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I agree. Interdependence, having to rely on personal skills, it's all coming back. I hope they'll make more of those content like the the dungeoneering bit, I kinda like the adventure feel. RS itself can have an adventure feel, dungeoneering just sets a goal for you. RS itself can only have an adventure feel when you just began playing. Unless you're a very imaginative person or something. Most people don't think RS have an adventure feel past the first few months of playing, especially in F2P. Much of RS is just grinding, and not adventure. Have you even tried high-level quests? High-level quests only allow you to get a break from the perpetual grinding for a while. And how do you even get access to those high-level quests? Grind, grind, grind and grind more.

So what does that make you? Some idiot who's trying to act superior by not taking sides and insulting everyone? Stop making posts like this to boost your ego, by classifying everyone as idiots and then sitting on the fence sneering at them. --------- And your definition of "valid" is biased. In fact, everyone's definition is. But no one's going to respect your opinion if you're going to make stupid posts like that.

SOME PEOPLE have things to do other than play the computer all the time. Though you're clearly not in that category. Just because you like something doesn't mean you can and will do it all the time. Who doesn't like a vacation? But who has the money to go on a vacation every month?

Wat. *points to location* Lol. Pwned. :P

Just tell those people: "Congratulations on getting your life dictated by what others think." Does it really matter that much whether some idiots halfway around the world e-respect you or not? More important is your own feelings on it. Let me clarify with an analogy: People often attack others for having "no life" or a "sad life" if they don't listen to pop songs/rock/whatever is popular, drawing more people into that group, just to be "accepted" into society/social circles. I find it ridiculous. Why should you have your life dictated by what the majority is doing or what is considered "in" at the moment? Let alone try and attack others about their own opinions/choices of musics. In fact, I think is those people who have no life - they're merely puppets swinging in whichever direction the master (the majority) moves them in. I mean, it's all right if you genuinely like pop songs/whatever, but if you pretend to "like" them just to be accepted, then that's idiotic. Have your own will, your own mind, seriously. It doesn't matter whether some idiots e-respect you more for doing X than Y.

Hmm.......I grabbed my globe, and from what it looks like on there, about 80% of China is included in Southeast Asia. And looks like about 80% of Southeast Asia is also China. This is of course assuming that Asia is roughly between 45 E and 135 E, and between 15 N and 75 N. So if you take the midpoint of there, then anything down and to the right of the intersection of 45 N and 90 E would be Southeast Asia. So it appears you are correct by default, because most of Southeast Asia is China, then it follows that a majority of sweatshops would be in China and thus Southeast Asia. The only problem that I can see with your assumption is that china as pretty much IP banned the entire West (West meaning everything west of Greenwich England and East of the International Dateline, since it appears you are a bit fuzzy on your directions). So, China having blocked most of the West, this could potentially make it difficult to accest a western site such as Runescape, because the government of the country you are in is blocking that site........ Perhaps you should look into buying yourself a globe, to answer all such orienteering questions as you must be having. Wow...I'm left stunned and thinking you completely flunked your Geography. Your whole first paragraph is COMPLETE [cabbage]. Go and do some research before thinking you're so smart because you know how to look at a globe. Southeast Asia is far from your absurd definition. China banned the entire West? China simply has tight controls over the internet, with strict censorship. That is far from "pretty much IP banned the entire West". And you still have the impudence to try and insult my Geographical knowledge when saying your geographical knowledge is fuzzy is a ridiculous understatement. Perhaps you should stop acting all mighty and superior just because you have an overly high opinion of your globe-reading skills. Geography isn't just about reading maps, in case you lack the intellectual capacity to understand.

How the hell are you supposed to "gradually" release a new skill, for example? 22 May 2010: NEW SKILL!!! The thumbnail is now present in your skill list! 29 May 2010: You can now do the quest for access, but no content is available yet. 4 June 2010: You can now train to level 5! You now have access to (insert basic action/item)! 11 June 2010: You can now train to level 15! You now have access to ... ... So on and so forth. Seriously? How idiotic is that? Lmao That's not what I meant. Skills should just be one fell swoop and into the games, but when they make other changes that aren't just one giant single item, I'd prefer them gradually. Not that that's practical though :mellow: Monthly updates like new monsters and stuff will start getting repetitive, and Jagex won't have enough time to insert originality into updates. That's precisely what made Jagex stop committing to weekly updates and such - they didn't want overly tight deadlines to affect the quality of updates.

