Hamtaro

Who's the more foolish: the fool, or the fool who follows him? ^Shocking answer [/sarcasm]

Hmm what's the date at the top of the first post? Derp. Sounds like a cheap rip off of from old Halo 2 videos tbh.

Interesting concept for videos. I like it (subscribed). As a tip, you probably shouldn't visit so many worlds next time, but a designated few each time (maybe 10-15).

There's a tiny farm just south of Varrock with two of them. That's where I level wc and fm on my skillers.

QFC: 13-14-674-59348769 Page 11, Post 9 For once I'm happy to see MMG go back on his word :thumbup:

From RS Facebook:

"Hi, I'm an admin and keyer in DGS. I would absolutely kick you for not dying in a floor." -Obtaurian "I don't kick people for making little mistakes. I don't kick people for making mistakes at all..." -Obtaurian Right well, this obviously isn't going anywhere with the most arrogant kids I have ever talked to on these forums, so I'll make my own closing remarks (and actually leave) in regards to what we've learned here today. I provided links to definitions for words that users from this thread may or may not know. New Laws of TIF based on this thread: -Opinions are just myths like gravity; there is only fact. -There is no fun, there is only efficiency. -When lacking the ability to comprehend, insult the other person to make yourself feel smart. -To win an argument, you must contradict yourself three times and attack the other person. -Don't read a post. Assume you know exactly what the person means based on two random lines you pick out. -When you don't understand what someone else says because you dropped out of school to play RS all day, call the other person a moron. -Don't post using proper sentence structure and grammar. Use shorts bullets so that those with ADHD can read as well. -Butt in on replies to others, because the replier is obviously indirectly referring to you. -When you say you won't post anymore, you're obviously joking and you should come back to annoy everyone with irrelevant, smug remarks. -Use shameless plugs to advertise anything you want outside of the advertisement thread. -Make sure you spam to a high post count so mods ignore any violations of that ^ or blatant flaming. -If you aren't on TIF 24/7 to reply to a post you made, you are automatically wrong. -If you are teamed up on by multiple people with arguments like 2+2=5, they are still correct. Always. -Claim to have the better methods of doing something, but spend all day on TIF instead of RS. Sounds like you're having lots of fun on a GAME. ---Ignore this because you're perfect and this doesn't apply to you, obviously. ---Argue against this and pretend you're trying to convince me instead of yourself.

"I'm going to step out of this conversation now, though not without two parting points" - Obtaurian

Personal attacks = dung doesn't suck? Oh darn, you win :-( I was considering joining DGS, but I'm assuming that's out the question now anyway. Well, I guess that's a good thing if this is who runs it. I'll stick to casual DG with my semi mentally challenged brother who, to be honest, understands that games are meant to (prepare to be completely shocked) have... fun? Oh my God, I must my out of my mind to suggest such a thing! Games are clearly meant to be work simulators where you have to learn how to do something useless and work with annoying people. God forbid I want to relax in my free time. Again, perspective. Many people, myself included, find fun in doing 20-30 minute dungeons and reaping the rewards of 160k+ xp/hour from that. Or when you mess up even slightly, you get kicked after killing the boss. Even in clans where you're meant to learn. That's pure frustration right there. I don't know about you, but I'm not having fun while frustrated. By the transitive property, arguing with Obtaurian is very fun :thumbsup:. I don't even try to make him angry and he rages. It's so cute.

Personal attacks = dung doesn't suck? Oh darn, you win :-( I was considering joining DGS, but I'm assuming that's out the question now anyway. Well, I guess that's a good thing if this is who runs it. I'll stick to casual DG with my semi mentally challenged brother who, to be honest, understands that games are meant to (prepare to be completely shocked) have... fun? Oh my God, I must my out of my mind to suggest such a thing! Games are clearly meant to be work simulators where you have to learn how to do something useless and work with annoying people. God forbid I want to relax in my free time.

