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This sounds like a splendid update. Fast experience at the lost of not knowing what specific runes you will receive (aka: loss of mass money). Yes people complain that it could bring on more RC capes but it goes back to when Fletching was updated. Those that had capes before the string-x showed they had the mad clicking skills, even though there were going to be more capes being brought in. They got over it, so will the others (hopefully).

Confidence, eh? Honestly just be yourself. If you are scared that they don't like you, who cares, like you are going to know them 5 years later. Personally I just put on a mentality of just wanting to have fun, everybody (ok most) like to have fun.

Personally, I am retired from the game. Ok lame joke, but killing the extra 24 was really not necessary.

Congrats Celt! \ =D>

Fine don't inform me of what has been happening, I know where the love is. Best of luck Dusty, it is pretty easy to leave the game when it gets boring. You should just set it aside until it is time to come back if there will be a time to come back. I give you the best of luck your senior year. My senior year was a blast. Oh and be sure to grow me something irl sometime.

Now I wish I could try my comcast one back home.

Like I said in my previous post, it is the illusion of choice because there are verses in the bible about Predestination. If the bible did not speak of Predestination, then, yes, it would be vague. But there are also verses in the Bible about Free Will. I dont deny that there are verses about Predestination, that is why I said the debate can go both ways and will never be fully solved until we die. No, you don't understand. Those phrases are not about Free Will. They are about choices. Free Will is dependent on whether or not Predestination exists, but not the other way around. That means, since there are verses in the bible about Predestination, the verses about choices are illusions. If there weren't verses about Predestination, then the verses about choices would be Free Will. Choice is Free Will is it not?

Like I said in my previous post, it is the illusion of choice because there are verses in the bible about Predestination. If the bible did not speak of Predestination, then, yes, it would be vague. But there are also verses in the Bible about Free Will. I dont deny that there are verses about Predestination, that is why I said the debate can go both ways and will never be fully solved until we die.

You offered the idea of the illusion of choice. How do you know it is only an illusion? I think someone would only know if something is an illusion if they step out of the picture and look at it with a different view. (Like a magician's tricks) I believe that is only possible when we die, we will find the full picture. Since you are typing rebutles, I take that you are still alive. I personally don't believe you could honestly understand the full picture if you are alive. There are many things I dont completely understand, I will admit that, but I am only human. That is why I feel that this debate will never cease. No one can think how God has, and see what he has planned or destined for us. Maybe he has predestined us to be his, maybe he loved us and gave us a choice to be free. I personally wont have a set answer until I die and know for sure. Was I predestined to believe this? Was I given a choice to believe this? I dont know the answer to either of those. Like I said, I will find out when I die and I am content in knowing that. I dont see knowing the answer to those questions now would help me anymore than my current world view and beliefs I hold.

Now it depends on your definition of a regular. Is a regular one that is in there almost 24/7 or one that is on the chat whenever he/she is on Runescape. Honestly I have time that can be used better than to talk in a chat in a game I dont even play any more. And the cape is the mage arena cape I was talking about. :wink:

"So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy. [verse 17 omitted] So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires." (Rom. 9:16-18, NASB) And many, many other quotes. In contrast, there are no quotes in the bible about free will. Seriously. Mind thinking about that again? [hide=Free will] [/hide]

Ok it looks like the argument of Predestination and Free Will has become the topic now. I am going to state what I have been taught, rather than argue for one side or another. Adventurer: You are debating for the side of Free Will. Paper: You are debating for the side of Predestination. Ok so you think that would end there. You two have been doing a fine job defending each side. Now let me interject the last side to this debate that I have heard. Note that this is a gray area in the Bible, meaning that there is almost no splicit answer. These areas can be debated to kingdom come, but I don't think it will be answered until we die and find out for ourselves. Supposedly, there is a third view of this whole circumstance that is a combination of both views. It is basically a half way stance for either side. God predestined in the sense that he offered a gift to us, the knowledge of all that we have been debating about. Now this is where the Free Will comes in. We have to accept this on our own accord, taking all that is around us and we ourselves make the final descision. I hope this makes sense. Now you could say, "What about those in the far deep jungles who possibly never had the chance to hear about it? Were they predestined to never know?" It says that they can know God through his marvelous works and all of the nature that is around them. Just take for notice that these civilizations had gods, maybe in sense, images of the one true God, just not with the same name. That my friends is another topic, which I for sure do not want to delve into right now. Just another gray area like shown above. I am not going to say with which side I believe in, but just leave it open for anyone who wants to discuss it. Have fun with this. :wink:

I think we get the point that there are spammers and always will. I see them as mage bank pkers when I want to just get my cape back. :XD: You just have to over look them and keep going. Oh and I take offense that I am not counted in the list of tipitchat people since the beginning. You didn't mention any of the mods. :-w Also to Fook-A-Ji: I too can find the stories annoying but as my first paragraph suggests, you just need to over look it and keep going. If for some odd reason you can't, then how do you deal with people outside of Runescape that act just the same? Last time I checked, pointing fingers and saying you hate what someone is doing is one of the most least effect demonstrations around. Not trying to offend you, because right now you are starting to annoy me. :?

