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This 'gunnarseance' account is different level of fan boy, it made the obviously preposterous claim that two different front page players shared his account on 07 to make money for their EoC mains :P The audacity!

As far as I understand it, g0d's case is a human error. Several high xp players were falsely banned either because a JMod misinterpreted some information, or botwatch gave the wrong information. These were then all unbanned, but then: [22:48:36] <11%Jacmob> its just 1 ban you just need to be removed from goldfarmer list [22:53:28] <11%Jacmob> removed from list G0d's account wasn't removed from this 'goldfarmer list' which lead to him being rebanned after every unban. Now that he has been removed from this list (the fact that he wasn't was human error) the problem is resolved permanently, at least for him. I think one possible option is this: during the first wave of maxed player bans - which were legitimate bans- those players didn't bot 24/7, but actually trained their accounts part of the time and botted part of the time. One possibility is that botwatch then added the legitimate player profiles to it's 'bot' list as well as when they were actually botting. This would be high level content such as summoning using the Taverly obelisk with mousekeys or fletching broad arrows whilst thieving from dwarf traders, so this behaviour would not occur too regularly. If they only recently activated those first maxed botters profiles in botwatch, that could explain the bans.

And I'll just throw it out there that 2 of the cheats I have seen at warbands with noob accounts were called "Dreyri Slave" and "gunnarseance". I am sure these are just fanboys though.

During this last promotion I found 34 people on runetracker who had bought significant amounts of xp. (I can't post the pics because I got warned for it, but I have a thread on HLF with the worst offenders) Now consider how many people bought spins this promotion who didn't update their trackers, or who don't even have runetracker set up yet. Then consider how many people if you include previous promotions etc. The total number of people who have abused SoF is far higher than most people realize. There are maxed people from this promotion who literally bought the 3 slowest skills in the game. They got 99 in 22 skills and bought the slow ones. (Slayer, agility, rc) Warbands are available to all members. I don't have to pay £30 or w/e a sof package is to do them. They are insanely overpowered. But then, after 4 rebalances, it's pretty clear the xp is not bugged and is actually intended. Another problem is that warbands appear to have encouraged rule breaking. One of our worlds has recently started to have people in it who are multilogging on the livegame with noob accounts to loot safely. Then using their main accounts to kill the noob later. The accounts are interacting, which is against the rules. As if warbands weren't OP/game breaking enough without sinking to that level!

But this guy has been proven innocent, and has been for quite some time. So I'll reiterate - people probably shouldn't keep suggesting that there is a possibility he isn't innocent. Also, there has been only a single wave of maxed botters banned, numbering less than a hundred. As opposed to the thousands of lower levelled players/pker types that have been banned in the same time period. There is no question that botting amongst the HLC is orders of magnitude less popular than amongst the general RS population. As for other types of offence I can't really say - these are the players that probably have too much RSGP and have the opportunity to sell their gold, so maybe high level players do commit more of certain types of offence than others. (Although, someone has to buy the gold ;P) But as far as botting goes, there's really no comparison. A single maxed player being banned for botting causes a stir. It is a rare event. To suggest that botting is more prevalent amongst high levels than the general RS populace is straight up wrong. That's what I read into your post, if that wasn't what you meant my apologies.

...And all I can think about is that it'd be a lot easier to believe these claims of innocence if the community as a whole was more mature than a preteen /b/tard. :razz: I know you're joking, but when the JMod who created Botwatch has been through the guy's account and quashed all offences, people probably shouldn't keep suggesting that there is a possibility he isn't innocent.

I'll take anything I can get to keep up with the SoF people at this point. + It doesn't invalidate the xp in that skill entirely, you just value it at 1815K xp/hr and free/slight profit.

Not sure if you're trolling or not? This is a confirmed mistake on Jagex's part and will stop happening when: [22:48:36] <11%Jacmob> its just 1 ban you just need to be removed from goldfarmer list [22:53:28] <11%Jacmob> removed from list Really don't talk about things you have no idea about.

Why no warbands? Isn't every day of not doing warbands the equivalent of not being microefficient whilst hunting for like 12 hours.

Yeah, the problem is if the bot system has some real player behaviour flagged under 'bot'. He said he was doing broads+traders.

LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL Botwatch was ready etc. (that's g0d again btw)

Assuming that botwatch doesn't get fixed, I can also guarantee that more high levels will be falsely banned, and receive only an apology and free membership for their troubles. Not even free spins!

They did actually say that they wanted to rework agility at some point this year, although I expect that with the RS3 release that will be pushed back to next year or later.

New topic: G0d again. Botwatch is turning into skynet. Hide yo accounts!