I agree. Interdependence, having to rely on personal skills, it's all coming back. I hope they'll make more of those content like the the dungeoneering bit, I kinda like the adventure feel. RS itself can have an adventure feel, dungeoneering just sets a goal for you. RS itself can only have an adventure feel when you just began playing. Unless you're a very imaginative person or something. Most people don't think RS have an adventure feel past the first few months of playing, especially in F2P. Much of RS is just grinding, and not adventure.

Use free xp. Like ToG. That requires all my other stats to be higher - cons, which I hate to death, and dungeoneering, a [cabbage] skill, and farming which just takes forever. I find it ridiculous that you're insulting skills you've never even trained. Do you think looking at other's experiences or stuff like that is good enough for you to draw an accurate conclusion of whether the skill is boring for you? Seriously, give them a try with an open mind, and you might find they're very different from what you thought they were. I'm not saying your opinion is invalid; everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but without even trying the skills you say they suck? I just find that absurd. Ignore this if you've tried the skills and trained them to a quite high level in other accounts.

How the hell are you supposed to "gradually" release a new skill, for example? 22 May 2010: NEW SKILL!!! The thumbnail is now present in your skill list! 29 May 2010: You can now do the quest for access, but no content is available yet. 4 June 2010: You can now train to level 5! You now have access to (insert basic action/item)! 11 June 2010: You can now train to level 15! You now have access to ... ... So on and so forth. Seriously? How idiotic is that?

You're getting less money than you lose in castle wars........... People are willing to "waste" money on clan wars games. Seriously, what is the point of having gp in a game if you don't spend it to relax, to have fun? Must you always be counting all the gp, to ensure a profit in whatever activity you do? If you're playing RS like that, you might as well "play" real life.

I don't think we need to give the so-called "old school" players an opportunity to show off their status. Take a look around the forums and you can easily see a bunch of "old school" people claiming their superiority over those who joined RS at a later date. Does it really matter that much WHEN you started playing? Personally, I find being an "old school" player a ridiculous reason to boast.

WOW - I really have to quote this for the idiocy of it. A less complex game engine will eventually evolve into a complex one as it gets more and more updates. So it's ridiculous to think that you can just "reset" the game engine into something simpler without having to remove many of the updates.

Quite true. What with all this flaming of ancient-ers - look - the rest of the RuneScape world is being dominated by melee. Just as badly.

I can empathise. I guess it's inevitable in any society/community. There will always be people forming their own "gangs" or whatever you wish to term them, and attacking those who are different from them. And not just different as in a physical/psychological difference. They can make their own arbitrary difference and use it as a basis on which to ostracise you. Like whether you're their "friends" or not, though as far as I can see you're far more "friend-worthy" then those people.

Yes, skillers are currently dominating the dungeons while the combat-oriented people suffer. <_<

No straw poll is really supposed to have any statistically significant results anyway.