-I disagree -That may be, but I was (am) just genuenly confused by your reponses to others, and have been seeking clarification, it seemed the only to get you to actually answer my questions -Well duh, I had nothing to say about your opinion on dung, all I cared about is why you thought Chez and Holme's answers were "proving your point" :rolleyes: Will's post pretty much addressed nothing that I said... at all. Chez's post missed everything that I put in parentheses, so I responded to thing that, essentially, I had already addressed. You, on the other hand, proved what I had to say about users on TIF who don't understand how opinions work and require a 10+ page argument (40 posts per page, too) to reach that conclusion every time. E.g. the crashing thread, the CLS vs. Rapier threads, the thread about killing cave slimes or whatever it was vs. men in Edgeville. I'm going to ignore the rest of your post because it's just irrelevant blathering. Hi, I'm an admin and keyer in DGS. I would absolutely kick you for not dying in a floor. If you're just standing outside of guardian rooms complaining about being low on prayer/food, you're wasting everyone's time. You know what the fastest way to replenish prayer and LP is? Take a wild guess. Every good dungeoneer knows that dying is sometimes necessary. Hoods are incredibly useful for every floor set (except for frozen). As Gwyn pointed out, dungeoneering is far more complex than you think it is. You're trying to write off your ignorance as fact. You should work on that. It's so cute seeing users make replies to things I addressed already that they tl;dr'd. Maybe if dying weren't a -12% mod, I wouldn't care so much, but I'm always the first one into GD's because of my defence level. I'll pass on the hood to keep my plate. *Gasp* it's "less efficient." Who gives a [bleep]? It's a children's video game. The fact that efficiency trolls exist in this game makes me concerned (and by concerned I mean laugh). Dung is hardly complex. Keeping track of keys and where things are is simply having the ability to micro manage and multi task. I respect keyers in that regard, but the rest is an utter and complete joke. I've read all of the super-massive dung articles, pages, and threads, and guess what? When you read them, your team mates in w117 read a totally different thread/page with totally contradictory information to what you read. Ignorance of the mini game is certainly not an issue. If anything, I don't work well with others. Brb for popcorn, this is getting good.

This? Sorry to tell you this, but I did read that, and I very much disagree with your analysis. Chez ignored almost NOTHING from your first post. He replied to all but like...1 thing you said. Perhaps you didn't understand how he replied, and didn't read it right? How about the part where he missed everything that I put in parentheses? That's one thing? In regards to your post, you took: -1 hyperbole -made a big deal out of nothing -ignored everything else That's exactly what you proved. Looks like I got my 3-5 on 1 prediction wrong, though. This should be a fun afternoon...

Try reading the post. You can, quite clearly, see you proved my point in what I said to Will_H :rolleyes:. TIF > RSOF? You guys read just as little as they. I'll make it easy for you: Hmm where was the last post we saw that?

HERE we go again. THANK YOU for proving my point.

