Romy

Read back and tell me and yourself why you argue for that.

It's irrelevant. For example, a gay couple could live in an area near I live that's largely immigrant based (more conservative in general) I doubt they'd be in physical danger but they'd still be hated. The point I'm trying to make is it's unlikely a gay couple could find any location where no one whatsoever would be biased against them. But that's a problem with homophobia as it is with racism. Would you say Jews shouldn't adopt out of fear of hatred for their children? (And racism exists, by the ton.) When did I say anything like that? That's what the argument is all about, isn't it? That gays are hated by many people, and thus their children will have tough lives?

It's irrelevant. For example, a gay couple could live in an area near I live that's largely immigrant based (more conservative in general) I doubt they'd be in physical danger but they'd still be hated. The point I'm trying to make is it's unlikely a gay couple could find any location where no one whatsoever would be biased against them. But that's a problem with homophobia as it is with racism. Would you say Jews shouldn't adopt out of fear of hatred for their children? (And racism exists, by the ton.)

You live in Israel. I'm not hated inside Israel though. And I doubt there's 1 country in the world that isn't hated by some people. I'm sure a gay person won't be hated inside their own house, but outside they may be. My point is that you put up with a certain amount of hate in your general area, and homosexuals are no different. But hatred towards Israel does not affect me, Romy, as a person. Just like hatred from California to NY doesn't affect the specific individuals (as individuals) of NY. I'd say it does. I don't hate gay people. But if I did, I'd hate gay people, not the individual. I'd hate them because they are lumped into a group of "gay people" who I hate. I'm sure the terrorists lobbing missiles into Israel don't hate Romy - but Romy is Jewish, so they hate you. That specific example is kind of off, because in my city it's safe. But really, that analogy doesn't make much sense, simply because there are areas in which gays aren't socially discriminated against, which also accounts for emotional/physical danger. And that's exactly my point.

You live in Israel. I'm not hated inside Israel though. And I doubt there's 1 country in the world that isn't hated by some people. I'm sure a gay person won't be hated inside their own house, but outside they may be. My point is that you put up with a certain amount of hate in your general area, and homosexuals are no different. But hatred towards Israel does not affect me, Romy, as a person. Just like hatred from California to NY doesn't affect the specific individuals (as individuals) of NY.

You live in Israel. I'm not hated inside Israel though. And I doubt there's 1 country in the world that isn't hated by some people.

Should black parents not be allowed to adopt a white child? That could cause confusion in other students because of the difference in races. Maybe the kid could explain to others that their family is just like everyone elses. Link in the OP, http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/06/07/lesbian.children.adjustment/index.html , studies have shown that children of lesbians tend to have fewer behavioral problems. So for someone to have two mommies might even be better off than someone with heterosexual parents. Would children with no parents, stuck in the orphanage because they weren't allowed to go with the gay couple, be better off? You're literally saying that a child with no parents should continue to have no parents because you don't agree with certain lifestyles. Maybe the child can learn that having two parents of the same sex is okay, they're as good of a family as any other. I've known Caucasian / black students adopted by Asian parents throughout elementary, middle, and high school. We never treated them any different at all. In most communities today, race is no longer treated as a big issue, and in fact,, I didn't even really acknowledge people of other races were different from myself for a while. This is what I meant by current state. Let's rewind to within the year after the Civil War ended. Would I allow black parents to adopt a white child? I would strongly suggest against this too. The wounds would simply be too raw at this point, and it'll create more tension among both parties and in the life of the child. I never said that the children would be worse or better off. I'm not surprised that there's a correlation between good behavior and homosexual parents. But that doesn't change the fact that homosexual is still seen as "strange" in the eyes of many people, and thus in many kids. I've seen kids bullied for various mental or physical defections and to kids who don't understand homosexuality and who are taught differently by their parents, it would seem the children will experience a more challenging childhood. Are they better for it? Maybe. Correlation is not causation. But is it more trying? Logically, yes. And from narratives by those who grew up in those conditions, yes. It has nothing to do with whether I agree or disagree with their life style. It has to do with the fact that I don't think a student should have to deal with all the negative feelings surrounding homosexuals (whether or not these feelings are warranted - I don't feel they are at all, but you can't force people to think differently), and yes, I realize remaining in an orphanage is also a similarly trying lifestyle but I'm not ready to believe that being adopted with gay parents isn't worse. Especially in communities where gays are still openly rejected (such as states that still fight against gay marriage). You suggest having no parents at all is better than having gay/lesbian parents? No, he's suggesting that having no parents at all is easier from a social standpoint a lot of the time. Of course it's better from other standpoints to have parents. [/hide] But do you really think that a gay couple would live in an area where they would be discriminated against? I realize that economic restrictions can prevent a person from moving, but most people wouldn't stay in a place that could endanger them. It would depends on whether the benefits of living there outweighs the risk fo being discriminated against. There are more factors than money and discrimination to be taken into account. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of reasonable people wouldn't stay where they're hated. All it takes is common sense, really.

Noticed that too. I can see it on the regular TIF skin. I can't. What browser are you guys using? Chrome here. Firefox here. I tried IE and saw no bold.

I can see it on the regular TIF skin.

I wouldn't tell her that. That's a lot like saying she's just not smart enough to be with you. Just do it gentely, try to hurt her as little as possible, tell her it's just going to be hard to keep long-distant relationship, something around those lines. That's what I have been saying but she feels like if I like her enough the distance shouldn't matter. Therefore I have to have a specific reason why I basically am not willing to put in the effort to maintain a long term long distance relationship which is where I'm stuck at. You should probably tie in lots of "small" reasons. Like, it's a long distance, I'd rather not be tied down, we don't share the same interests. Work it out.

