Dheginsea

Banned because you should sleep.

I have a suggestion if its old you should sell it get a bit of cash.

Exactly, the world doesn't seem perfect to most people. But then again maybe thats just part of the perfectness... that it has the flexibility to seem imperfect. That's a bit contradictory isn't it? Life may seem very contradictory at times. Its not perfect if it doesn't have the capability to seem imperfect. Then an imperfect life would seem perfect? And you don't think that it is equally likely that the rest of the stories in the Bible are of the same nature? Mythology created to serve a human purpose? Did I ever say it wasn't? Or at least the majority of it is. The Old Testament is essentially an overt development of Judeo-thought. Anyone who thinks it fully literal is obviously not a Semite, because figurative and symbolic stories are integral parts of Semitic cultures. So your saying that if you think it is literal you can't be a Semite? I read that and I got annoyed because I was like no I didn't say that, but it appears I actually did once I went back and read what I wrote haha. What I meant to say was anyone who interprets it literally is not well-versed in its proper and original context, i.e. Semitic culture. Now one may argue Hellenistic influences, yes, but that's more so an argument that is had to determine how much is not Semitic, not if there is a Semitic basis. Oh, okay that makes more sense.

Exactly, the world doesn't seem perfect to most people. But then again maybe thats just part of the perfectness... that it has the flexibility to seem imperfect. That's a bit contradictory isn't it?

And you don't think that it is equally likely that the rest of the stories in the Bible are of the same nature? Mythology created to serve a human purpose? Did I ever say it wasn't? Or at least the majority of it is. The Old Testament is essentially an overt development of Judeo-thought. Anyone who thinks it fully literal is obviously not a Semite, because figurative and symbolic stories are integral parts of Semitic cultures. So your saying that if you think it is literal you can't be a Semite? Possible. Another possibility is that God is real and he made all of this religion stuff to see who is going to live their life stubbornly and who is going to live rationally. Then when people die, everyone who was blindly having faith about God gets punished and everyone who used logic and reason to form ideas about the world will be rewarded with eternal life. Ha. If there was a god then I don't think he would send anyone to "hell". He would understand that he made humans in a way that it is inevitable that many would "sin" and some much more than others. Its all part of his creation anyway, I don't think that he would be a perfectionist. He would simple accept everyone, because he knows that "god works in mysterious ways." I would think that god would be a perfectionist, i mean he created the world :shock: Though ya i doubt that even if god did exist he would send people to hell considering he kinda made em.

This isn't a good thing to argue about because any Christian will tell you that no mortal man can make a call about whether or not somebody is going to go to hell. The Christian God would not necessarily choose C because no sin guarantees your place in Hell, as long as you "find Jesus" or something like that. Fair enough point, though I forgot to mention that the person has not "found Jesus" and also pretty sure that if you break the 5th commandment and you don't repent you would go to hell.

No, I'm trying to keep that in mind. That's why I said that we sort of have "multiple" sources claiming that Jesus existed. But, what of the individual stories? I thought that the unused books of the Bible all had different stories in them? Are there multiple books that tell of each story in the Bible? For example, is there more than one author that wrote about the resurrection? I was under the impression that there wasn't. The resurrection, which is the most important story of the new testament, is talked about in all 4 the gospels if I'm not mistaken and there are a few references to it in the letters written to early Christian communities that are also included in the Bible. It's quite possible that other stories, of less importance, are only told by one of the authors, but there are also tales, besides the resurrection, which are told by more than one of the authors of the canonical gospels. I'm no specialist on the non-canonical texts, so I have no idea what they contain. Well I know that there are other writings that mention the resurrection, but what I am asking is if there are multiple people who actually "recorded" the resurrection. Or whether it is just one author who said "This resurrection thing happened this way" and all of the other guys just mention "Oh, you know that resurrection that other guy talked about? Yeah well heres why it is so great" I think that there are no other documentations besides Oh, you know that resurrection that other guy talked about? Yeah well here's why it is so great but I'm not really positive about that. Hey i kinda feel like a new topic soo what about gods morality? Here's an example of why I do not think that god (christian god anyways) would be a moral being: infinite punishment/reward for finite deeds. Here's a good analogy lets say your son/daughter kills a person then robs a bank what do you do: A. Call the police B. Do nothing (he/she your kid right) C. Make a torture chamber in your basement and torture for all eternity In this situation the Christian god most likely would choose C (if I'm interpreting this right) now would you consider this moral?

