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Hi. First of all, welcome to the world of fitness! Second of all, I have some very important things I feel like I need to tell you. 1.) I must tell you that, from my experiences, your goal is unrealistic. I am a gym regular myself, and I personally do not ever bulk "muscle mass" but I have many friends who do. I have to tell you that gaining 25 pounds of muscle mass in something like, what, 6 months? Is an impossible feat. Now, mind you, I am just talking about pure, muscle tissue. I am not sure what the confines of your goal are, but if it is explicitly to add weight in the form of muscle tissue, even the most experienced of my friends are only adding MAYBE 2 pounds per month. However, I will admit that maybe an individual such as yourself with no starting muscle mass MIGHT be able to add mass faster. If you can do it, that is great! =D> 2.) My tip is NOT meant to discourage you, it is meant to PREVENT you from becoming discouraged. I would personally suggest a more re-inforcing form of measuring your progress. For instance, you should maybe take a picture of yourself the same day every week, or maybe buy a measuring tape and take your chest, bicep, etc on the same day every week. Monitoring your weight can be VERY DISCOURAGING because sometimes, your body just does strange things. If your body decides to make you urinate out 5 pounds of liquid on the previous day, you might have a week where you "lose" weight and feel like you had a bad week, even if you might have gained some muscle. Measurements don't lie. If you are working out frequently your muscles WILL grow and their size does not fluctuate much. The average person's weight can fluctuate + or - FIVE POUNDS in the course of a single day! 3.) Change the order of your home workout. You should work out in order of big muscle groups to small muscle groups. If you blast your biceps first, this will lessen the quality of your chest workout most likely. The order I use is: Abs, back, legs, shoulders, arms. Smaller muscle groups get fatigued quicker, and basically you will be using all of the muscles in your body to SOME extent. If your biceps are exhausted from doing curls, youll have difficulty holding your max weight for a good bench press to fully exhaust your chest. 4.) You say that you do your "home workout" on the days that you dont have "lifting class". This concerns me greatly! Do you know how muscles grow? You do a weightlifting routine, and in this workout you TEAR muscle fibres. When these fibers get repaired by your body, they will be bigger. If you are constantly weightlifting for 2,3,4 days in a row, you could be seriously preventing some nice growth from happening. 2 days in a row is fine sometimes, but if you are doing a full body strength training routine every day of the week, you are just approaching a serious injury. BUT! IF you DO want to work out 4 days in a row, try to split your muscle groups into different days. Monday, do chest, shoulders, arms. Tuesday, do legs, abs, back. Wednesday, you can repeat your Monday routine...etc. This gives your muscles a nice time to repair healthily (and grow!) 5.) This is a great tip...many guys want to have enormous gains in their arms. Many girls love it when guys have huge arms...So what do guys do? Tons and tons of bicep curls. Let me inform you on a HUGE secret....do triceps! Your tricep muscle makes up a much larger portion of your arm than your bicep muscle. Gains in your tricep will make your arm way bigger than equivilent gains in your biceps. This doesnt mean you should do triceps INSTEAD of biceps, just dont make the common mistake of focusing biceps to make your arms grow. If one of your additional goals is to add size to your arms, focus your triceps. A great way to work out your triceps: get two sturdy chairs. Place them back to back, and stand in between them. If you know what a "dip" is, then I dont need to say anymore than this. Dips are a great way to blast your tricep muscles...BUT make sure you do them slow and with very good form. If you feel a lot of muscular strain in a place other than your triceps, you are probably doing them wrong. Any questions let me know

