Mikey,, both The Sabres and 'The' Clan were formed in a pre-Runescape Jagex game called Cyber wars wiki info here a very basic game with the ability to 'chat' . When Runescape was released in 2001, both clans moved across to the new game, which is why BK can claim to be the oldest RS clan as they were the first clan formed in the new game, just pipping Gladz I believe. Though both 'The' and the original Sabres are older. Now for the confusing bit.. No one can deny that the original Sabres are Jagex's first clan. Cyberwars was released Apr 99, 'The' Clan opened 16 Dec 99 and The Sabres somewhere in between (Any Sabre know the actiual date? would be nice to find out.) No, 'The' claims to be Jagex's oldest Active Clan. Active through every day of our history. More ups and downs than a yo-yo, more drama than Coronation street but still active :D