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Only when new evidence arises, in England at least. Unless it is linked to the present conviction. Read Prisoner of Birth, it is a good example of this.

Actually, they both give the same kind of exp. Whip might be 3k or 4k more per hour but not likely. I did test this infact. I hit alot of 60's on Ankou and even if i don't hit 60's i 2-Hit them 80% of the time. With whip 2-hitting ony occurs every now and then.

Looking for some decent money while training Def. I know neither of my two options are the fastest way to train, but both seem to have a decent money:exp ratio. Which one would be the best? I would be using Void, Salve (e)/Fury, BGS. EDIT: I just need to make another 4 Mil to buy back my Slayer Armour. I won't be doint it for too long. Not doing this to max out, just to make some fast money. EDIT2: I am thinking of getting my Ranged from 98 - 99 Purely by doing Kree trips aswell as getting 98 - 99 Attack Purely on Zil (once i get 70 Agility) and Graardor. I would most likely be doing Team, Duo and Trio trips. I'm prety sure we would use CS most of the time but on the rare occasion of using LS i would like my LSP to be at its highest. Whats a good way to gain LSP? **Please not that i cannot do TD's nor Corporal.

You're not serious about the Void i hope. IMO void is better than most armour. Void + Salve Amulet is one of the best combo's ingame. Void + GS at GWD is also pretty Epic.

Best update in a long time. I love the dungeon map update, very handy.

To my knowledge a J Mod varified that Sailing is not a likely skill in Runescape. He himself said sailing is not likely to apear in the time that he is employed. Are you guys always going to assume that wherever something is on the water it must mean sailing? *sees a seagul flying over see, it must mean sailing* Yeah i go with cold war....

Good on you Jagex. Show them cheaters who's Boss. *Laughs at all the idiots who thought they would have they'r macro-ing accounts unbanned* :lol:

Don't talk to gorgoroth about ranging avis...... Anyway why not aim for the 3 champion scroll you can get in the GWD; jorge, imp and goblin? Its a more interesting way of training/camping and has a very impressive reward. Sure the gp and exp isn't the best but its a goal and a interesting thing to do. Hmmm, yeah talking to ma about Aviansies is really stupid. I am well educated when it comes to them. Anyway Joe your idea seems solid. How rare are these scrolls though?

I was thinking of camping there for a bit of money. Well they have pretty decent drops (if you can get a rune kite or rune hally often). Good or bad idea?

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Wow this seems very odd. Most of the Slayers i see use a BGS when Slaying. Now this might either be because its the cheapest GS around or it might be that what you're saying is inaccurate. Have you any personal experience or is your comment based on hearsay? Would a ZGS be a better option? Should i just wait till i can afford a new AGS? (I will not even considder a SGS). And I also see people using DFS because it has higher strength, as well as Fighter torso where defense is required. I've also been called an idiot for using Obby rings, and Ranging pots. Most people who play Runescape have no idea what they're doing, or at least efficiency wise. Yeah i'll have to agree with you here. One of the morons on my Freindslits and i had a rather big arguement about this today. Something which i like to call "Caveman Training". This is when you do "go with the flow" training. Not doing it efficiently, just doing it the way everyone else does. Bandits will be my best example. For some while they might have been the best training method but now they suck. They truely suck. These people are affriad to experiment with a different way of training. They believe that their way is the best way coz its the way Zezima used. What they don't realise is that the game gets updated, things get easier, methids get outdated. Training with a DFS is very stupid unless you train with 10% Atk prayer. Anyway, getting this BGS will encourage me to go do some Bandos Solo's/Duo's again. This will also be a method of getting rid of some junk and making money on the side. The soul perpose is not just slayer, but it will be a big purpose (Black Bemond, Waterfiends Maybe, Etc.) So keeping that in mind, will it be a wise coice?

Ankou should be good at your level.

Wow this seems very odd. Most of the Slayers i see use a BGS when Slaying. Now this might either be because its the cheapest GS around or it might be that what you're saying is inaccurate. Have you any personal experience or is your comment based on hearsay? Would a ZGS be a better option? Should i just wait till i can afford a new AGS? (I will not even considder a SGS). imo sgs is the only one worth using in pvm and whip + defender is the best for slayer and jsut cause alot of people use it doesn't mean its better alot of people use dragons doesn't make it superior to bandos. I'll never waste money on a SGS again. The hits are useless even at 90Atk and 99Str and the specs are worthless.

Wow this seems very odd. Most of the Slayers i see use a BGS when Slaying. Now this might either be because its the cheapest GS around or it might be that what you're saying is inaccurate. Have you any personal experience or is your comment based on hearsay? Would a ZGS be a better option? Should i just wait till i can afford a new AGS? (I will not even considder a SGS).