@Cheezedude In regards to its being a mini game, can you name all of the skills where you don't get random events? Let's see, there's uh, hmm, this is really tough, I can't figure this one out... DUNG. Just like every other mini game. Chaotics take far longer than 10-20 hours to get from LEVEL ONE, not from already being able to reach floor 35. Getting to 80 in the first place is the problem. Overloads come from a buyable 99 (96?), and as opposed to real life, time =/= money. You can't buy your way through dung because (just like SC) you can't bring any of your own gear. Item flipping, merchanting, farming herbs, and MTK require almost not time whatsoever. The dungeons are very repetitive. You can have 100 different types of monsters, but most are still point and click. There are very few designs for rooms and if you pay attention, you will notice there are (exactly like I said in my original post), "12 or so designs of non-boss/non-specialty (specialty being something like a puzzle room) rooms on each theme (displayed by each song)." [Hence my saying someone missed the point]. There a very few room designs and different permutations of those same rooms hardly leads to variations. For instance, one day you could eat an apple, then a banana, and then an orange. The next day, you could eat a banana, an orange, and then an apple. There is no variation, only a change in the order in which you see them. But of course, Jagex will throw in the occasional watermelon (puzzle), which is just like the others, but takes longer to finish. In regards to bosses, it's good to see you missed the point (again). I said, "You see the same 2-3 bosses floor after floor (on the same theme)" and you reply that there are over 25 in all of dungeoneering. Did I say all of dungeoneering? No. On the ice floors, it's always (please forgive any spelling errors of their names) Luminescent Ice Fiend, Asthea Frostweb, and Tokash. On the Abandoned floors, it's always the damn Skeletal Horde every single [bleep]ing time. On the Furnished floors, it's always Stomp, Harlakk, and Lexicus. I so rarely see any other bosses than those ones that it feels as if I may as well be grinding any other skill, because those have an ACTUAL USE outside of Dung. If you're going to say how the rewards are useful outside, Full Void is useful outside of PC, but where's all of my Pest Control XP? Oh, right, that's because playing PC has no use anywhere else except the rewards. So when I complained about Dung back in the day and everyone told me "oh you'll like it way better once you get to floor 35," but when I get there now all of the sudden it changes and I'm a newb because I don't have a three digit level. I feel so insubordinate right now :cry:. Nice contradictions among the Dung'ers, I must say. You guys sure know how to be the best elitists. I'd consider using your clan sometime this summer, but I have a feeling I would be branded as someone who "isn't willing to learn," or some crap like that, just because I pointed out very few of the many flaws with the mini game. The flaw with the clans is that you get kicked for being "slow" (aka not wanting to die) or not binding a hood that has no use half the time on the higher level floors. I think I'll stick to duoing with my semi mentally challenged brother, who is, at least, smarter than the random kids w117 has to offer and the efficiency trolls of clans. Once I get to level 83, I will already have all of the rewards I want, none of which are chatoics or mage necklaces. I don't want to spend 200k/hr on some reward that will be outclassed within the year or some useless necklace for a combat stat that I, quite literally, never use. Only 127k tokens to go before I can quit the mini game for good! @Will_H Looks like I got a 2 for 1 on that irrelevant reply prediction. I've been on this forum long enough to know how you guys pick one thing I say (usually sarcasm, hyperbole, or a joke) and make a huge deal out of nothing, while totally ignoring the parts where I make my actual arguments. For that, I may as well predict your breathing because it's a guaranteed thing, every single time. Here's a tip for you guys when reading my posts: don't skim. Sorry that I don't spam useless tiny comments for post count (*cough* TheAncient *cough*) with barely any relation to the post I'm replying to. Now to address your post. No, it's just a mini game; I already outlined why earlier in this post in the reply to the user with the communist mudkip signature. I'm level 73 (no lamps/tears/penguin points, I have the rewards to prove it) and it is just as boring and annoying as it was at level 12. The mini game is very repetitive as, again, outlined in the earlier part of this post. I am part of neither camp, because I always duo with my brother (same level, nearly the same XP) and we are on the Occult floors, bored to death. It has no more real use than your average mini game rewards (and some TOTALLY [sarcasm] useful resource dungeons). This should be a fun 3-5 on 1 now. Bring it.

Called it. And more importantly, someone missed the point.

It's a mini game. It is comparable with Stealing Creation and BBA, not any skill. Like most mini games, it is 100% reliant on other skills. And like ALL mini games, if you no life it enough, you get tokens/tickets that you can exchange for unique rewards. Chaotic should not exist. It increased the split between normal/average players and those who can play many hours a day almost every day. It has become nearly impossible to compete with those who have the time to play enough games for 200k tokens. The game play is quite annoying too. The dungeons are very repetitive. There are only 12 or so designs of non-boss/non-specialty (specialty being something like a puzzle room) rooms on each theme (displayed by each song). You see the same puzzles floor after floor. You see the same monsters floor after floor. You see the same 2-3 bosses floor after floor (on the same theme). When playing with others, you're guaranteed a noob and/or an efficiency troll, both of whom are extremely annoying to play with. It's too frustrating working with others and I can't find a decent team because I'm not 80 (which I can't get to in the first place without a team). The only consolation that makes it somewhat bearable would be the unique rewards that it offers (anti-poison totem, gem bag, bone crusher, etc). I voted the second option as a result. Dungeoneering would be better if XP weren't given at all. inb4irrelavent reply that attacks one or two things I said