Your notion of "expectation" is basically the backbone behind the philosophical meanings of everything we do. Every debate about humanity is basically centered around this: is it right to do what is natural, or are our natural tendencies counter-productive to the advancement of the human race. My first example: violence. Everybody has violent urges in them. Why? Because we are animals. Animals fight with eachother...it is in their instinct. However, for obvious reasons (or perhaps...are they not so obvious?) violence is discouraged in most societies. It is one of those things that most people would agree is one of our BAD "natural tendencies". People are discouraged from being violent, no matter if their instincts want to make them a violent person. The second example: homosexuality. Homosexuals are a minority of the population. Their natural instincts to be attracted to members of the same sex are an "oddity" but are they wrong? No. In most intelligent societies in today's world, homosexuality is being brought into the realm of "normal" human behavior. This is a "strange" natural tendency that we have come to accept as being good for people. It makes the homosexuals happy, and it does not harm the heterosexuals, so we encourage people to do what comes natural. So my objective of examining Feminism is to try to figure out what type of classification we should put on our natural behaviors that differ based on our sex. Is it wrong to say "Women have motherly tendencies so it is right for them to be homemakers"? Is this statement the equivalent of saying "People have violent tendencies so it is right for them to kill eachother"? Are we trying to put these caregiving instincts in the "wrong" section of natural instinct? Or is the philosophy different? Are we telling women they should express their inner man? Should ALL women work to display both feminine and masculine qualities? What about men? Is it right for men to display feminine behavior? Should masculine men be pressured by society to display a feminine side? Or should we approach this like sexuality, and incourage each individual to display whichever such behavior they feel like displaying? These are a lot of questions that I feel are unanswered by what I have seen of the "feminist" movement.

I'm sorry but I think you seem to have misunderstood the intention of my post. Near the beginning I talked about how it was a good thing that women are treated LEGALLY equal to men (then can vote, they can own property, etc) My entire point was to question the social ramifications of "feminism" and the morals behind it, so that is probably why it seems like it is the only thing I am focused on. My problems in thinking about feminism arise because a lot of it seems to be philosophically questionable. How is thinking "I am not as good as a man and must strive to become 'as good'" at all a feminine thing? A lot (not all) of feminism seems to me that women are trying to become men because they think what men do is better. But, in reality, women are good at many things that most men do not have tendencies toward. My point was that the "feeling" i get from the social ramifications of radical feminism sends a message of "be as good as a man" to many young girls. In my mind, women should be saying "what comes naturally to women is just as good as what comes naturally to men" But that doesn't mean people arent allowed to do whatever they want. I am just saying that the majority of women are natural at one thing, and the majority of men are natural at another.

The 5 minute crash course to getting a six pack: 1.) Eat right. You wont burn fat unless you eat right. Eat high protein, low fat, low carb, high fiber. Make sure to get SOME fat though (healthy fat like some nuts or olive oil or avocados) NO SODA, NO SUGAR, NO WHITE BREADS. ALWAYS get some protein after a workout. Eat a banana or something too. (providing that your source of protein didnt already have carbs) 2.) Strength training. All you need really is two 15-25 pound dumbells. Do any excercises you feel like. Work out your abs first, then legs, back, shoulders, arms. (This is from biggest muscle group to smallest) If you have no muscle anywhere else on your body, you probably wont get a 6pack. If you can find a bar to do pullups on, do those. Also do the traditional "body weight" excercises. Pushups, situps, squat jumps, etc. 3.) "Cardio". Dont "jog". Dont go out and leisurely jog for 60-90 minutes. If you are trying to build muscle this is one of the worst things you can do. Your cardio should take 20-30 mins maximum. Start with a 5 minute warm up jog, then SPRINT as fast as you can for 1 minute. Then slow down but do NOT jog, you need to keep the pace a little above a jog for 2 minutes. Then another minute sprint, followed by another 2 minute fast-jog. Reapeat once more then cooldown 5-10 minutes on a slow jog. As you get better you can lengthen the intervals of sprinting, but the whole workout should never really go past 30 minutes. After that point you are doing endurance training and it is mainly working out your circulatory and respiratory system. This isn't what you want. You want to send your muscles into overdrive and burn off all your fat stores. Oh...and you can do other things for this too. Swim, bike, etc...just apply the same philosophy. If you are on an excercise bike, you don't have to do "fast peddling" you can do "higher resistance/incline" pedaling. Thats really basically it. All it takes now is time and determination. DO NOT strength train two days in a row if you can possibly avoid it. If you end up having to strength train 2 days in a row, focus hard on areas you didnt work the day before. Do different excercises for sure. Get in 3 strength training sessions per week, and 2-3 fat burning sessions per week. DO NOT do strength training after doing your intervals. After doing this running your body is in fat-burning mode and if you lift weights, you could be burning up some muscle instead of fat. You CAN do your intervals after doing strength, but ideally you should be doing them on your days when you arent strength training. THE MYTHS: Fat does not come off in targeted areas. You can't tell your body where to burn fat. You can't get a 6 pack just by doing ab workouts (this will just make your ab muscles larger, and the fat will still sit on top of them) Good luck! If anything doesn't feel right to you, consult your doctor. The hardest part about getting into great shape is LEARNING HOW TO WORK OUT. It takes a lot of practice before you learn how much strain your muscles can take, and how much fatigue is normal to get a "hard" work out. Many people dont see results simply because they dont realize the power their body actually has. They dont push their limits because of the pain. Well, you have to push through the pain (SOME pain). You cant teach anybody this because everyone has their own level of pain. Some people feel like theyre gonna tear a muscle, but in reality they could lift 50 pounds more. Some people feel like they aren't hurt, yet their muscle just tore. You need to find out where you lie and learn what ammount of pain gives you a "good" workout. EDIT: I forgot....WATER. Drink plenty of water. Drink it when you are not thirsty (but not TOO much...youll know when to stop) If you ever feel "thirsty" this means you have waited too long to drink. Dehydration sets in long before people "feel thirsty"!

