can have been nothing more than a wild guess. We don't have proof that nobody witnessed the events described. We have proof that some guy wrote it down. Which is the same thing we know about the Bible. Uhh seeing as the creator of the writings admitted he created them in 2005 and could not possibly have been alive at the beginning of the universe...yeah, we do. Which is not the same thing we know about the bible.

Are you trying to be dense? No. I'm trying to be concise. If we have proof that Pastafarianism is entirely false then I would love to see it. We don't have proof that the events Pastafarianism describes could not have occured, but we do have proof that no pastafarian writer witnessed them and they can have been nothing more than a wild guess.

Hmm. It's been mostly working well for me other then a few broken images.

They resigned Anderson already. I don't see TO picking up a UFA goalie - the only one that would really make sense is Bryz and Burke has already said that's not happening.

My girlfriend does this kind of stuff but basically you'd need to re-record all the vocals...

I agree with you that private schools in general have a higher....calibre...of person, but there's a reason for it; they are too expensive for many families. I attended one for 8 years and enjoyed it but the financial strain on my parents was immense with multiple children. @dizzle's situation: Caring for others makes them care for you in turn. @rocco: Want to shrug off stuff as someone else's problem when you can make a difference? Fair's fair, but don't be surprised when the world does the same to you.

My point is that his .922 save percentage has come from the entire season. It's better than Clemmenson's - with a team that was much worse during the first half season.

Congrats DF, nice to hear you're still going strong despite making Kevin council :P

You do realize hedberg has been playing for them all year, not just the past two months? And @ fast - too true. Looking forward to boston vs. mtl tomorrow night? :P

Two things. Firstly - stop double posting. Secondly - Hedberg has played quite well - indeed his GAA and sv% this year are both better then Clemmenson.

I don't blame them. I don't see Brodeur playing for more than one or maybe two more seasons.

I agree. Judging by the video, it wasn't exactly unintentional either. Honestly -- it's time to take guys like that out of the league. That kind of crap has no place in hockey. Period. I agree. I don't think the NHl really cares though - easy to slap a suspension on a guy like Cooke who nobody likes and is a repeat offender. If they really cared, Heatley/marchand would have got 5+ games each. @faux: I agree, I don't think they'll make it either. They need to play a complete season, not half of one. Optimus Reim is great, Optimist Reim is better :D

Indeed. Nice to keep the pace though at least.

Font looks fine, agree with getting rid of the gradient. That said, I think it looks pretty good considering the colours :thumbup:

I think most of these posts deal with specific keyloggers that have been posted on the boards and people have downloaded. What makes you think you have a keylogger?