No offence, but that's just [developmentally delayed]ED. Sorry for using caps, but seriously, what you're saying is just complete [cabbage]. 1. Sweatshops aren't even concentrated in Southeast Asia. They are mostly in China. 2. IP banning a whole region is just ridiculous. It clearly shows just how much thought (or the lack thereof) went into your statements. Is that FAIR to the people living there and playing RuneScape? It's plain absurd to black out a region just because many illegal activities occur there. By your logic the US should also be blacklisted worldwide since violent crimes are widespread there. Seriously, of all the idiotic solutions I've seen, this one completely beats the lot of them. ------------- And Polo2340, your speculations are really absurd IMHO. About the game becoming easier - all MMOs become "easier" as time passes. It's inevitable. It's necessary to keep the game fresh, to keep it alive. Your points about Mark Gerhard are just speculations mixed with your opinion, both of which I find ridiculous. The updates being made to "waste time"? For goodness's sake, has a commercial company ever "wasted time" and not made money? Seriously. Those updates actually made the game more aesthetically appealing and smoother to play. They make the gameplay experience a better one for players. Admittedly some were purely aesthetic and not exactly very beneficial to the gameplay experience, but still, how much time does it take to change a cursor's look? An hour at the very most? Your point about HP and Dungeoneering making RuneScape seem more like other MMOs. Honestly, RuneScape is still a very unique game to me. The HP system doesn't remind me of other games at all (though I could be biased since I haven't played many MMOs). I'd agree with you if the hits became huge splats/digits floating around the character, but that's just impossible with the current engine. Dungeoneering - It's merely a small part of RuneScape! 1 in like 25 skills or so. Yes, it is not the most original of ideas, but it's fun and new to RS. There's still SO MUCH in RuneScape that doesn't resemble other MMOs in any way. The crap about Jagex needing money and the game being sold to Microsoft or blizzard...that's pure speculation. And absurd at that, IMHO. Adverts in games, aesthetically appealing main page - those are just updates to make the game more appealing to (new) players, to earn MORE money. Face it - people are perpetually greedy, and if you think you can earn more cash with an update, seriously, why not? And the point about the game being sold to Microsoft or Blizzard - those are just rumours. As you said, similar to the rumours on sailing. Hyped up load of crap with no real evidence behind them. There's a Chinese saying "a 100 rumours/pieces of news can't compare to a single sight/experience". You are far too focused on what you are actually seeing. I'm just being open minded and predicting what RS is coming to and what Mark Gherard thinks etc. And I have always thought that Runescape would have to get easier as long as it is updated. I'm sure Jagex didn't come up with ivy expecting it to have the effect that it did. And players are always more creative than Jagex would expect and come up with efficient leveling, faster money, etc. than Jagex can realize. I think I mentioned this before but basically I can see how modifying a game that you don't really play would be hard; you don't see them from the same perspective. When I mentioned Jagex/Mod Mark trying to make RS seem like other games I wasn't suggesting that Runescape is already losing it's originality. I am, once again, being open minded and just thinking about what this could mean/lead to. And I don't want to take you're words the wrong way but it sounded to me like you were sort of trying to tell me why I was wrong about Runescape being sold. I don't think It will MOST LIKELY be sold or anything like that, I just think it is POSSIBLE based on my reasoning. Also, I said that rumors within the Runescape community are likely partially or completely wrong for a reason. I really believe exactly what you do, that there is no true indication that RS will be sold, I just am open to the idea that it could be. Obviously the thought of Jagex making Runescape more appealing is going around. And about that, I realize that it is realistic for every person/company to get greedy or try to make as much money as possible. I just noticed that it never appeared that way while Andrew Gower was CEO. Well of course Andrew wanted to make income to run the game as well as some profit, but he didn't put fancy banners and a "hot" homepage. It was just Runescape-like, just like the graphics were: simplistic but original. Though I was mentioning this to my friend in real life, and he pointed out that Andrew Gower is still the owner of Jagex, which means he could just fire Mark. I am being open minded so him pointing this out just makes it more interesting. Who knows what is the truth it's just some ideas/theories. Maybe Mark has a certain type of contract or deal so that he is guaranteed work for a certain amount of time? I haven't a clue to be honest. Tell me what you think. And sorry for making it sound like I was convinced these theories were right. Some of them I do see as likely or highly possible, but they are still just ideas in the end. So I hope that clears things up a little bit. Thanks for clarifying. Sorry for sounding a bit harsh there, but I'm rather desensitised to it since most people here are spouting complete nonsense most of the time. Interesting point about Jagex not being able to see the game from the same perspective as players who play it much longer. But naturally, Jagex does have a better position to judge some aspects of the game, e.g. finance and such. Of course, in terms of gameplay, even rigourous playtesters don't play as much as many players, which is why Jagex often releases huge updates in a few phases, e.g. Summoning and Dungeoneering. I feel that some of the changes that are being made are purely coincidental. I've never really noticed it, but maybe it's because I rarely play RuneScape nowadays. I think that some of the changes to the main page could be positive. From my point of view, it seems that perhaps a fresh perspective (of Mark Gerhard) could allow Jagex to look at RuneScape in a different way. It's probably not about Mark's personal views. Maybe Andrew has been CEO for so long he didn't really think of looking from such a perspective - that rather simple "beautifying" updates could draw in more players, and when Mark came in he noticed the graphics weren't exactly "beautiful".

Your analysis of the poll is clearly biased. Just because people prefer another idea doesn't mean they don't like Dungeoneering, just that they like something else better. It might or might not mean they hate dungeoneering. ------- I partially agree with your last point, in that Jagex shouldn't have 'forced' people to have to train Dungeoneering approximately 8 times as much as other skills. But it's quite contradicting if you're aiming to get so much EXP in some other skills, and you claim you have a life. No one's forcing you to get 200M exp in Attack and get into the top ranks of RuneScape's hiscores, similarly, no one's forcing you to train Dungeoneering. @Qeltar: What you term as 'bogus' arguments is completely subjective. Whether you care or not, many people also term your arguments as 'bogus' arguments. And I find it rather ironic that you claim polls are an effective measure of the popularity of an update when you say that 90% of the community are undemanding and overly easy to please.