--What I've been wearing this season--- Button up, sweater, tie, jeans, loafers/oxfords. Tee, blazer, jeans, canvas sneakers (please....NOT Chucks) Thermal tee, grey jeans, boots My favorite and most comfortable outfit: My prized red V-neck silk+cashmere sweater <- favorite piece of clothing Plain black T shirt under Whatever dark/classic wash jeans I have clean My favorite pair of black loafers I like to think I dress very refined, yet casual, on a daily basis.

In my political theory class...we have spent a lot of time speaking about "feminism" and I seem to have come up with a stance on it that many people never even thought of before, and somewhat questions the fundamental ideals of feminism. Are they even right? When I see a "feminist" group running around campus with their pro-choice signs and their unshaven armpits, honestly it just distrubs me a little. I think they are missing out on something here: There is nothing feminine about "feminism". No, this isn't about women not having the right to vote. No, this isn't about women having the right to leave the house...all of those things are great. Women deserve those kinds of things. What bothers me is when women go around urging little girls to set their sights high on the professional world; to not "give in" to an unfair "stereotype" and just become a housewife. I have seen so much "feminist" opinion that basically tells people "It is wrong for a woman to 'have' to stay in the house all day cooking and cleaning and raising the kids" But...wait...whoa...WHY is this a "bad" thing? I don't understand a lot of feminist opinion because they say "I'm gonna do everything a man can do!" There is nothing feminine about this...in fact, I think that is absolutely DEGRADING to women. For thousands of years, women served the role of caregiver, housekeeper, etc....and why is this suddenly a BAD "stereotype" of women? Why is getting a job "better" than being a homemaker? Why do women feel that they have to say "I can do math just as well as any man can!" This isn't empowering your womanhood...it is taking it AWAY from you. We are in a society that strives for equality, but in my opinion "equality" does not mean that you need to make a "step up" to the level of men...thats just ridiculous. What is wrong with the "stereotype" of men being the protectors and the workers, and women being the homemakers and the caregivers? In my mind, equality comes in the form of recognizing that these qualities are EQUAL to eachother. Our society is making many women feel that staying home is less important than going out and being the boss of your own business. In my eyes, these things are equal. Furthermore, the same thing could be said about men who have feminine qualities. I, for one, love to cook. I love to clean. I love to stay around my place and rearrange the house, and I've always felt like many of my natural tendencies would lead me to be an excellent homemaker. But, in today's society, this is the "wrong" thing to do....and I am just trying to figure out why so many people thought that what women tended to do was so inferior to what men tended to do. What do you guys think? Please don't flame this thread for absolutely no reason...I'm not making an inflammatory post and I'm not trying to tell anyone they are an idiot for thinking whatever they think. I just thought this was an interesting view on the society that has been developing in the past 100 years, and wanted to see how you guys thought about this viewpoint.

