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*Cough* Please stop lumping me together with the lazy people when I spent a number of hours trying to get your darned game working and got no help at all. <_<

Sigh...Yes...however Blooming would be a fairly common occurance in atomspheric games...like most of them...so the lasers would already have taken account of them, and would be more powerful to compensate...Ergo the input would need to be increased, which would increase the output, which would increase the amount of blooming, which decreases the amount of damage done, which means the input needs to be increased....ect. Like the nanites, the Alpha Nero... I am not talking, specifically, about Stargates, I am talking about the thing you have in common with Dusty: 'I am right and I refuse to listen to the game until you let me be right.' You do it with Science, Dusty does it whenever he fails at something he considers easy...or necessary to him winning the game. And, as I said before, you are asking for me to arbitrarily pick a number out of thin air and apply that number as a real, scientific number. If I happened to have a brain the size of a house and thus the capacity to calculate the requirement of the wormhole and the output of all the various types of reactor...then yeah, sure (Though I would be working for the government...or turning Space in to a MMORPG and earning 10p an hour per person...I figure 5,000 people, £500 an hour.) But since I do not have infinate time I gave you a game practical number...as in a number that you could use in game to produce a result, without breaking science or breaking the game...or both. Yes...except you commonly use figures that are grossly innaccurate or deeply flawed...Like your railgun launch platform which used the theoretical max speed of the capsule, rather than the max tolerance of human beings... Or you go with ideal conditions (Lasers), post links to controlled condition experiments(Coil Guns), make fallistic(Brilliant word) statements (Like the whole missiles that can intercept missles 100% of the time)...and then use the figures, statistics and premises established there to propose weapons that work in the field... If all it is you want me to do is times one number by another number then all you are asking me to do is rubberstamp it: Mather: If a nanite can eat a man in 5 minutes how long would it take to eat 10 men? Archi: 50 minutes *Sometime later* Mather: My nanites can eat a man in 5 minutes! Nex: What, no they can't! Mather: Archi said they could eat 10 men in 50 minutes, therefore they can eat 1 man in 5 minutes. Nex: Thats OP Mather: Archi said they could. In any event, this has gone quite far enough, fact is that we all have to live with compromises. If you disagree please start your own game.

Phlebotinum I think you will find. :thumbup:

Why stop there? The nanites could manufacture a whole new planet before you could say 'Unrealistic'! Think of the possibilities! Also salt water contains more than just salt...and nanites are capable of rearanging Ionic Bonds in a snap, one would assume covalent bonds would be no more difficult.. So we have carbon from the atomsphere, Hydrogen and Oxygen from the water...Glucose has been made!

Nex...We all know the answer to that...decomposition by nanites. Hell, even sending the nanites off to fight the zombification virus would work, dem nanites are magic. =P

Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation in a coherant, directed beam. Plasma is a state of matter similar to gas in which a certain portion of the particles are ionized. The basic premise is that heating a gas dissociates its molecular bonds, rendering it into its constituent atoms. Further heating leads to ionization (a loss of electrons), turning it into a plasma: containing charged particles, positive ions and negative electrons. Which requires us to calculate the energy requirement of the laser, which requires us to know what it is expected to perform...Such as vapourising matter. Which then requires us to develop the previous point to compensate for the dispersal, which is a complicated function since we need to increase the various variables. Requires us to compensate for weather conditions. So... Mather: 'Oh yeah, what energy level of lasers?' Archi: 'About 4.4 Megajoules.' Mather: 'But that doesn't account for blooming.' Mather: 'Did you compensate for blooming.' Mather: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blooming_(laser)#Blooming' Mather: 'So what is the energy level?' Archi: '0.005 kT per shot' Mather: 'Whats that in Columbs?' While I, and other people, are dealing with several dozen other people, we are expected to conduct a scientific analysis that typically takes me two or three hours to arrive at an answer which is of little consequence to you. But battering other people with claims based on psudeo-hard science*...like the nanites that eat whole armies in seconds...just spawns arguements and annoyance...because no one else is willing to sift through the psudeo-hard science and missing information to arrive at the correct answer. *Stargate/TV Tech.

Fixed. Double Fixed.

