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Just gonna put this out there...Since this debate is going nowhere, and going nowhere fast.

I can give you 140,000 things that it works with. Alternatively, iPhones, iMacs, iCameras(if they exist) You take a random PC then there will be a proportion of software that doesn't work on it, there will be another proportion of hardware that doesn't work with it. Windows is pretty awesome in my opinion. While the Mac/Apple is pretty useless. That is my opinion, not what most people think. Also, Macs tend to use Firewire and USB ports.................. I am not entirely sure what your point here is...Other than different products use different cables. And having everything set up for you is exactly what Microsoft did, then the court ruled against them, and they couldn't do that any more. Added to that its not overly important to have everything pre-packaged, in my opinion...I can reformat my harddrive and get back to a sembalance of programs in an hour or two...Whereas having to clear out the bloatware takes absolutely forever...Great if you want the Bloatware, but if you don't, it is useless.

To me, his death doesn't mean anything at all. I would guess to most people it doesn't mean a great deal either. Its not like all iProducts had his face emblazoned over them...or his family will demand the apple logo back. People buy iProducts because everything works together and it takes alot of effort to do the same thing with Windows...So saying that Jobs' death will stop people buying iProducts is like saying people would stop buying American if Obama died. The long term implications will be a result of Tim Cook's bussiness strategy...Not Jobs' death.

Alternatively Samsung & co will go the way of de Havilland, with a product that is so cutting edge that it explodes spectacularly. Like some sort of contact lens phone that transmits sound waves through the optic nerve in some hither to unexplained way, which works fine until people start going deaf. Or they will bring out the bestest ever phone, at the same time some other company brings out the contact lens phone, and they will fail so horrifically that they collapse. Ebb and flow. As to Apple...As long as they can carry on coming up with god awful inventions people will keep buying them...

His Iphone didn't have an app for that. [hide] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxSKXJBcNkg&feature=player_detailpage [/hide]

Righto. I will use my intense Diplomacy Based Skillage.

Probably between 100 and 200. I am only seriously looking at the game system for the first time... If you build a 'base essential' character for 100, with a list of favourable upgrades, then that would work well. I am thinking of giving people an extra 50 points if they don't choose any supernatural/exotic advantages, and an extra 10 to those who only choose 1.

No Mather, it would be IRC. There are skills, stats, perks and traits. In addition there are deperks. It would be set in the future, in Space. If you want to play, fine, if you don't then I am not going to lose sleep over it...in brutal honesty. Retech: Clear as mud. :rolleyes: Its a system that you could run a Pathfinder Game off, if you set about translating one thing into another. Not identical, but you could do it.

Does anyone have any days/times of day that they CAN'T do, in the average week? I am thinking, vaguely, about a G(enric)U(niversal)R(ole)P(laying)S(ystem) game and wanted to know if people would be up for that. I am currently thinking Mondays OR Fridays 8 PM, similar to how Space was. Please give timezone or converted to GMT zone :grin: The reason I am suggesting GURPS is because it allows you maximum freedom of character creation...From Samurai to Cowboy, from Caveman to Captain Kirk. AND it is DESIGNED to be compatible with other game systems...AKA you could translate your character in Pathfinder into GURPS! Anywho, for those not willing to acquire the rulebook here is the free-lite version: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12603519/GURPS_Lite_Fourth_Edition.pdf If anyone has any specific questions feel free to ask. (I won't be starting till next week at least)

I agree with Mather...He shouldn't get involved in the games. Lets face facts, the reason Mather doesn't like it is that there are clear, defined, rules which he would have to learn to take advantage of...He would also have to suspend his own defined system of reality. Freeform games don't require that, and neither to rigid computer games, like Half-Life and Portal, which essentially removes all higher level choice, leaving you with a puzzle to solve (In any way you like). If we look at the games Mather has been in, they slow down tremenously whenever he is directly involved. Nominally because he is arguing that he should be able to do stuff, as in freeform....Or because he is brute forcing a method consistant with his system of reality. Now, we can try to see eye to eye...but it would be, at best, intermitant unless one side surrendered a lot...Mather only surrenders when he has been defeated by proof that obeys his particular view of reality, while a GM that surrenders to the player, on every issue, makes a poor GM.

Possibly I am thinking of C&C 4 instead :rolleyes:

DnD is relatively simple to grasp, so people can argue without picking apart serveral wikipedia articles and then searching for commonality...you can just search a feat and bam. However, if you are looking to be clever with something, you have to do a massive amount of searching. So its kinda like Hegemony...A good idea is stolen and copied, and then is standard. But unlike Hegemony there is an inexaustable supply of people coming up with ways to beat the game, so your chances of finding anything special are low, verging on non-existant. Ergo, it is simply a case of memorising and applying...No cleverness required. End of Nations looks alot like Red Alert 3....

'You are stabbed by a sword, by an assailant that snuck up on you' 'But I was looking at him' 'He was behind you' 'Thats where I was looking' 'Sigh...Fine, you see this guy sneaking up behind you' 'I shoot him with my laser rifle' '...' On a related note, I am toying with two ideas presently: Danse Macabre's Low-Magic Fantasy setting Or Star Control's (GURPS) Sci-Fi setting Either game can be a combat-lite game of deductive reasoning, or combat by the bucketload. So, preferences? Reference materials: [hide] SC backround reading: http://web.archive.org/web/19991122011206/http://www-inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~mcmartin/gsc/History.html Danse Macabre rulebooks (Hosted by the publisher): http://www.mythopoeticgames.com/pdf/Danse-Core-Rules.pdf [/hide] And now I must go and attempt to join the local roleplaying club...again :rolleyes:

Seems rather practicable to my mind. I would be willing to do Danse.