You're talking about PvE or raiding, where the only "difficult" thing is doing all the reasearch to find the perfect gear and perfect rotation. For ANY class, raid DPS is simple. All you do is press your rotation. A series of those bobbing birds could press the keys and it wouldn't be different from you playing it. What I am speaking of is PvP. It is the only thing in the game that is actually "hard", because PvE is always consistent. Once you learn rotations and tactics, you are all set to raid. PvP is a challenge and this is where rogues are hard to play. If you don't know what you are doing, youll get torn up by any facerolling ret pally or death knight. But if you truly master the class you can excel above others in Arenas and Battlegrounds. I'm not sure how you thought my remarks were regarded towards raiding as I kept saying how easily other people will kill you if you dont know how to play a Rogue. Perhaps you just didn't read that part, or any of my posts at all. From what it seems you saw the word "Rogue" and went "OMG THATS WHAT I PLAYED" and then you saw the word "hard" and said "OMG IT WASNT HARD FOR ME TO KILL BOSSES THIS GUY IS AN IDIOT" then instantly disregarded the rest of what my post said. But anyway, even to play a Rogue well in PvE, it does take some intelligence in order to maximize your DPS. This can be said to an extent for any class...but really rogues require a lot more research than most classes.

So little of what you said even makes sense about World of Warcraft, and I'd hate for anyone to make the mistake of reading any of your posts and thinking they are true so: *WoW is not "horribly imbalanced" in favor of Paladins. Right now, the most powerful PvP class is Warrior (arguably overpowered) and Paladins are really quite balanced. However they will always be popular for PvP because they (along with druids) are a class designed around versatility. People think Pallys are over powered because they always do well. Well, by nature of their class, they SHOULD always do "well". However, they are never at the very top. *You regret making a rogue because they "are useless in instances". I cant even do anything but LAUGH at this statement. Rogues are number 2 or 3 right now in top DPS classes (DPS=damage per second). Their damage is only competitive with Mages and Hunters right now, and they are far ahead of Warlocks. All the other "hybrid" classes are far behind those 4 (because they are not pure DPS classes) *You are complaining about Battlegrounds, as a ROGUE. This is the absolute most ridiculous thing ever. Rogues, due to the nature of the class, are ALWAYS going to be GREAT at PvP. They have the largest variety of stuns, crowd controls, interrupts, and movement slows available in the game. (except for maybe a warrior). But, on top of that, they put forth incredible ammounts of damage in short periods of time, AND they can stealth. I see the problem though. You picked a Rogue. Rogues are very hard to learn. And, judging from your writing, you are a complete imbecile, so this is probably why your experience playing a rogue sucked. Not to mention the fact that you did not play the game long enough to be able to learn the intricate mechanics of how to be good with your class. Perhaps you should try the game again as a Death Knight. You can literally smash buttons on your keyboard and perform well with that class. Oh and the part about "taking out twinks" is simply a lie. It isnt true at all, and I have no idea where you would get such a crazy stupid idea. I bet you probably just heard it somewhere and spit it out here without even verifying that it was true. Rogues are very hard to learn? You should have draped that statement with considerably more sarcasm to make yourself clearer. Well maybe I should rephrase it to "Rogues are hard to learn how to play WELL". Nothing in itself is "hard to learn" I suppose because whatever class you are, you can just walk right up to it and mash buttons and evertually it will probably die. But really, to do well with a rogue, takes time, intelligence, skill, and determination. They are a finesse class, especially when it comes to PvP. If you just randomly bust out of stealth and start Sinister Striking your oponent, your flimsy Leather-wearing butt is going to get exploded by any Pally, Warrior, DK, or even a fellow Rogue. If you don't learn the finesse of using your character, youll get constantly dominated, and then nerdrage about "OMG GAME IS IMBALANCED" just like trembake. Rogues take a lot of damage, and in order to survive they have to rely on very long cooldowns to not get chopped down in 3 globals. They aren't like a DK where their armor will mitigate a ton of physical damage and then they can self heal. Rogues have no self healing, they are restricted to the second lowest level of armor, they are only effective with melee combat (meaning that they have to be close to the powerhouse plate wearers to kill them, they cant just kite a Pally all day like a Mage can) and rogue PvP revolves around careful timing of a wide range of effects like stuns, disarms, and interrupts. Not sure how you can consider this "easy" to learn.

