Satenza

Yes, I am implying that. Our seeking of perfection (but never attaining it) gives us a purpose, a reason for life. Thats called the search for felicity. We are constantly wanting new and better things to bring about hapiness.

I love waking up early in the morning. Like 5AM. Then i savour my sleep.

Theres always violence and riots in Italian football games. Well, i bet it will open again sometime soon.

I would have fainted.

If we can't use science to understand God what can we use except pure assumption?

No, you are confusing the logics of the world and the physics of the world. Logic allows you to make predictions and declarations about the world by connecting the physics of the world together. Logic, however, would remain the same if applied to another set of physical laws. If the physical universe, for instance, had a force that was opposite of gravity, you could still use logic to make statements about the universe. The statements themselves change because the physical boundaries of the universe are different, but Logic itself remains the same. I thought if God existed then he would have created logic. Therefore I am making a prediction about God and the laws he created. Such as no uncaused cause. Therefore his existance would go against the logic he created. Logic doesn't have to apply just to the physical world it can apply to our thought and objects that do not exist.

No not really.

If we apply the logics of the world (that God made if he exists) then this would support the argument i made earlier. However i also said that we may not apply these things too God as he is not a material being. If we do that we are assuming he isn't logical and is defying his own rules.

Actually, the principles of formal logical, specifically the principle of causality states that all things in the physical world have a cause. The principles of logic do not make that statement about things that might or might not exist outside of the physical world. It is not a counter to your argument because your argument itself is fallacious. You are using logical principles that only pertain to the physical world for events or beings that exist (or do not exist) outside the physical world. I said my argument could be countered by that. However we are assuming non-material things do not need causes.

I disagree, deep south in america you say you're atheist and you're treated differently. A documentary i watched showed how admitted atheists have trouble getting jobs ect because of it. By Christians. At the moment Islamic religions are persecuted a lot more because of the whole terrorism thing and ignorant people.

America hasn't suffered a terrorist attack since septer 11th on their own soil. So if you're telling americans to move on because spain did so and they have not yet attacked again your point is valid. However i agree terrorists blow things up to up the media coverage of their cause.

My problem is though Religion have said they accept science in the past and the gaps science left they have filled with God. When the gaps close they accept science and then God becomes irrelevant to that particular thing. The same is happening with evolution. As you said Bari you beleive in evolution from animals yet don't beleive we came from the monkey. Theres not definite proof we did yet it's quite logical we may have done. Lets hypothesize that science explains that evolution is fully correct. What would you say then? That you accept sciences' explanation and then focus your beleif that God created the universe as science hasn't proved that yet. Sounds like you're actually just using God to fill the gaps science has at the moment. Like has happened in the past.

The Bible wasn't the cause of Gods existance if he does exist. The Bible was the cause of a lot people to beleive he exists. If the Bible didn't exist then God can exist because the bible did not create God. If it did then that would save a lot of questions about the logic of God being an uncaused cause. (1)Everything has a cause. (2)The Universe must be caused by something. (3)God created or caused the universe. Which the premise undermines the conclusion. I guess you could counter that with God being spiritual therefore not needing cause - which is faith. Or that infinite regress' are impossible which again doesn't neccessarily lead to a God.

That would mean i would have to be a perfectly abiding member on the forums and scratch away two warnings. Damn, anyway I'll never like anime, and i have modship on sodb so i can take away your signature and suspend your use of signature. But i won't, because I am nice most of the time. :anxious:

People dislike that idea as they beleive it is a step towards NWO. I think countries if they have a majority vote should HAVE to send a section of troops to fight for the UN.

Buddha sounds a lot more caring that God. I'd never curse against Buddha! Really though, i say Oh My God occassionally, i'm atheist but still it makes me feel like i am disgracing someones religion even though i do not mean to say it.

They have the ability to call on the armys of the countries part of the UN. Although i reckon there would be a few thousand from each country or something.

What do you mean? Also if USA invaded Sudan to change things how would they fight this movement? Are the rebels huge armys or insurgents like in Iraq and dotted around the country?

You'd like to think that, wouldn't you? :P I posted my picture on SODB Reb. So now you have no grounds to call me names. Also, i consider this a favour to you. You owe me. Hey Reb, remember when I said you owe me? Well i'm calling that in. Remove the anime signature!

Saved on my computer. I'll throw it up when i feel comfortable :D

Make notes, reduce, make notes, reduce, make notes, reduce.

Come on Bubsa, you know you only wear that thing to show yourself off. :lol:

whats that got to do with this thread?... If you want to see my stats, there in my sig...I do go to school. He says, (put bluntly): 'you sit on the computer all day, and will never be able to look like that at this rate'. ah, well, he doesnt know much about me :roll: . I wouldnt be surprised if I was in better shape then him. Rs helped me lose 40 lbs :shock: (im not kidding) I was suprised when seeing your picture on SODB. I thought you would be like weird looking, stereotypes are bad. Anyway yea you already look a little like those guys judging from the last picture. Also i don't understand why guys are like "Is this guy handsome" to girls. You know when a guy looks bad or good qnd you don't have to be gay to figure that one out. Insecure people.

My friend has used it a couple times and didn't really like it. I have never used it. He said it was perfectly fine to use, as did one of the gym trainers. However gym trainers probably don't have a doctors degree. :D

Annoying anime? :lol: And