I like it. Anyway the Debates forums were full of crap that mostly didn't have a semblance to a proper debate topic. But bugs in General Discussion? Wouldn't any information about bugs that could save players lots of time/money be crowded out by the numerous other threads there?

I call BS - what are they going to borrow, your rune scimitar? Actually, in my case it would be longsword, but yeah. And any rares you may have, anything they see that they want and don't have, regardless of whether it is possible or not. I'm pretty sure you've also been harassed verbally too, when you let your private chat be "on". They're always idiots who derive some ridiculous form of enjoyment from verbally attacking people, and if you know you're the explosive type, then why not just take preventive measures to make sure you don't get your mood spoiled by some idiot halfway across the world?

Then why bother getting 99s? You can get the exact playing experience described out of runescape, you just have to play it the right way. Simple - it's addictive. It's very easy to get drawn into the trap of grinding for 99s. Unless you were always a casual gamer, then you'll definitely get drawn into the vortex of grinding sooner or later.

It's not just the ridiculous factual error - it's how stupid and unethical it is to ban a whole region just because there are many criminals there. Let's ban the US too, since there are lots of violent crimes occurring there! Seriously.

No offence, but that's just [developmentally delayed]ED. Sorry for using caps, but seriously, what you're saying is just complete [cabbage]. 1. Sweatshops aren't even concentrated in Southeast Asia. They are mostly in China. 2. IP banning a whole region is just ridiculous. It clearly shows just how much thought (or the lack thereof) went into your statements. Is that FAIR to the people living there and playing RuneScape? It's plain absurd to black out a region just because many illegal activities occur there. By your logic the US should also be blacklisted worldwide since violent crimes are widespread there. Seriously, of all the idiotic solutions I've seen, this one completely beats the lot of them. ------------- And Polo2340, your speculations are really absurd IMHO. About the game becoming easier - all MMOs become "easier" as time passes. It's inevitable. It's necessary to keep the game fresh, to keep it alive. Your points about Mark Gerhard are just speculations mixed with your opinion, both of which I find ridiculous. The updates being made to "waste time"? For goodness's sake, has a commercial company ever "wasted time" and not made money? Seriously. Those updates actually made the game more aesthetically appealing and smoother to play. They make the gameplay experience a better one for players. Admittedly some were purely aesthetic and not exactly very beneficial to the gameplay experience, but still, how much time does it take to change a cursor's look? An hour at the very most? Your point about HP and Dungeoneering making RuneScape seem more like other MMOs. Honestly, RuneScape is still a very unique game to me. The HP system doesn't remind me of other games at all (though I could be biased since I haven't played many MMOs). I'd agree with you if the hits became huge splats/digits floating around the character, but that's just impossible with the current engine. Dungeoneering - It's merely a small part of RuneScape! 1 in like 25 skills or so. Yes, it is not the most original of ideas, but it's fun and new to RS. There's still SO MUCH in RuneScape that doesn't resemble other MMOs in any way. The crap about Jagex needing money and the game being sold to Microsoft or blizzard...that's pure speculation. And absurd at that, IMHO. Adverts in games, aesthetically appealing main page - those are just updates to make the game more appealing to (new) players, to earn MORE money. Face it - people are perpetually greedy, and if you think you can earn more cash with an update, seriously, why not? And the point about the game being sold to Microsoft or Blizzard - those are just rumours. As you said, similar to the rumours on sailing. Hyped up load of crap with no real evidence behind them. There's a Chinese saying "a 100 rumours/pieces of news can't compare to a single sight/experience".

Ignorance running three years strong. Usual talking points by people who still don't understand at the faintest distance the progression of events that lead to the 07 updates. Problem was stolen credit cards. Change the way you sell membership and this isn't a problem. e.g. sell membership cards at bestbuy or walmart. Problem solved. Jagex was more concerned about their pocket book than the game. They'd rather keep those players who "can't"/won't drive to walmart to buy a card than keep the game. Nice try, though. Jagex is a British-based company and you immediately talk about walmart and bestbuy. This just clearly illuminates your excellent logic (or the lack thereof, rather). Anyway, trivia aside, RWTers were exploiting people (sweatshops). Stolen credit cards/credit card fraud wasn't the only crime RWTers were committing.