So little of what you said even makes sense about World of Warcraft, and I'd hate for anyone to make the mistake of reading any of your posts and thinking they are true so: *WoW is not "horribly imbalanced" in favor of Paladins. Right now, the most powerful PvP class is Warrior (arguably overpowered) and Paladins are really quite balanced. However they will always be popular for PvP because they (along with druids) are a class designed around versatility. People think Pallys are over powered because they always do well. Well, by nature of their class, they SHOULD always do "well". However, they are never at the very top. *You regret making a rogue because they "are useless in instances". I cant even do anything but LAUGH at this statement. Rogues are number 2 or 3 right now in top DPS classes (DPS=damage per second). Their damage is only competitive with Mages and Hunters right now, and they are far ahead of Warlocks. All the other "hybrid" classes are far behind those 4 (because they are not pure DPS classes) *You are complaining about Battlegrounds, as a ROGUE. This is the absolute most ridiculous thing ever. Rogues, due to the nature of the class, are ALWAYS going to be GREAT at PvP. They have the largest variety of stuns, crowd controls, interrupts, and movement slows available in the game. (except for maybe a warrior). But, on top of that, they put forth incredible ammounts of damage in short periods of time, AND they can stealth. I see the problem though. You picked a Rogue. Rogues are very hard to learn. And, judging from your writing, you are a complete imbecile, so this is probably why your experience playing a rogue sucked. Not to mention the fact that you did not play the game long enough to be able to learn the intricate mechanics of how to be good with your class. Perhaps you should try the game again as a Death Knight. You can literally smash buttons on your keyboard and perform well with that class. Oh and the part about "taking out twinks" is simply a lie. It isnt true at all, and I have no idea where you would get such a crazy stupid idea. I bet you probably just heard it somewhere and spit it out here without even verifying that it was true.

Not sure where this discussion is going. My point was that Logdotzip says "I feel happy" and then marvels at an "accidental" arrangement of a smiley face. @bedman: Freudian is not the same thing as connecting everything to sexual desires.

/facepalm You played for 3 months and got to 20....Jesus. :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink: Ugggghh.........ugh. I just started a new character the other day and I got to level 20 in 5 hours. I really don't want to say anything explicitly mean...but those of you who are reading this post. I'm sure you understand my emotions when I say: Some people just amaze me.

Some Freudian analists would suggest that your arrangement of those dots was not so "accidental"

Perhaps dragon bones warrant their own thread? This thread has strayed away from its original point. Thanks for trying to police the thread though.

'Tis why it's a good update. :P Why? I got my task from Lapalok, Abyssals, why should I not be allowed to use the new area to kill the creatures, simply because of my choice in Master? The whole point of the update is to give added incentive to use a higher level slayer master. The new area is a form of "reward" for doing something that will take longer. Adds different reasons to different things...otherwise the "best" slayer master would just still be Lapalok. Now theres more of a choice. I like the fact that we are rewarded for going to a more difficult master.

This would make Jad worth doing exp wise, right? I mean...the stuff you kill on the way will give slay exp, and it only takes like 90 minutes to do the whole thing these days, so even if you didn't get exp along the way, the 90 minutes for 25k exp would still be pretty good.

Quoting this, in case people missed it. Great piece of information!

So to enter this dungeon, do you have to be on task FROM HER or can you be on task from any slayer master? Sounds like it has to be from her, but just wanted to confirm...

Omg.... I love this game sometimes.

This just in: this man's opinion is apparently the only opinion that matters, even though he wasn't even a judge.