It's staggered, so you can just average each 30min multiplier. :rolleyes: Hence my giving estimations... The math is still correct because of the exponential function's decaying at the formulaic rate :wink:. Also, a quote from Jagex: This multiplier will begin at 2.7x what you would usually earn for any "normal training" activities (see list below), and will decrease every thirty minutes of game time until it reaches 1.1x, at which it will remain for the rest of the Bonus XP Weekend.

Here are some facts and figures for the weekend if anyone is interested: The bonus experience is on an exponential decay with an asymptote of 1.0999 (repeating infinitely). The formula can be represented as ~2.533*.91X (with the asymptote of ~1.0999 kept in mind). If you play for 05 hours, your average bonus will be ~2.045. If you play for 07 hours, your average bonus will be ~1.867. If you play for 10 hours, your average bonus will be ~1.667. If you play for 12 hours, your average bonus will be ~1.576. If you play for 15 hours, your average bonus will be ~1.484. If you play for 20 hours, your average bonus will be ~1.390. If you play for 24 hours, your average bonus will be ~1.343.

This assumption is flat-out false. The inside cover of the book reads, "In his free time, TS Church likes to play RuneScape." He does play, but is a noob.

I read the first book. It had a lot of "filler" content, but when it actually got to the plot, it was quite good. The read was a little... awkward because quotes were hard to detect within apostrophes ('single quotes') and some of the language used was chiefly British. It was enjoyable seeing RuneScpae in its intended state (the world, not the game) where, for example, it took days to reach the Monastery from Falador. I fully intend on purchasing the next book. I recommend the first one to any fan of RuneScape lore or quests. If you strictly play to skill, kill, or chill, you may not enjoy it so much as others. Edit: The ending scene from the book was pretty epic. It would make an interesting quest imo.

Wis. GOP bypasses Dems, cuts collective bargaining Even as a traditionally anti-union guy, I feel this has been taken much too far. Granted, I'm not from Wisconsin, but this always has the possibility of spreading elsewhere. On a certain level, I agree (guys who sit on their assess for 8 hours because there are too many workers hired or teachers who can't be fired after holding a job for 4 years even if they don't teach well should be able to be fired), but stripping unions of collective bargaining rights just seems, well, scary. America was founded for its lack of a class system, and this seems like it will help in bringing such a horrible system in the past back. I really hope this doesn't spread to Michigan, considering we're home of the UAW. Any long period of striking would (if only temporarily) cripple our economy. Didn't think I'd ever say this, but I wish the Wisconsin protesters the best of luck.

New cannon graphics?

Congrats, man. I'm about to hit 7 years myself in two weeks or so. I don't know many people that have played one game for longer than 5 years, but 10 is just unheard of. Hope you've enjoyed your time on RS as much as I have.

Being from the home of auto-unions, I have to say that while I don't like them in general, they are unfortunately necessary. I don't think $80/hr to put doors on cars is a fair wage to the management while treating a worker like [cabbage] is unfair to the workers. If anything, the unions need to have some power taken from them, but most certainly not all of it. Sure, unions did some amazing things in the past (weekend, 40 hour work week, 8 hour day, minimum wage, etc), I highly doubt that those will be taken away any time soon (inb4someone works 41+ hours per week/longer than 8 hours per day and feels the need to tell me). If anything, collective bargaining needs to be kept legal for the sake of maintaining the dignity of the worker. Some cases, however, where factories are overstaffed and workers take more breaks than they work and they begin to get in each other's way, "unfair" lay offs need to be done for the sake of keeping the company alive so we can avoid a crisis like what happened to GM and Chrysler (NOT blaming the unions, there's plenty of blame to go all around [inb4uninformed "greedy" CEO {after donating millions to charity yearly} comments]).