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Whenever I read actions per minute, or apm, or a/m, i get uneasy. all the humanness is sucked out of rs for me when I think about my actions per minute *shudders*. But part of me knows it is an effective way to think about how one plays rs. How do I reconcile these disjoint parts of myself??

yeah i think you would evaluate accuracy the same way you do for str. I guess there *could* be situations where you might want to use void even if the str is less because of the increased accuracy. but i doubt it. accuracy bonus is generally very well correlated with str bonus.

void is better if ,with void, your str bonus is greater than 10*(str bonus w/o void) - 64. Quyneax listed the cutoffs.

omg, thanks so much! :smile:.

A dreadnip :ohnoes: :ohnoes: :ohnoes: ??

how about when you use a familiar :ohnoes: ??

yes...

^^^, you are right the embryonic stem cells are the best to use (most undifferentiated, best at replicating, etc.). But the science is developing really fast. The embryonic cell controversy is becoming a non-issue. We are getting closer to being able to re-program other types of stem cells into embryonic ones, or at least giving them some of the capabilities of them, etc. (all you have to do it seems is find the right cocktail of enzymes to expose them to, and they'll revert).

^^, umm the development of the world has not been due to sacrifice - it's been due to technological innovation. human intelligence, in other words. The first people who discovered plants grew from tiny seeds, and were able to convince everyone to grow things in addition to hunt and gather, even when the results wouldn't be seen for years - those are the types of people we owe the world we live in to. "sacrifice" has always happened; it's been a constant throughout history, a way to ensure our survival, or something like that. Not a way to advance humanity. In the paleolithic era 40-60% of babies were killed so a stable population could be maintained. That's certainly a lot of sacrifice! If you want to know why humans got themselves into that unfortunate position it's because humans got better at surviving very fast (something our genetics weren't adjusted to), so our birthrate got to be out of proportion.

^ thanks for re-posting the numbers (and expanding them :mrgreen:) . I think anyone would be very grateful for that helpful, relevant information. There seems to be much confusion about how exactly the void set-up compares to the arhims one.

That makes so much sense. I remember now. Thanks! I guess effigies/charms, etc., are introduced the same way.

I get confused because almost always i see drop rates in the form 1/x (where x is a natural number :P). But it's most accurate to think of them as arbitrarily long decimals that get rounded, i think. But my question is to what place are they rounded??

Skeptic, nice point! I remember realizing that. indeed as the price got higher more people would stop buying them and use cr instead, and the price would fall (assuming the rational consumer hypothesis).

lol this isn't going to get the attention is deserves now. but yeah, they will be fixed in time I imagine. I guess they weren't tested at all on the things it was important to test them on, or something.

yeah??

aw i'm glad someone made a thread about them. So magic level boost caps at 21%, sadly, meaning you won't get 30% from the tier 4 marker, only 21%. That said, magic levels above 106 still increase the floor/max of SoA, which is the only spell you would want to use anyway. They re-boost very frequently, maybe like every 10 ticks, but *only* if your level of the skill that is boosted drops below your level in that skill. So the marker works quite well if you are drinking brews every so often. Without brews you only get an average boost of 5. === for anyone without overloads they seem like they would be very helpful. if you solo nex, but don't want to overload ever min, then maybe it's useful for that (but i doubt it). for SoA on certain bosses like arma, zammy, bandos, it's also good.

It would be higher than karils ofc. Maybe higher than darts, but unlikely. but with god arrows you're paying around same per damage as you would be with SoA lol.

also if you are cannoning a task you really want the extra accuracy for your cannon. and if it's multi then you probably want a slay helm for scrolls. if you're not cannoning then you're probably in kuradal's dungeon, in which case dragon darts and arma is probably the best choice.

Ah i see. i guess assuming cs and csb for fire surge is not that suspicious because the people who can use SoA have done that hard quest.

lol good point. no, it wasn't. it's actually 20% faster. but okay so SoA is 1.6 the dps/cast of fire surge then, not 1.93.

Quyneax, its a bit higher than that even. The extra magic levels increase the base/max of soa in addition to giving the 3% boost, so it comes out to 1.93 I think. Recently arma runes were down to 1500. A fire surge is~700. but with 1.93 the dps of surge, SoA is not too much more per damage. Right now the runes are around 2k. Still, i don't see that as being very bad. When you factor in how much time you save using it, it's almost certainly worth it.

Or maybe a hand cannon shot :mrgreen: ?? == does anyone know approximately how long the gloves last?

omg, we get to have a discussion again :mrgreen: : the exact thing I would detest is your statement that it is useful to everyone. I see it imposed on people for who it is not very useful, and I see those people criticized for not having the same value system, which is what I don't really like. personally, it doesn't bother me that it doesn't reflect my own value system. I hardly have one, as I've expressed in this thread.

. wow, this is some interesting insight. looking at it this way, effigy collecting nearly replaces any form of money making (well, only if your goal is maxing out, and doesn't involve having surplus money). but i guess that was kind of obvious. but the glacor calculations surprised me nonetheless. yeah, i'm just sort of critical of the narrow sense in which value is often defined, because i don't think a lot of people see its narrowness.

I had problems with this statement too. Good job on the solid (if impassioned) defense TTanT! I think what he more meant to say was most people have the same idea of fun, and that it's not like what's fun to people is totally random. Which i would agree with. ==== For the record, another task SoA is also worse on is mutated jadinko males. And on cannon-able tasks you sort of have to factor in the cannon's decreased accuracy.