I r hates soccer. 0/10. Sorry.

[hide] Should black parents not be allowed to adopt a white child? That could cause confusion in other students because of the difference in races. Maybe the kid could explain to others that their family is just like everyone elses. Link in the OP, http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/06/07/lesbian.children.adjustment/index.html , studies have shown that children of lesbians tend to have fewer behavioral problems. So for someone to have two mommies might even be better off than someone with heterosexual parents. Would children with no parents, stuck in the orphanage because they weren't allowed to go with the gay couple, be better off? You're literally saying that a child with no parents should continue to have no parents because you don't agree with certain lifestyles. Maybe the child can learn that having two parents of the same sex is okay, they're as good of a family as any other. I've known Caucasian / black students adopted by Asian parents throughout elementary, middle, and high school. We never treated them any different at all. In most communities today, race is no longer treated as a big issue, and in fact,, I didn't even really acknowledge people of other races were different from myself for a while. This is what I meant by current state. Let's rewind to within the year after the Civil War ended. Would I allow black parents to adopt a white child? I would strongly suggest against this too. The wounds would simply be too raw at this point, and it'll create more tension among both parties and in the life of the child. I never said that the children would be worse or better off. I'm not surprised that there's a correlation between good behavior and homosexual parents. But that doesn't change the fact that homosexual is still seen as "strange" in the eyes of many people, and thus in many kids. I've seen kids bullied for various mental or physical defections and to kids who don't understand homosexuality and who are taught differently by their parents, it would seem the children will experience a more challenging childhood. Are they better for it? Maybe. Correlation is not causation. But is it more trying? Logically, yes. And from narratives by those who grew up in those conditions, yes. It has nothing to do with whether I agree or disagree with their life style. It has to do with the fact that I don't think a student should have to deal with all the negative feelings surrounding homosexuals (whether or not these feelings are warranted - I don't feel they are at all, but you can't force people to think differently), and yes, I realize remaining in an orphanage is also a similarly trying lifestyle but I'm not ready to believe that being adopted with gay parents isn't worse. Especially in communities where gays are still openly rejected (such as states that still fight against gay marriage). You suggest having no parents at all is better than having gay/lesbian parents? No, he's suggesting that having no parents at all is easier from a social standpoint a lot of the time. Of course it's better from other standpoints to have parents. [/hide] In that case, adoption shouldn't be disallowed for gays.

I wouldn't tell her that. That's a lot like saying she's just not smart enough to be with you. Just do it gentely, try to hurt her as little as possible, tell her it's just going to be hard to keep long-distant relationship, something around those lines.

Should black parents not be allowed to adopt a white child? That could cause confusion in other students because of the difference in races. Maybe the kid could explain to others that their family is just like everyone elses. Link in the OP, http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/06/07/lesbian.children.adjustment/index.html , studies have shown that children of lesbians tend to have fewer behavioral problems. So for someone to have two mommies might even be better off than someone with heterosexual parents. Would children with no parents, stuck in the orphanage because they weren't allowed to go with the gay couple, be better off? You're literally saying that a child with no parents should continue to have no parents because you don't agree with certain lifestyles. Maybe the child can learn that having two parents of the same sex is okay, they're as good of a family as any other. I've known Caucasian / black students adopted by Asian parents throughout elementary, middle, and high school. We never treated them any different at all. In most communities today, race is no longer treated as a big issue, and in fact,, I didn't even really acknowledge people of other races were different from myself for a while. This is what I meant by current state. Let's rewind to within the year after the Civil War ended. Would I allow black parents to adopt a white child? I would strongly suggest against this too. The wounds would simply be too raw at this point, and it'll create more tension among both parties and in the life of the child. I never said that the children would be worse or better off. I'm not surprised that there's a correlation between good behavior and homosexual parents. But that doesn't change the fact that homosexual is still seen as "strange" in the eyes of many people, and thus in many kids. I've seen kids bullied for various mental or physical defections and to kids who don't understand homosexuality and who are taught differently by their parents, it would seem the children will experience a more challenging childhood. Are they better for it? Maybe. Correlation is not causation. But is it more trying? Logically, yes. And from narratives by those who grew up in those conditions, yes. It has nothing to do with whether I agree or disagree with their life style. It has to do with the fact that I don't think a student should have to deal with all the negative feelings surrounding homosexuals (whether or not these feelings are warranted - I don't feel they are at all, but you can't force people to think differently), and yes, I realize remaining in an orphanage is also a similarly trying lifestyle but I'm not ready to believe that being adopted with gay parents isn't worse. Especially in communities where gays are still openly rejected (such as states that still fight against gay marriage). You suggest having no parents at all is better than having gay/lesbian parents?

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Why should you be able to adopt? Edit: Also, I realize now that this looks like I may be calling you gay. That's not how I'm meaning it. =) I'm pretty sure he said that sarcastically.

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Guys, don't worry, there are still 4 days left. I can tell him to change the sig if I find a better one. ;)

Made my decision: Das will be having this one Thursday to Sunday.

That's awesome! Lol! Yeah, but religious references are against signature rules ;) It should be changed this instant!

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/06/03/lifting-us-gay-blood-donation-ban-could-add-219000-pints-a-year/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVwjCppq82c&feature=player_embedded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PooEhBxh0NY&feature=player_embedded I hope these make any sense to some of you.

That's awesome! Lol!

http://www.ranker.com/list/8-things-gay-people-can_t-do/cdu827# Most of it is nothing new, but it pissed me off quite a bit.