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:thumbup: Lawn Bowls is far superior to curling ! That looks interesting. Pétanque is better though. :thumbup: It sounds so french, and it reminds me of vacation.

Twitter. Mobile Phones (I got one, but I kind of refuse to turn it on) and...curling. And energy drinks, how I hate them. And show news. Which is a program that brings you all the celebrity news. Most of the time it's about third rate celebreties as well. I also hate cooking programs. Especially when it's with hobby cooks who try to be so incredibly interesting with their designer kitchen and dishes that hardly have anything on it.

Nothing, two days before fathers day I gave him two bob dylan dvd's.

Hitler in my heart

Couldn't resist. 80 bucks, and I had vacation money so. \

The movie let me down. After seeing the trailer I expected a lot from this movie. Too bad all the good jokes were in the trailer.

Bonnie 'Prince' Billy - Death to everyone

#2 Hyper-Ballad

Joy Division - Insight (live at the Factory)

RoboCop Paul Verhoeven on his best (together with the horribly misunderstood Showgirls). Violent and satirical as always. That show right there, is old [Relatively]. Ben Miles is great though. And so is Sarah Alexander. :thumbup: Didn't know that you hadn't been introduced to it. Knowing you and your lust for entertainment. :D Yea, it's like 10 years old or something. I knew the series, but for some reason I never wanted to watch them (I guess the cover of the DVD wasn't attracive). A couple of months ago I showed my friend the League of Gentlemen, and he liked it so much. He asked if I had seen Coupling and wanted to show it to me. Turned out pretty good. Ordered the box of the series last friday. :P

Brian Eno and David Byrne - Mea Culpa

Bill Frisell - Lonesome

I really think it's Dan Mintz, though. Wasn't he from Alaska?

Naked City - Radio #1 Asylum

Trouble is, there is very little stuff that I would classify as underheard. That's something else. :)

Maybe it's Dan Mintz? He's from Alaska by the way, not Canada, but you were pretty close.

The Hangover I was a bit dissapointed. The movie didn't really succeed in keeping my interest. Also, the best jokes were in the trailer already. So, it was a not too interesting comedy which wasn't very funny either. Too bad, I had pretty high expectations. On thursday, a friend introduced me to the t.v. series Coupling, we saw the entire first season and it was really great. Lots of laughs.

There was some crazy sale at work...So I bought For my mother: Simon and Garfunkel - Concert in Central Park (DVD) For my father Don't look back (Limited edition 2-disc DVD) No Direction Home (2-disc DVD) For my brother: Pearl Jam - Immagine in Cornice (DVD) Ayreon - <01011001> (limited edition 2CD + DVD) Metallica - Black Album Documentary Dream Theater - Score (2-disc DVD) For my self: Björk - Post (CD) Ryan Adams and the Cardinals - Jacksonville City Nights (CD) Paul McCarney - Memory Almost Full (limited edition 2-disc CD) Bruce Springteen & the E-Street Band - Live in Barcelona (2-disc DVD) Oasis - Lord Don't Slow me Down (2-DVD set) For 18,--. Yes, that's 1.50 a piece. :')

Masada - Ne'eman

Haha, that wasn't what I meant. I meant that story isn't the most important thing when it comes to movies, but images. A story without the images would be just a story (a book), but those moving images without a story would still be a movie. It was a reaction against you saying that only a movie with a story could be a movie worthy of this list. Later it got bigger with the deepness and meaningfulness of it. It wasn't anything personal, I was just trying to point out that having rules doesn't work, using your view as an example (since it was the only one available). I know that everything is subjective, but doesn't that make conversation very boring? When you say something is interesting, deep or meaningful, and I disagree, then I should be able to talk about that, right? This is a discussion forum after all. You might show me new insights, I might give you a new perspective, and in the worst case (and you have to wonder how bad that really is...) we have to agree to disagree, but we still had a nice conversation where we've learned a little about each other.

I dont get what you are trying to say. Its not an extreme. You said that you thought those two movies were deep and meaningful (Forrest Gump and the Green Mile), I say that in my eyes they arent because everything they have to offer is on the surface and that they dont offer me very much knew ways to see their subjects. Next to that they are safe and have a lack of fire, in my opinion. Deep and meaningful. It depends, it can be a special movement of the camera, a line somebody says, the way a character looks in the camera those things can all be meaningful to me. I guess that one way of defining a deep movie for me is that it makes me look at a subject from a different perspective, but it is kind of hard to bring these things under words for me. Let me get this straight before I start - your argument is that I don't like to have fun? Well, maybe you like to have fun, but judging from the things you are saying youre seeing it as something inferior (serious movies > fun movies for example). The way you put it watching a comedy is basically a waste of time, watching a drama (the movies that supposedly make you think) isnt a waste of time. I dont really try to see one thing better as the other, but as equal. By your logic, killing a fly is the equivalent of mass genocide. No, it doesn't work that way. Do you even know what a strawman is? Haha. Never heard of a strawman. But when you are putting up rules made by a few people those few people are manipulating the outcome of that list. For instance (Im going to use your idea now), I would like to mention a movie called Bathing Beauty a movie that is full with the improbable stuff, its just an excuse for that, and I love it and its dear to me because of that reason, but I couldnt mention it because its content is mindless. That makes it impossible to make a correct reflection of the masses' opinion, doesnt it? Really? What do you have against messages? I have nothing against messages, but often I feel those messages are forced or even uninteresting. They arent brought over in a natural way, that ruins everything for me. So Id rather watch a movie without a special message, instead of being annoyed by a movie that brings its message in a wrong way.