It isn't elitist...just just the way the game works. Most of the people are max level so thats what the updates are designed for. Back in the origninal WoW, they released a bunch of stuff for levels 1-60. After a few months, people got to level 60 and then when they added more to do, it was for level 60s. Then BC x-pac came out and it added content for levels 60-70. This original content was again, only good for a few months, and then people beat it all and got to 70. Then, in the lifetime of BC, all the new updates were intended for level 70s. Now its been a year since the new expac has come out, and most of the players are level 80. All of the updates are designed for level 80s now. The point is that if you only play it to level 60-65 or something, everything you have been doing was old stuff that is very underpopulated, and outdated, and is incongruent with the current "philosophy" of the game. It might sound elitest to say "you need to be 80, or else you really havent even played WoW" but it really isn't elitest. Level 80 corresponds to about 2-3 months of leveling, if you dont fiddle-faddle on the way. Do you think it is elitest to say that most Runescape updates should be for people who played more than 2-3 months? Agreed, It's not elitist. Ask any WoW player, the game BEGINS at lvl 80.The leveling phase is just to filter out the noobs who can't raid. ( more importantly for people to learn their class ). Any WoW player who hasn't raided at max lvl should not make opinions about the game. However, I mean, that doesn't mean you aren't allowed to enjoy the game before then. I and many of my friends love playing lowbie characters, and I actually thing I happen to enjoy playing the old outdated stuff with lowbie noobs as opposed to sitting through the same old raid with people in full epic gear. BUT, I would say that nobody has the right to DISLIKE the game having only played the leveling process. I think thats a thing I forgot to mention before. If you are leveling a character and decide that you love spending a ton of time in battlegrounds and instances, go ahead and do that. You don't HAVE to be 80 just to ENJOY the game. However, I would say that if you declare you HATE the game before you even make it to 80, you really have no right to do so, because what most people even play WoW for starts at 80. But by all means, if you enjoy the older stuff then don't make your leveling experience unenjoyable just because you think 80 is gonna be so much better. You might turn out like me, and end up enjoying leveling characters more than you enjoy playing them at 80. So youre allowed to LIKE WoW if you arent at 80, but you really arent allowed to DISLIKE it if you havent tried an 80 raid or Arena, since thats what the "majority" tend to agree is the best. Hopefully that takes some of the negative spin off of what I've been saying.

It isn't elitist...just just the way the game works. Most of the people are max level so thats what the updates are designed for. Back in the origninal WoW, they released a bunch of stuff for levels 1-60. After a few months, people got to level 60 and then when they added more to do, it was for level 60s. Then BC x-pac came out and it added content for levels 60-70. This original content was again, only good for a few months, and then people beat it all and got to 70. Then, in the lifetime of BC, all the new updates were intended for level 70s. Now its been a year since the new expac has come out, and most of the players are level 80. All of the updates are designed for level 80s now. The point is that if you only play it to level 60-65 or something, everything you have been doing was old stuff that is very underpopulated, and outdated, and is incongruent with the current "philosophy" of the game. It might sound elitest to say "you need to be 80, or else you really havent even played WoW" but it really isn't elitest. Level 80 corresponds to about 2-3 months of leveling, if you dont fiddle-faddle on the way. Do you think it is elitest to say that most Runescape updates should be for people who played more than 2-3 months?

You DIDNT raid. Your post said you were "on your way to 70". This means you didnt actually MAKE IT to 70...is that right? That would mean you didn't play the game at the level cap, which is what 90% of the patches + updates are designed for, people at the level cap. If you didn't make it to 70 (or actually 80 if your WoW game time was in the past year) then you really didn't raid. Perhaps you did some "fooling around" runs of AQ or BF, but if you weren't playing at the level cap, then you missed out on what most of the game design and community updates are intended for. The raid community at level cap is entirely different from any instances/level 60 raids you ran. There is an entirely different focus on progression and its a way different game. The same can be said for "PvP". If you weren't playing at level cap, that means you weren't doing Arenas. You were just doing BGs, which most players will LAUGH at you if you call a Battleground "PvP". Also you could have been referring to duels or killing people of the opposite faction in random places in the world. Neither of these are "PvP" either. The main part of WoW pvp is Arena. You make a team, and you enter either 2v2, 3v3, or 5v5 competition. Basically, its Team Deathmatch. Anyway, every single talent tree of every class is DESIGNED around being "balanced" at level 80, for PvP. If you were "PvPing" prior to the level cap, then I can assure you that you really missed out on what most people even consider PvP. But this is all just assuming you didnt make it to the level cap. If the wording in your post was incorrect then I retract all my statements and im sure elucin8r would retract his also. But really, if you didn't make it to the level cap then you have no valid reason to say that you don't like WoW. The entire game is updated based on the assumption that most people have a character at max level.