As I said before, if you see problems with the debate I wrote, please criticize it or add to it. "I do not go with it" is not a valid argument. As I said before, I dont want to press my beliefs, I am just stating my opinion that I do not agree to the points. I am not trying to have an argument, I am just stating my perceptions of what I think about what you have written. Do I have to debate what you wrote, I thought this was a discussion.... -.-

I didn't just give a straight answer on predestination. I gave you the entire debate. You are welcome to point out flaws within the debate, but to say that I did not delve sufficiently into the debate is puzzling considering that I gave you the entire debate, from start to end, in the form in which it has been rehashed over and over again. You obviously did not read the last answer that you so deeply doubt. Both the intensity of conditioning and the sacrifice refer to the last answer about the majority serving as victims for the minority to witness. They have nothing to do with the Golden Rule or blood offering or whatever else you wish to fill in without first reading, in its entirety, what you are quoting. You obviously did not read my first line, because you obviously did not quote me. I said you gave me a straight answer which all Christians answer but if I do not go with it, then how can that be an absolute truth as you basically have stated. There are as I have studied three parts to the debate. I don't know what kind of debate you have heard but mine have gone deeper than you have stated. :wink: Oh and that second part just goes back to what I said, I do not believe what you have stated as truth for what a Christian would say. Why would you quote me with out quoting all that I said. You make it show that all Christians would answer in that way, but if I say I am a Christian, and I don't answer it that way, then the argument gets nullified. I'm sorry I've thought this going to go somewhere, but I guess not. :| Oh fyi, I did read it and in its entirety. :P

I find it hard that you can fill in words for a Christian because I thought earlier we discussed that we can not generalize, because truthfully, I did not agree to some if not all the answers you gave in blue. The one that got to me the most was the very last point. It goes into a whole part that even myself don't agree in. I said I won't press my beliefs on anyone but the argument you had can not be completed with a right or wrong answer. It goes into the debate of Predestination and Free Will, so I highly doubt a straight answer could be given like you have provided. Sorry I just had to go and point out on this paragraph. Alot of people follow by the Golden Rule (Do unto others as you would have done unto you) as a general statement for their lives. If this is such a strong intensity, I would fear what you count as mild or strong. Also what kind of sacrificial methods are you asking for as a Christian? I personally haven't sacrificed anything like a blood offering. :lol: I may have sacrificed that "fun" weekend with the booze but thats more of a morality issue rather than something with a "Christian god".

Woot I got the 54th page post! 8-)

If you're implying atheists can't appreciate life, you're mistaken. :) No not at all. :) I meant if you can go out, and see nature for instance and not think that someone or something was behind it, then good for you. People perceive things how they want to, and I dont want to bash anyone for that.

[Views are of my own] I do count myself as a Christian and believe that God is the ultimate being that loves and watches over me. I have accepted this as my belief on my own account. Now if you can honestly go out and see everything that is around you and not think that something great has done this, then good for you. I am not one to press my beliefs on someone nor one to condemn someone for being a "non-Christian". I believe people to have a free will to choose what they want to believe in. Everytime I read a Christian or Bible topic, I see ones that basically mock what I believe in. They are yelling that you are going to hell or what not if you are not saved. Single me out if you want but I show my love to the world by giving them their space and stand out if people want to come to me and ask. You will hardly see me the one standing on a soap box holding a sign "The World is Coming to an End!" Then what is Christianity? I see it as a belief in God and Him sending His son to die for us. We have the free will to choose this or to deny it. I personally have accepted this and lived my life after an example as such. (PM me for rebutle or comments because I most likely wont make it back to this topic)

*huggles for everyone*

I might as well step in here too. I used to go on regularly and just have a fun time in there. Mind you that I am retired while doing this so I log into Runescape for this chat. So honestly when other people are doing other skills and talking on the side, all I do is basically use that chat. Just thought I would get that out. It seems that it is "declining" but some people just like to be random. I try to have fun it what I do, and I try to have conversations of whatever it is. Sometimes they can be serious debates *rarely* but there also times where you want to bang your head against the desk. If you dont like it, dont go in there and you dont even need to post here. If you have a chat that you like, good for you. We all need to just find our place and if it is with one chat or the other, the job gets done. Also I would like to point out that the comment about the IQ being 75 points below the average scaper. I am most definitely only 74 points lower... \

Dalcyte is such a noob, but a hard working noob.

I am just that good, now get out there and get them goals done!

'Bout time Noob. Best of luck fudgy, you are my favorite type of chocolately desert!

I still remember 9/11 but I never hold ceremonies anymore. Yes it is something that wont be forgotten (from my standpoint) and should be remember but that does not mean we do or do not have to hold a ceremony of silence, etc. Also to all those that are publicaly making fun of 9/11 on purpose or jokingly, it just isnt right. Innocent lives were lost, but you can say the same thing with other situations. Sadly it was put that "One person lost is a tradegy, Millions of people lost is a number." It is a horrible way to look at it but it is still possible to do so. I will forever remember this day, just like I will remember what happened during WWII, etc. The only difference would be actually witnessing it.