Right... On a more practical level I have been fishing for 6 hours at a time and not caught anything with 4 rods, 2 nets and a bunch of electronic equipment, and caught nothing. I have also been fishing and caught something in five seconds. Various other times with various combinations of rods nets and such. I am probably about as skilled as Joe Bloggs the fisherman, and I am telling you that there is a good chance you won't get anything for successive periods of time...and sometimes you will catch small or inedible food. And if you can't eat you become weaker, and if you are weaker it is harder to catch food and if you don't have food you can't eat. I am not saying it is impossible...I am saying that...it is a bad idea to say 'Oh yeah, I will just fish for food and everything will be alright'. Similarly living in a house boat and whatnot would be difficult...everything in a post apocolyptic Earth would be difficult...

I would be careful Mather, you can get in quite serious trouble critising moderator actions pubicly. If you have a problem you should report it and let things go through the proper channels...

We.... Anyway, please stop spamming the thread with foreign language posts...If they are vaguely related post a translation...Otherwise please don't spam. Similarly, SC4 is not vaguely related to Space...

Right... Except that you won't get a fish every day, and somedays you will get a tiny fish, otherdays your line will break, and alot of the time you will lose your bait without gaining anything. Premising that you will always get enough food kinda goes against the basis of natural selection...

Fishing is not that easy, neither is farming...so you would likely starve within a few weeks. Hydrolysis will require a lot of equipment and effort...And not entirely sure how it would then be used to cook fish...since combining salt and water doesn't cook fish...as seen by the sea and rain... If it was some method of power generation then you would need a battery...and if seawater combines with a battery you get a dead battery, so that could be problematic. Also finding a solar power station and a houseboat, convienatly located off the coast of Africa, may be rather difficult. More reasonably would finding a nuclear shelter and waiting 50 years...which should have exausted the food supply of the zombie hoard thus they would die off...Unless going with the 'Zombies don't need food they live forever and are powered by air.' arguement...in which case: Live in the Middle East-> Set fire to all the Oil Derricks you can -> Nuclear Shelter -> Wait for all the zombies to drown thanks to global warming.

Yeah, Eve Online kills your computer. <_< Anywho, internet turned out to be corrosion on the internet cable, fixed with a little bicarbonate of soda...saved a callout...Computer was not so lucky and I am 99% sure that it's hard drive has died, so £260 worth of repairs, fixed rate for parts and labour... On the other hand, if they fail I get a new free laptop, and a 500 GB hard drive costs more than £260...and if there is anything else wrong with it that will get fixed too...so, as failures go, it was good that it was so bad. However this computer is family computer so a week or so without Space, I'm afraid.

Did I say better? I said practical. Its like you saying 'Its AMAZING the streets are made of gold' Me saying 'Actually they are made of stone' And you saying 'How is that better?' You may need to read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is_ought Also: 245>140 Also you didn't actually provide a method, you just said that either Retech was superpowered or that the nanites were superpowered. Neither of which is a cohesive arguement.

A more practical alternative is peer to peer networking and simple commands...like move, grab, inject...ect...along with perhaps designator signatures...Since nanites can get practically anywhere in the human body within 30 seconds it doesn't really matter which goes where... Assuming 100 commands per nanite... 1 101 10,201 1,030,301 104,060,401 10,510,100,501 1,061,520,150,601 So in seven transmissions it could be done. Could probably run the nanites on 8 megabytes of ram (scanner mainly) and 100 megabytes static memory, per nanite...along with wireless system, which could be analogue... Number of cycles would probably need to be what? Lets work out the length of the average command: So lets premise that 1 byte per letter of designation, gives us 256 letters. 5 letters give us 1.099 trillion designations. So 5 bytes there. 256 commands is probably enough to be getting on with, so 1 more byte there. Duration, say 2 bytes, one for minutes, one for seconds and blank for 'until cancelled'. Location of the target, say the nanite has a map of the body, gleaned from all the other nanites, then only destination would be required, so 3 bytes would be sufficent per dimension(16 million points over 2 meters), so 9 bytes overall there. Authorisation code perhaps, another 2 or 3 bytes, could make it up to whatever you liked? So you are looking at 17 bytes per command, plus authorisation. Thats 136 bits, so 136 operations. Then course plotting, which would be consulting the memory database... So more cycles free the faster that would go, up to 800,000,000...even faster with an index. Then plotting the course, which would be another 136 operations per point. Lets give it 30 points, so 4,080 operations. Mini scanner, lets say generates an image of 72 DPI resolution, at 1 inch, at 100 frames per second...Thats 518,400 operations per second. And from that builds a 3D replication of the outside world...Premising around 200,000 points, lets say 3 bytes per point, looking at 4,800,000 operations per second. Then transmitter, that needs 13,600 operations per second to relay 100 messages, with an extra...4,000 to change the designations for the other 100 nanites. Then some sort of management system...lets give than another million operations per second. As a result we need, approximately... 6-7 milllion FLOPS. Or 6-7 megaFLOPS per nanite. Summing to 140,000,000,000,000,000 FLOPS overall...Or 140 PentaFLOPS. Initial computer might need to be mildly complicated, so as to work out where to apply the electrical stimulus to activate the muscles...but nothing terribly special in the modern AI/SI world....could probable be done on a current desktop computer...since the majority of the nanites would just be floating about. Actual milage may vary.

