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Receiving the news that I had a snow day always gave me such a joyful feeling. I love sleeping in. Although I haven't had one since I moved to a peninsula. We get hurricane days here. I want hurricane days :( Now, having a snow day just means I don't work so don't get paid, so unfortunately the novelty has worn off a little. Seriously though, we've gotten so wimpy in regards to snow days. I remember when I was in elementary school we'd have a foot of snow and things would be fine. Now if we get like one inch they cancel things...

Definitely my life goal ;) Today...I am at work, awaiting something to do. After that I may go to the clinic as there's something wrong with my wrist.

Indeed. Learn something new every day eh? :P

I have a toshiba laptop which as worked wonderfully. My brother had an Asus laptop that had a bad hard drive but the tech support was decent and they replaced it pretty quickly. In terms of desktops, I've built my own (and did the same for my family) so I can't say much there, although I have had a few problems with individual components. I also have a blackberry that I'm quite happy with, no problems there at all.

Yay! What's your steam ID?

Yeah Rangers are huge. Islanders...not so much. And yeah, very curious to see how the oilers look in a few years. They've got some solid young talent.

This. It works in rs because it leads to discussion. In OT I think it would just go into spam and there wouldn't be enough discussion to merit it.

Ok, so why don't you do your little part and not provide business to said banks and self-interested corporations? I don't :P a least not directly Tbh, I'm waiting for everything to implode, indefinite economic growth is not as sustainable as some people think and that's what it's all about now'days. CONSUME CONSUME CONSUME. Of course nature has no economic value. What is nature? That's not a commodity. Move over nature, let me drain your blood, your blood is a commodity. I'm really not sure what you are trying to get across, it's as if you're posting from 2005. The global economy just came out of a recession caused by that mindset, and it's now been rejected by the public, governments and businesses worldwide. Economic growth is cyclical, so the best course of action is to minimise the effect of recession and thus accept it as a fact of life instead of ignoring it and suffering the consequences. Seriously, what's with the pessimism people? You really think things have changed? The economy is still out of control as ever. Look at the American dollar, it continues to weaken, now it's worth less than the Australian dollar. The only reason it seems like we've broken out of this crisis is because governments and reserve banks have created so much money out of freaking thin air. You can't fix debt with more debt, it's so bloody stupid. I have to agree with this. The economic recovery is, I believe, temporary. We'll be hit by a worse one, and soon. @cac: you said it was impossible to maintain economic growth, but that's not strictly true. It's only possible with constant population growth, which requires having kids, which western society has long since forsaken.

Fair enough.

Exactly! There comes a point where government decides that the a morality must be instituted for the good of society and thus the collective rights of society supersede those of the individual. The issue here is that opponents of homosexual marriage feel that the morality must be instituted for the good of society. The pro- gay marriage do not. That's as simple as it is.

To agree with you "murder is wrong" Is that a true or false statement? Its neither. You can say Sally thinks murder is wrong is a true statement. Or John thinks murder is wrong to be a false statement though. Exactly - and I've never claimed the statement "homosexuality is wrong" is an absolute. It's my opinion, and many others. Does that become a problem when national policy outlaws homosexuality (or in this case gay marriage)? Given that it is an opinion what right do individuals have to take rights from a minority? Same as it becomes a problem when national policy outlaws murder. Given that it is an opinion what right do individuals have to take rights from a minority?

To agree with you "murder is wrong" Is that a true or false statement? Its neither. You can say Sally thinks murder is wrong is a true statement. Or John thinks murder is wrong to be a false statement though. Exactly - and I've never claimed the statement "homosexuality is wrong" is an absolute. It's my opinion, and many others.

The nature of morality is such that it is never a fact. To play devils advocate...why is murder immoral?

Right, which is why I'm not trying to prove you wrong. And yeah, there is a lot of morality in an interpretation. The sole job of judges is to decide morality (or lawfulness) based on interpretation of law, yet I don't see you taking issue with that. You have to interpret in order to be relevant as the bible was written so long ago it doesn't cover the necessary bases.