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I've never really used a BGS for Slayer. I usually used my AGS or SGS if i had to. Simple Question, is a BGS good enough for Slayer? I almost have the funds to buy one again.

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Well, now I'm seeing something that bothers me. My argument is NOT that high levels dont deserve any updates, my argument is saying that jagex isnt doing anything wrong by making a level 78 slayer monster. I agree 100% that they should release new high level content, it adds dynamic to the game, and gives goals and fun extra's to play. My argument is solely about this update, and dragging anything but this update into your counter-argument doesnt make sense, but feel free to vent, I just dont consider it valid when talking about the release of a level 78 slayer monster, and talking about no new high level releases in general. I'm talking more about the slayer debate than high level content debate. again I agree whole heartedly- Jagex SHOULD be releasing game content to higher levels too, and not just catering to the hungry masses. But the point is that they ARENT doing what they SHOULD. But nor are they doing anything particularly wrong, they have stated that they are working on higher level content, but unfortunately this is the year of upgrades, not content, so dont expect much this year. but again, this isnt so much about slayer. Slayer isnt the largest skill, and in my eyes any addition is welcome. 78 is high, and they arent so much rewarding level 78 slayers, as just adding a new monster, the fact that so many people have that slayer level means that it will be a well recieved and used update- thus happy customers getting something new. Acting like a noob is horrible for your case man. You expect people to take you seriously now? But anyways, you should continue this debate by all means. It should be fun. Those 30-85 leveled players already have tons of material available to them and they have so much to look forward to, and in such a small xp span. High levels work harder and yet they have nothing to look forward to in such a large xp span. It makes absolutely no sense. This isn't a matter of low levels quitting if Jagex didn't release a 78 slayer monster. In fact, I'd say quite the opposite. Low levels have tons to do already so why should you be worried about losing them? High levels are the ones with no new material, so I would say that they are the group that is more likely to have quitters. Oh yeah and I'd like to use myself as an example... 2100 Total, nothing really new or exciting about RS in my eyes anymore. So I decided to play console games instead. Jagex isn't only a business. They are a gaming company too and as such they should provide a game that is fun for everyone - not just a portion of the customers. High levels are paying customers too and their population increases overtime, except for the ones who quit (which is probably because of lack of high leveled updates anyways :-w :-w ). It doesn't make sense in a video game to have the harder workers get the same treatment as people who don't work as hard. Especially when you take into account all the xp they gained over the people with 78 Slayer. call it noob like if you wish, but acting unreasonable about a release that A- hasnt happened yet, and B- doesnt hurt you in any way; you still get new content, is very frustrating and annoying, and honestly seems pretty 'noob-like' to me. Be bigger than that, if you're getting bored of runescape, take a break, wait until there's tons of new stuff for you to do, it sounds like you've plateaued(sp) and are getting frustrated by it. another good point, which I agree with for the most part. its true that level 30-85 generally wouldnt have a slayer level as high as 78. which is why 78 is a considerably high slayer level. the majority of runescapes player base DOES NOT have 78 slayer, thus it is a fairly high level content release. and as for Jagex slacking in their releases and being generally sloppy and slow- yes I agree 100%, they arent doing a very good job. again this is straying from the discussion of a level 78 slayer monster- Jagex does occasionally make high level content releases, and I enjoy them too. No they dont make enough. Yes they usually take the more money road and release lower level content to feed to the masses, rather than high level content to appease their long time loyal and high level players. I'm not saying that jagex follows this rule for EVERY release, I'm only telling you the reasoning behind THIS release. it is still high level whether you'll accept it or not, but it also appeals to a large quantity of the player base. Yeah my numbers probably are off, I'm pulling them clear out of estimates, and for guessing 10,000 90+ slayers when the real number is 18,614- I'd say i did half decent. the fact remains that this release is a publicity stunt, and they are targetting as much of their effective profit source as possible. The same thing happened with the pheonix- publicity stunt, they gave the players a fun little poll to choose a familiar, the phoenix is level 72 i believe? nobody complained that IT was too low level a release, though they did complain that the pheonix is pretty useless. All i have to say here, is that before i had a godsword and after i had a godsword were very different things. Thinking about how fun a godsword would be, and having the goal to get the money for one and working for it- was entertaining. Actually having the godsword? MUCH more entertaining that just hoping for one. yes, lower levels can set a goal to reach the new monster- does that make it satisfying content? hell no. does that give them a meaningful release? No it does not. the fact remains that more people can USE this update than not, and that's what jagex wants. If they planned a slayer release that didnt involve players choosing things, then they'd probably release higher level content, not to mention more content all around. sofar everytime a release has been from a poll, its been relatively low level. Why? because then the majority of the people who voted (levels 30-85) actually get to use it! or at least are close to using it. I'm sure that there are plenty of people who are mad about this release because they wont be the only ones able to use it. sorry if you were offended, but I'm trying to address as many angles on this as I can, but I'm starting to see why people are so mad about it, and its not about the drops, so my bad on that comment. as far as i can tell, people are mad at jagex for the lack of high level releases in general, and this makes sense, but bashing every single small release wont help. i'm not sure how many people play runescape, but lets say its between 1-10 million, so~190,000 people out of a few million can use this update- that equates to anywhere between 20-2% of the player population, i'd say that it isnt too common. and 1.5 million experience isnt easy to get. nor is it easy to get 10 times over to reach level 99, but the fact remains that 1.5 million experience is hard to get (not to mention the increased exp rates in every skill as you get closer to 99 ;) ) So hopefully that clears up my side of this- I'm not talking about ALL high level content and the lack of releases. I'm talking about this release in particular, and why its fine that it's a level 78 release. YES a level 87/88/91-99 slayer monster is needed, does it have to be this one? No. This monster is a public option, and seeing as jagex is including the players in the creation (or at least naming) of this monster, they're going to want as many people as possible to be able to use it. the fact still remains that this monster will be the new strongest monster in the slayer dungeon, and will have a new unique drop, and is still relatively high leveled. If you're sore about the lack of high level content, thats fine, and totally justified, but dont drag down this specific update- because its fine how it is. Good Damn! :o