Also considering that the fountains/floodgates of heaven are closed where could the water go it can't fall off the earth. Dude, seriously? I doubt anyone religious believes the bible stories to be completely 100% true, and if they do, they're nutjobs that give actual religious people a bad name. Kid in my class believes this particle story and the adam and eve story to be true, besides that he realizes most is false. So i think this is a legitiment question

So i wanted to asked this to anyone who believes the story of Noha and the arc to be comepletly 100% true. So just Noah his wife and his three sons and his wife Nemarz (i think thats her name) were able to repopulate the entire earth? First off if he only sons how could they repopulate the earth without incest (if Nemarz was still fertile). Also Noah supposedly had his kids around the nice old age of 500 :-o and then later died at age 950 :shock:, sounds realistic eh? anyway back to incest, wouldn't the offspring suffer extreme physical deformities? and thus the human race would be very deformed? Same question about deformities would apply to the Adam and Eve story. Also considering that the fountains/floodgates of heaven are closed where could the water go it can't fall off the earth.

I love how a clear, logical response offended him and made him rage. That seems to happen a lot on that show :???:

My definition of god: god is omnipotent omniscient and omnibenevolent but i also believe that this sort of being cannot exist and therefore i do not believe in god. God is not necessarily omniscient, all the evidence for that is in the bible. The bible proclaims a god, but god proclaims a bible, making it a petitio. In that sense, the bible is a fallacy, so I don't think it should be trusted in determining whether or not there is a god. So we really don't know what god is, just that he/she/it could be there, or she/it/he could not be there. i was talking about my personal definition of god omniscient is part of that definition i was in no way referring to the bible.

My definition of god: god is omnipotent omniscient and omnibenevolent but i also believe that this sort of being cannot exist and therefore i do not believe in god.

That's a good point, I met a guy who once said that if it wasn't for god he would've killed many people because he was afraid of going to hell when he died. Another person I once met said that atheists can't have morals because "if they don't believe in the god that gives morals, how could they have them?". So my question is why do so many people assume that non religious people are not moral.

Oh great, another war

I partially agree with you. One question though.. Were do those rights come from if not (for this example) God? Just some food for thought. I would argue that those rights come from human ideals.

I'll talk about the second thing you said, I completely agree. At first it seems like an okay comparison but if you think about it it implies some things that are not acceptable. Now this is directed at CGF (might have already been asked) what make it so the FSM can't exist and other gods could?

How would you do that, dump a lot of effigies?

wow Jagex actually did something about the hacking problem, NICE! =D>

Damn these are deep posts! this is why I hate coming into a deep conversation late 'cause then I don't know where to begin. Anyways my personal beliefs on religion are that I don't believe in a god/creator, I always wonder why people choose the particular religion over another, I also wonder why out of all the religions in the world people think that the one they are is correct, and finally I don't agree with Pascal in Pascal's Wager. There isn't much of a difference between atheists and Christians, Christians don't believe in any god except for Christ, only atheists take it one step further and don't believe in any gods. ^ just my views.

Okay this is something i really really hate, people who believe in the hollow earth theory (i know a few). Google it if you don't know what it is.

I'm just gonna pretend to know whats going on :thumbsup:.

Well I got this from NCIS so here it is, being embalmed alive :blink:

That's why I say gazuntite :P I really hate it when religious extremists try to shove their religion down my throat :angry:

To all the people saying that the earthquake is because of Pearl Harbor, I'm pretty sure Hiroshima and Nagasaki were enough. You guys need to think of something else if you need an excuse not to help.