Not exactly sparse when 2 grams of Iron can create trillions, and the average human has 5 grams of Iron in their bodies. Not to mention calcium. The main concern would be energy consumption, though with game tech replicators this is taken care of by converting some Iron/Calcium to energy.

Hehe, we have Monty as well, and we went several sessions without a medic. In other news 2.3 has undergone a super eruption, with the surface turned into a huge sea of magma. The long term effects of this are unknown, though a thick(ish) atomsphere of Carbon Dioxide, Water vapour, Hydrogen and Oxygen has formed, leading to raging atomspheric fire storms, making visits, in the short term, highly dangerous.

/Join #space42 tavern Clock is 5 minutes slow.

(Bonsi decloaks and fires missles into the Unity.) "Unity though superiour firepower!" The crew works on the principle that people listen to someone or act on their own accord. The ship works on the principle that the SI listens to people in hierachy...or you try to stealthy fiddle with consoles. One of the many things that really needs to be done is work out a ship code or some such, so that there is not so much confusion...since there is alot of overlap between the various people.

(This is an experiment, to see if respect can drop at super lumial speeds =P)

Depends how they are used...As Nero said, Bananas can be used effectively in combat. And I would see them like poison.

There are alot of statements. Or the one about leg size and jazz being increased? Generally it is, but if you are looking specifically for a non-immune responce initiating nanite then 20 is required.

Level 1 are blood cell sized, level 20 are nanosized...hence why the body doesn't attack them.

Sigh...Nanite is, definationally,1 nanometer long. Thus, at best, has legs of half a nanometer long. Supposing you used a Flagellum motor, or something similar, you have around 15,000 RPM as a celing value, probably more in the region of 1,000...so lets say 6,000. So that is 3,000 nanometers per minute, 3 micrometers, 0.003 Millimeters, 0.000003 Centimeters. 0.000003 meters per minute, or 0.00000005 meters per second. Lets say that a human is 1.5 meters tall, that means that, for a nanite army to travel from the the top to the bottom would take 30,000,000 seconds, 500,000 minutes, 8,333.3 hours, 347.2 days or just under a year. Now... If we assume they use the bloodstream this is reduced to a couple of minutes to inflitrate every section of the body...However, humans don't tend to have a bloodstream between people, thus travelling from one Human to another would be reasonably difficult...Probably involving exploding blood vessels or something, I don't know. However, if we premise that 1 nanite bullet enters 1 person, and it takes 30 seconds for the blood on one side of the body to reach the other side of the body, then you are looking at 30 seconds before the nanites can do anything to spread... Thus, unless the army was standing directly adjacent to that one person, and they all stood directly adjacent to nine other people, and then those 81 people stood directly adjacent to another 729 people...Which would take one and a half minutes...Then the nanites would be work like a chain that eventually comes to an end. Even if we premise that they were 8 micrometers(Bloodcell sized) long, with legs 8 micrometers long also, with rpm of 15,000 for the legs....you are still looking at a top speed of: 120,000 micrometers per minute, or 0.12 metres per minute...or 0.002 meters per second. As such, to go up a human 1.5 meters tall would require 12 and a half minutes. Though this is best possible...currently more in the 1,000 rpm range, with legs of around 1 micrometer(Since 8 micrometer long legs would be impossible to move coherantly with an 8 micrometer long body.) As such....about 1,000 micrometers per minute, equating to 0.000001 meters per minute, or 0.000000016 meters per second, which means it would take 108.5 days to climb up the 1.5 meter tall person. Nano Engineering to increase the RPM, 2,000 per 10 levels. Nanite leg size and jazz is increased by nanite level.

You posture alot, then start doing stuff...which leads to stuff happening, which you react to, which leads to more stuff...and usually people then start interfering and things get out of hand.