Look in my sig at the aviansie guide if youre looking to do it on a fun way. Otherwise alching or humidifying is good.

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AGS is brilliat for Slayer tbh. Sure SGS restores Prayer and HP but i found the hits really bad. AGS hits high more often, Spec is a bit better and more usefull when it gets to higher level Monsters such as Black Demons

Rofl.... Why would you just want to give a name when you can write a whole essay on your dissapointment in Jagex? Anyway to be honest this is the way i see it. Most players have slayer levels between 55 and 60. Most people never even think f getting to 83 and above for the sole reason that it takes ages because its the slowest skill to train. Releasing a "lower" leveled Slayer Monster would would give alot of other players the right motivation needed to train their Slayer (assuming the minster has decent drops. And i am assuming this monster would be dropping alot of Water Runes, Water Staves, Water Orbs, etc.) The way i see it Jagex made the right move on making a lower Slayer monster. They cater for the minority. Try to change they minority into a majarity and then cater for them. With this in mind Jagex is only going to recieve a few thoudand rants from the players with high Slayer levels saying that they wanted a higher Leveld monster. Now on the other hand they would have recieved a good 50 thousand rants (if not more) from every player with a lower Slayer level saying that they wished they would get something new to slay. Would you rather have 50k rants or 1k? Quite logic isnt it. And then we get back to the part about turning a minority into a majority. Lower slayer monster would increase the ammount of people returning to slayer. This would increase they ammount of people with higher Slayer Levels. This would encourage Jagex to release some higher level content. Its alway better to please the majority rather than they minirity. Rather loose the money of 1000 slayer than they money of 50 000. I hope this makes sense. As for a name. I am really not creative enough to come up with one but am hoping it has something to do with Aqua. Brilliant logic. 50,000 players will quit if Jagex releases a high level slayer monster? Low levels have enough motivation to play this game. If a high level slayer monster is released, EVERYONE benefits. High levels get to break out their slayer helmets once again, and lower levels are inspired to work harder to get there. More players will quit because of low level updates than low levels will quit because of high level updates. Either way, not many players will quit at all... certainly not your ridiculous number of 50,000. By your logic, no high level updates should ever be released. Awww someone seems a bit upset by the update. If you had taken more than 4 second to read what i said then you would realise the logic behind it. I said its always better to satisfy the majority. The majprity has low-idh slayer levels (like myself). Do you really think a player with 60 Slayer would be at all inspired to get 95 Slayer for a new monster when he failed to get even 85 or as low as 83 for a current monster? now now, were is the logic in that? :shame: And i never said anything about quiting. I just said that they might lose interrest in being a member and become f2P.Why pay for something you cant use? Why pay for something that will take you ages to unlock? now that there is another lower level monster more players will get back to slaying. More members will get high slayer levels. Less players will complain next time a high level slayer monster is released. It all works out in the end. Higher players are just going to have to hold out a little longer.

In that case, Why not upgrade your SgS For a AGS?