Theres a difference between something being truly difficult and something being difficult despite the fact that you know a good strategy. The point of people saying the game has become "too easy" is that any fool can watch a video on boss strategy and then walk in and perform in the raid. Even if I would go through a raid without knowing any strategy, once I did it once the fight would be a piece of cake, and then the only reason to go back would be to farm it for gear. Raiding used to be a really challenging experience that required your full effort no matter how much you knew the strategy. In a lot of the recent raids, as long as you know what color of fire to step out of, when to stop casting, and what kind of large nova to step away from...youll be able to kill most bosses. One thing I can say though is that the recent addition of "Hard mode" content has been a lot nicer than the crapfest that Naxxramas was. In my opinion, all you need is to take the difficulty of these hard modes and make them into the difficulty of the final bosses of raids. Sure, it might mean that for the first month-two there aren't any kills on the last boss of a raid...but whats so bad about that? It would be refreshing to walk into a raid and be unsure about if we would down a certain boss. Also I am aware that many of the problems about WoW are hard/impossible to fix. I'm not saying WoW needs to be fixed. Im just saying that the game kinda sucks.

Yeah...you make a good point equating it to RL. Raids were fun when the main goal was accomplishable by everybody: down the bosses. Now the main goal is to get your lucky drops. Turns it away from a game of skill and turns it into a game of waiting/luck. At least in RS you can put in 100 hours of time and get a ton of exp for your troubles. In WoW you might spend 100 hours raiding and be 50% "geared up". Whats worse is that eventually, the gear you stressed so hard over is going to be worthless when patches come out. Theres just no method of playing the game for an endless ammount of time and actually getting anywhere. RS you can level a bunch of skills and ranks, etc....and more gold is always useful. In WoW you could put 500 hours into the game, then when the next expansion comes around your level 80 is gonna be a noob, his gear is going to be outdated, and his arena rating will be reset to zero for the new season. This would be okay if the game was actually difficult, challenging, or fun to play. But in reality, its just easy and boring. A good MMO should have 1 of 2 things. 1) It should be hard/fun/exciting to play, but there is not an infinite level of "improvement" for your character. or 2) It could be an easier game, but at least the time you spend playing it isn't wasted. WoW has none of this. Getting gear is easy, repetitive, takes a long time, and to make matters worse, you really dont get anywhere. For each raid patch, the gear level is reset now, so its not even like you are grinding 100s of hours for something that will end up being an incredible reward. I dunno...I just dont get it. Same goes for Arenas also. If you have a good composition of classes on your team, youll get a high arena ranking by simply playing arena matches for awhile...you don't even have to be good to gain rating. Then once you gain the rating, the only teams you play against are the ones with a certain type of class make-up. That sure is fun, playing the same teams over and over...

As an 80 priest in a guild with TotC 10 and 25 cleared, I'd like to just back up nerdboy's opinion. I mean, he has no right to what he is saying, because all he has done is level and BG, but he's still able to see that WoW is a borefest. Been playing that game here and there ever since Fall 06. I quit before BC came out because I thought the game sucked. When the new expansion came, I got an email for a free trial. Thought some things seemed more promising after trying it, bought a month, leveled to 80 and started to clear Naxx and quit because of what a joke raiding became. A friend convinced me to start again and I think the current raid content is fun, but still a shadow of what it could be. Also the game has become ridiculously simple. But anyway I'm geared for the final raid of this expansion, Icecrown. The patch is supposed to hit Tuesday, and honestly I can say that if the Icecrown raid does not show significant improvement from the quality of the rest of the content thus far, this will be my last month of WoW. Raiding used to be a fun challenge, but anymore its just a bore task. The bosses are so easy that the only reason people raid is to get gear. It used to be a fun and challenging experience where the gear was just a nice reward, not the main point of the trip. Nowadays people act like you are a noob if you don't have every single piece of your equipment at the current highest raid level. Sorry, but some of us do not find it enjoyable to kill the same bosses every single week and spend 10-15 hours a week in the repetative raid borefest, sitting around and just waiting for your luck to turn out so you get the gear. Also Arenas are completely terrible these days. If you aren't the right class, or one of your friends isnt, then one of you is going to have to make a new character just so your teams can work well in arenas. And last but not least, its so gay how the "Server" system works. I understand that it is how most RPGs work...but I love Runescapes system so much. If I meet someone IRL and find out they play WoW its always like "Oh, you play?? Sweet! Wait...what server?" And then they are on a different server than you, and you can't play together unless you pay 25 dollars for a transfer, or you take a month and level a new character on their server. The whole game is just not very conducive to fun. It can be very addicting and very time consuming....but if you take a moment and just look at your gear and say "Wait....WHY am I about to commit 3 hours of my life to clear this raid again??" Sometimes youll realize that you really arent having any fun at all.