Whether or not you are at barb now has no bearing on the 1.2M agility you gained in 4 hours :P Which you have already demonstrated was not done at FPF, and which you can't do with prized pendants at barb. And you apparently had no problem telling your clan mates the truth!

It's a necessary evil. I honestly do not think RS would be here today with RS3/html5/NIS and 2 new skills if we did not have SoF and Solomans to fund a good portion of the man-hours behind it. Yes I know there are still a lot of significant bugs and no one likes change, but it shows how much Jagex are able to put into game development. And you have to remember, experience that is 'bought' comes at a very high cost. I asked a friend who bought spins this weekend (lamps are 1.5x) and he says it is about 5-6k xp average per spin. 100 USD is 450 spins, which comes to about 2.5m xp. That is extremely expensive in my eyes. It does still suck, and it is pathetic when people buy spins to an extreme end, but I am more than happy to accept that fact if it means I get the plethora of good engine updates and new skills. I'll just copy paste my HLF post on the topic.

Well at the current rate, you're likely to get banned before 200M all if you don't spin it out ASAP! Only half joking...

Casa that is identical to what happened to G0d. Don't worry, just email account help explaining what happened and you'll get unbanned in a few hours - a few days. This is beyond pathetic.

I wonder how long till people start buying 10's of millions of xp going for 200m agility etc (all those 4 are 'just' buying 99s, which is nothing new in 2k13) Already seen some front pagers suddenly start gaining significant amounts of agility xp. Oh and this is on topic to the 200m all thread so please don't delete or move to another new thread. The discussion of using RWT as a method of gaining 200M skills belongs here.

Feel free to explain your theory in more detail and I'll ask him again, as I find it quite interesting. He did mention that it hasn't been turned on for all bots yet, and that it all sort of links together. We differ then in that I don't think that banning high levelled players - with the permanent suspicion some players will have against those accounts now, despite the unban - is worth it. They should not have released something so flawed into the live game. It should have gone through several new builds if it is still in such a primitive state before it was fit for the game.

The system does not work great when it clearly does not give Jagex employees accurate enough information for them to make the correct decision. Consider that these players have been banned in several different parts of the game, doing different skills which are trained with completely different mouse movements - this must have been the result of several incorrect decisions, not just one. Either the system is not giving good information, or the Jagex Mods are doing a poor job of interpreting that information. Either way, there is a large problem with the anti bot system as a whole. Also: [01:57:51] <11%Fall> this guy says botwatch works like this http://puu.sh/3LPnu.png Jacmob [01:57:52] <11%Fall> is he right [01:59:21] <11%Jacmob> no Fall it's more sophisticated than that

Lyra was doing artisans - no use of AHK or any mousekeys, just natural mouse movements. Tiistai was doing C2 - no use of AHK or any mousekeys, just natural mouse movements. G0d was doing fletching with broads - no use of Ahk or mousekeys, just natural mouse movements. Buddhism was doing thieving - if this was at dwarf traders, maybe you can see why. Pieter was fishing doing idk what method so no comment. Atticus bird was superheat mining - no mousekeys or AHK used because of EoC dropping. Most of them were not using AHK or mousekeys at all as it gives 0 benefit to the skills they were training. Either way, if the system can't differentiate between a bot and the use of mousekeys, it is messed up. And if the system has any false positives at all, especially this many (this many of players with 1.5B+ xp only - god knows how many players in total) then it should not be implemented.

Also @Ring world G0d did not get banned for AHK, neither did Lyra, Atticus Bird, Pieter, Tiistai and Buddhism. This is just the system [bleep]ing up. Lyra and the others have received apology emails and reimbursement.

Buddhism (2.3B oa xp) is the latest player to be falsely banned. I'm assuming falsely right now, because so many 1.5B+ xp players have been banned wrongly and promptly unbanned in the last couple of days that I have 0 faith in the system anymore.

Yes but all you do is wear the armour that gives you 900 def vs the style the creature attacks with, if defence matters. Else you wear power armour and soulsplit. Either way, hybrid armour comes up as significantly sub par. Against something that uses multiple attack styles that do a lot of damage, I disagree. Having some hybrid armor (read: gloves and boots) is better than having just power gloves/boots on in that you take significiantly less damage. For something that you can soul split, there really wouldn't be any need for defense, which is why power armor is better What bosses do you not wear power armour or max defense to a single style to, out of curiosity. The only example I can think of is DKS. There is a reason for this. Wearing power armour for everyone but the tank(s) is significantly superior to wearing hybrid in any slot. You'd probably get laughed out of any Nex/KK/Vorago team if you suggested tanking in hybrid gear.