And I've already said, multiple times, that to my knowledge there is no specific verse in the new testament dealing with homosexuality. That's why it's an interpretation - based off of Jesus' larger teachings they have inferred that homosexuality is wrong. If it said it directly, there would be no interpretation needed, it would be quite clear.

And where, exactly, do I say the word "bible", in that quote? The interpretations of the catholic church comes from the new testament. This is literally the fourth time I've said this.

Are you reading my posts at all? I've said its an interpretation. I've already told you it doesn't directly say that anywhere in the new testament. I've also told you repeatedly, multiple times, that I DISREGARD THE OLD TESTAMENT AS A RELIABLE GUIDELINE FOR MORAL BELIEF. And where, exactly, did I say a true Christan follows all rules of the bible as best he/she can? I believe I said they should follow the rules of the church, which are not the same as the bible for reasons I've already mentioned. If you continue to ask me the same questions repeatedly despite me answering them then I'm no longer going to respond. EDIT: @halo: if you consider yourself a citizen of a country, do you make your own laws? If you want to post on this forum, do you make your own rules? When you call yourself a member of an organization that should imply you follow the rules of that organization. No one's forcing you to - but don't call yourself a member of it then. I don't know why you're still arguing this as I've already said my point is moot since you're not Catholic.

As I've already said, I'm disregarding the old testament. Show me where in the new testament it says mixing fabrics is a sin, and I'll concede the point. Perhaps I'll quote the catechism for you - it's a far more accurate and descriptive location of learning about the teachings of the catholic church. On, and by the way...."yes this is an ultimatum I'm presenting you". Talk about forcing your beliefs...I thought atheists don't do that? :rolleyes:

Y guy - since the origin of this verse is deep in the old testament is it still valid, I mean a few verses later it says mixing fabric also is a ticket to hell, lol? I thought the whole point of the New testament is to say that things are different cause of Jesus and the old rules no longer apply? For the catholic faith - which focuses heavily on the New Testament I would like you to point out where Jesus says that homosexuality is wrong. I'm not a practicing catholic. Catholics in general refer to the new testament as it is what they believe Jesus instituted as a betterment of the old testament. The whole point of catholic belief is that the new testament is a guideline - I doubt there is a mention of homosexuality in there, and there certainly aren't mentions of birth control, euthanasia, abortion, and other things that affect our modern society. The whole point is interpretation - adapting the word of God to current situations. The catechism states that logically due to what Jesus said in the bible, homosexual activity is a sin. What I was trying to say to halo is that I believe it's hypocritical to call yourself a member of the church and not follow their beliefs. The reason I'm no longer a practicing catholic is because I don't wish to follow all of the church's laws (though I do agree with many). He told me he was not catholic, so my argument was unapplicable.

I suppose it would make all styles more valuable at least.

Interesting. I'll be curious to see what happens when it's actually implemented.

Ahh, my mistake. I assumed you were catholic. No comment then. Funny how the corner cases always tend to be brought up in an attempt to discredit the church, though. I wasn't aware a small percentage of clergy were the only ones who molest children. Not what i'm saying. I am saying it is sick how we follow the rules of people who don't bother following their own rules. It's sick how the leaders are the biggest hypocrites. But that is neither here nor there. what they choose to do behind closed doors is totally up to them and we have no right to judge. Uhh if you're referring to pedophilia I think we have every right to judge people who do that as it's disgusting behaviour that should never happen. My point is that an incredibly small number of priests are actually pedophiles - the secular media blows it up to such a proportion that people are brainwashed into thinking every priest is a pedophile. I highly doubt the policy makers at the Vatican are child molesters.

Ahh, my mistake. I assumed you were catholic. No comment then. Funny how the corner cases always tend to be brought up in an attempt to discredit the church, though. I wasn't aware a small percentage of clergy were the only ones who molest children.

Wow Rpg, way to break the forums :( Bored at work, everyone I work with immediately is off at training.

Well, actually, if you knew anything about church doctrine, it does say that moral decisions are made by the higher authority of the church and in order to be considered a practicing catholic these rules should be followed. I'm glad to hear you're willing to admit your shortcomings (according to church rule). Yet if you claim to be a practicing catholic, the church clearly teaches the way to be the "best you can be" is to repent of those sins and stop doing them.