To the Irony Mobile!

Actually, Science is a derived term of Mathamatics...and Mathamatics is a derived term of English...And English is a derived term of History...and History is a derived term from Geography...And Geography is a derived term of Science. Everything is interconnected because all of the words are abstract concepts. aka- In nature electricty doesn't work as a physics based science, it works as electricity, following the laws that govern it, which we interpret into scientific laws, under the faculty of Physics. I would also remind you that Science, as a whole, explains why stuff works. Chemistry is mostly input and output...You mix random chemicals, you get random chemicals, you define the chemicals, then you mass produce the chemicals you need, from the chemicals you have. Physics is mostly watching and calculating...Stars, planet trajectories, ect, ect, ect. Its outputs tend to be refining something else, for example the correct trajectory of a rocket. Biology is like chemistry, though takes far longer and nature does the mixing itself. So, naturally physics overlaps into both other concepts, while biology and chemistry only really fed into physics, they don't do much else. :sad:

Given he said 'Biology' one could infer (possibly wrongly) that he meant Mole(Animal) and Mole(Unit).

Psht, the cure for a broken leg is to run it off :thumbsup: Cure for a broken arm must be more exercise!

Aye...We use the full number, occassionally truncated depending on the level of accuracy we want to achieve(Personally I find 3 decimal places to be sufficent 99% of the time), right up until the end, where you modify it into whatever they want it as. What I used to love in classes was when people got their phones out and claimed that that was the only place they had a calculator...Just thinking that if you wanted a graphing calculator you could pull out a laptop :thumbsup: (Personally though, bring back log books...Sure they take longer, but if you are using a calculator then you aren't really doing maths...)

Everytime I watch CSI and they mention that they are on the Graveyard shift I wonder when they actually sleep... Since it clearly isn't during the day, when they interview people...a lot of the time it is sunny when they are collecting evidence... :rolleyes: (That I am watching CSI should indicate that I am taking a day off from study, so naturally am excessively bored)

Not neccessarily an idiot...But that the actions you took had a direct effect on the world, and as a direct consequence of that effect you got injured. Same way as sticking your hand onto an oven ring as a child isn't 'your fault' (The first time, after that you know it is dangerous so you take action to stop it), but you still take responsibility and blame.

If you are dressed is black, have a cross section of an average person, or marginally higher, and travelling at a speed approaching that of a African Big Cat hunting its prey...then you are to be blamed. There would be CONSIDERABLY less accidents involving motorcyclists if motorcyclists dressed in dayglow yellow (Preferably one that periodically changed colour to give other road users an increased chance of seeing them) and two large flags deployed either side so that the cross section was similar to that of a car. (Would also be excessively funny in strong weather :thumbsup: ) Then their blame would be lessened...But not entirely expunged...If you had been playing closer attention you would have seen the car/whatever and thus not been involved in the accident. There is not a situation in which a person is not, in some way, to blame for the misfortune that has befallen them. Possibly the only exception is if someone crashing into you when you are completely stationary, though even then, if you had taken steps to avoid the crash, then it could have been avoided...so you are still to blame.* * This view largely comes from being a pedestrian crossing the road: While the car that hits you, it might be 'to blame', it doesn't really stop you bearing the worst of the consequences. Thus you need to take responsibility for your own well-being and not blindly assume that the car will stop. Our Logic and Society might dictate that the car should stop at the Zebra Crossing, but the laws of nature dictate that if it doesn't, you die(Or are injured). And out of the Law of Man and Law of Nature, I know which I respect more...

Eating a cat would be like eating a solitary peanut...They don't have alot of meat on them, aren't dreadfully filling and a pain in the neck to cook. In the words of Monty Python, it can take four hours to cook a cat if it won't hold still. Dogs are worse...they don't have much meat, and their liver can kill you.

Mototcycles(And their users), like people who flaunt their bodies, are not soley to blame when bad things happen to them...But they don't help matters either... Simple law I try to follow, everyone who is involved in partially responsible...Blame must be apportioned, but everyone should take responsibility and try to do something about it.

Gah! Ok, got my timetable, and I have one course spread cross two semesters... In the first semester it is Thursday 9 O'Clock till 11 O'Clock...The same time as another one of my courses :thumbsup: In the second semester it is Friday Afternoons at 4 O'Clock till 6 O'Clock...The same time as YET ANOTHER one of my courses. So, as things stand, I will probably attend a grand total of 0 out of 22 lectures for that subject...Which will be 'amazing fun'. Very fortunately I know a number of people who did the course last year, and I only need to write two reports on the subject, no exams...So I not the end of the world. And I get to talk to the subject people in a few hours, so hopefully there is a workaround. (Mushing from one to the other takes 20 minutes, so if I did that (the two other courses are only an hour) I would probably only get 30-40 minutes, tops...Of lectures that usually end early. :thumbup: I mean, it would have been nice for some sort of Lecture Timetable to have been published while we were making our choices, rather than information about the course (Which, lets be honest, we only skimmed)...But no. :rolleyes: Anywho: I get Monday and Tuesday off in the first semester, have 2 hours of courses on Wednesday and Thursday, and one on Friday. Plus one seminar a week, which isn't yet set. In the second semester, 1 hour on mondays, then Tuesday and Wednesday off, one hour on Thursday, and then five hours (With a 3 hour break between hour 2 and 3) on Friday. Plus 2-4 Seminars. So its not like I won't have time to catch up...and the files are typically on the web so...