Toy Story is just as deep as Pulp Fiction? :? That's no way to convince someone to stop favoring serious movies. First of all, the scenes are not played in chronological order but this very aspect actually augments the viewing experience. If they were played in sequential order, it wouldn't be nearly the same. Secondly, the bathroom scenes are utterly brilliant. Vincent goes to bathroom (a normal domestic routine) and then leaves, entering a [bleep] up reality (overdose, robbery, then finally death). Thirdly, the undefinable contents of the 666 briefcase being linked to the scarred neck at the beginning of the movie and also the Bible reference is one of the best uses of symbolism I've ever seen in a film. Finally, most of the characters all have their unique storylines but they're interrelated into the main plot. There isn't a concrete protagonist like in any other regular movie. One second you'll be empathizing for Vincent, then next thing you know you'll be empathizing for his killer. Toy Story: Talking toys that make you laugh and teaches you the moral of not letting jealousy get to your head. You can't tell me every movie is as deep and meaningful as every other one. Or perhaps I'm missing some hidden underlying message that's present in Toy Story? Well, you told me that with deep and meaningful you expect the movie to alter you life or something like that. I dont see how Pulp Fiction can do that (unless it is the film that made you want to make film or something like that, but then it could be every other movie, even Toy Story). The chronology of the scenes doesnt really make Pulp Fiction a life changing experience, neither does a bible reference or Vincent going to the Bathroom entering a strange world. And thats not a problem, it only becomes one when you only want deep and meaningful movies in your list. I bet there is a deeper thing about Toy Story by the way. I bet it's not for nothing that the two main toys are a cowboy and an austronaut. :) Nothing life altering of course, but it does make it extra interesting. But I'd have to see it again to say something useful about it. Yes, they are generic but what does this have to do with anything? I didn't say that any popular movie is automatically a bad one. No, you didn't. But it makes me wonder what it is about The Green Mile or Forrest Gump that makes somebody lie awake for hours thinking of that movie. Yea, they have a message, but it's pretty clear, right? The movies don't leave you with much to think about, in my eyes. I never purposely meant to leave out specific genres. All the movies that I deem as "worth seeing before you die" just happened to fall under pretty much the same category. There are scary movies I like - Zombie, House on Haunted Hill, Night of the Living Dead (I thought Suspiria was crap though). I just don't think they fit the list because they're more of a pastime than something you gotta do before you die. Okay, then it's just a difference of things we like to do before we die. I want to be serious, have fun, be scared and what not. You like to be serious all the time. : You really like using my words and taking them to the most extreme possible, don't you? Well, it's only the logical next step. Sorry. Yes, entertainment is good, but entertainment plus a message is better. I disagree. Not necessarily anyway.

Well, that's the idea right, that this thread is the reflection of the majority's tastes? : You can't have a "Tip.it list of 100 movies to see before you die" with 100 movies selected by three people. If we want something more personal we should do it this way.

Then I wonder what makes Pulp Fiction so much more deep and meaningfull than Toy Story. The same goes for The Green Mile or Forrest Gump, which are pretty generic movies if you ask me. From the movies you selected I think that with deep and meaningfull movies you mean serious movies. But you have to realize that not everything has to be serious, and an on first sight not serious movie can have some very serious things underneath the surface. Movies are horror, comedy, epic etc. not just drama. With the way you select you leave out a lot of brilliant movies. A good example is a movie like Suspiria, it lacks a deep or meaningfull story, it even has bad acting, yet it has been one of the most intense movie experiences I've ever had. And what's wrong with having a lot of FUN while watching a movie, that can be memorable too, right?

I wonder why though. Not that I'm especially a fan of Toy Story or Shrek, but it wouldn't be strange to say that a movie like Toy Story is of some importance in movie history. And it's at least enjoyable, and I bet that a lot people from 'our' generation have good memories with it. I don't agree on rules by the way. Everybody should enter what they think is good. If you want to have a 'rule' do it with collecting the movies that everybody suggests and then let them vote over what should be in the list. Don't limit people in their choices. What do you mean with 'deep and meaningfull stories' by the way?