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You'd make it a lot easier if you organized them better and didn't repeat yourself. If you want to open China's treatment of prisoners to scrutiny, and condemn them for the things they do, then you'd better be damn well prepared to condemn the treatment of prisoners in some other countries -- particularly those barbaric countries where prisoners are executed, and others held in secret off-site locations where they are routinely tortured. Hell -- in one of the more barbaric countries, some of their prisoners have even been waterboarded 183 times within a 30 day period. It's disgraceful! It's disgusting! Personally -- I'd rather be playing video games -- even if it is WoW ... China isn't the only country that doesn't recognize the U.N.'s definition of human rights. Islamic countries operating under Sharia law don't recognize it either. Not to mention that amongst the list of Universal Human Rights that ISN'T included is the "right to refuse to kill" -- but THAT's another issue entirely ...

LOL'd irl ...

The value of a human's life is universal. That is why systems like Amnesty International, as you thoughtfully pointed out, exist. Using it as a means to belittle the discomfort learning about situations like these might bring is a little uncalled for. For the rest of your post, though, I thought it well put. Kimberly -- we'd LIKE to think it is universal -- but it's not. We can claim it to be universal, but it doesn't make it so ... Honestly -- the value of human life varies from person to person, really. I've got three kids. I cherish them. They are a part of me. Yet my neighbour could put her baby in a dumpster tomorrow. Do she and I value human life the same? Hell no.

I hope this comment isn't directed at me ... :unsure: My contribution to this conversation is, mainly, for Jagex to finally own up and admit that they're either unable or unwilling to do anything about the botting problem. Sure, they talk a great game - but everywhere you go in game now -- all you see are bots, and nothing seems to be done about them, despite what Jagex claims ...

Stop pretending that anything you have to say is relevant. Really. Translation: I claim it happened -- so it must still be happening -- even though the authorities have taken action against it. Am I the only person who's read the above quote? Really? I must be. The rest of you are running around with your arms flailing and mouths dangling open -- and you're all up about how terrible this whole thing is -- and all I can see is drama queens being drama queens making drama queens make drama. This clown got out of jail four years ago -- got out of China lord knows how long ago (?) -- and now he's spilling his guts to anyone willing to write about him in the papers. Old fricken news is old fricken news. It's so nice now that, prior to this story, none of you had a conscience about this issue -- and eight hours from now, most of you won't have one then either. You didn't give a rat's ass about the condition of Chinese prisons. If you did, you would've all donated your five bucks a month for Runescape membership to Amnesty International a long time ago, and stopped playing video games. Don't blame me if this is the first time most of you have felt any tweaks of guilt and all I can do is point and laugh at you. China's got a lot of things to answer for, sure. They've maltreated their prisoners. Sure. This is the least of them. For effing sure. But you've also got to keep in mind a whole lot of other things: 1. China is a sovereign nation -- what they do within the confines of their own borders to their own people is their own business. If you don't agree with that, then let's open EVERYONE to scrutiny and take a look at how EVERYONE treats their prison population. You'd likely find this less appealing though -- some countries actually murder their own people in prisons and call it punishment. 2. The value of an individual's life, the rights that are determined to pertain thereto, varies from country to country. Don't expect any country with over a billion people in it -- to house, maintain and adjudicate -- to have the same concepts of "human rights" and values as your own Western democracy purports to have. 3. If the idea of "forcing" someone to play a video game is your idea of mistreatment -- then, you've a LOT to learn about the cruelty of the world ...

Hyperbole MUCH? :lol: Who writes your stuff? Glenn Beck?

Dwarven mine next to the resource dungeon is the "Mining Guild" -- but I will add the others ... ;-)

Point is: Waterboarding is torture. Being beaten with a rubber hose is torture. There's a long list of things that are torture. Playing a video-game is not on that list. Nor will it ever be. ... and four year old news is four year old news the world continues to spin on its axis unabated ... There's been a lot of other more newsworthy stories come and gone since then, and none of them are a concern with your gaming experience. Tell me is your life changed dramatically, in any way whatsoever, by discovering that those poor Chinese inmates were being made to play video games four years ago? Really? No. Really? No. Didn't think so. Fricken drama-queens every one of you ...

*wipes brown off my nose* I hope this is better. Fixed it -- used the "royal we" for more effect ... It's now so pro-Jagex, it makes me nauseous -- *retches* -- which means it is near perfection ... :lol:

Not all penal systems are the same, and considering that China has about 10x the number of "politically subversive" prisoners that the US has you can't make a direct comparison. And despite that, the number of human's rights violations by the Chinese Penal system is extensive: "The Chinese penal system, which lacks a fair judicial process, employs an extensive network of forced labor camps in order to reform criminals through labor. Its purpose, however, is to remove political opposition from society while simultaneously improving the economy. Worse, as an institutional tool for the government to stifle political opposition, the penal system almost inevitably employs the use of both physical and psychiatric torture. In such a penal system, torture is justified as a means to secure confessions and the compliance of political dissidents. In the absence of due process and improper criminal procedures, coupled with the enticement of profit-making, prisoners are susceptible to illegal organ harvesting and trafficking globally." China's human rights record is appalling. APPALLING! The actions they commit against their own people in the name of law and order is absolutely gawd-awful. On the scale of one to 10, with one being the worst and 10 being the most lenient "forcing" prisoners to play video games is, roughly, one-million-and-six. On a scale of world-wide issues ranging from world peace, the Arab Spring, the death of bin Laden, the world economic crisis, flooding, tornadoes, earthquakes, the Sudan, Israel/Arab relations and everything else not to mention that the rapture is coming on May 21, 2011 October 21, 2011 a news story that, some FOUR YEARS AGO, the Chinese were "forcing" prisoners to play video games for money, isn't even a distant BLIP on the radar of what is newsworthy or of any concern, at all. Jesus Christ, people, get some PERSPECTIVE already ...

[hide] Did you even read the article? Why yes, as a matter of fact I did -- didn't you? Shall I read it for you? Once upon a time in a land far far away, there was this place where bad people went and they banged rocks, fletched chopsticks, read books and played video games. It was all such hard work. The end. :rolleyes: Satire does not become the situation at all. This is a major problem which the public has had at least an idea of in the past - where people who were either poor or enslaved had to do stuff like this. Truthfully I thought that China had "outlawed" the sale of virtual gold. If prisons are doing this, then it's a pandemic that can't be stopped by simply going to the Chinese government [again] and asking nicely. On the contrary, it's a hilarious situation. You've got murderers, rapists and goodness-knows what other types of known criminals who, instead of being punished through hard-labour, are now all huddled in front of computer screens playing video games -- and complaining about it ... :rolleyes: Are you trolling or just completely ignorant of world affairs. [/hide] I should ask you the same question – seriously. Are you so dense as to think that this really has ANYTHING to do with "world affairs"? Really?

Not instead of, in addition to. Did you read the article? Yes, yes, yes -- I am sure that his entire story is 100% factual and we should all feel sorry for these poor downtrodden criminals who are all innocent of the crimes that they've committed been jailed for didn't do. ... and after a hard days work "banging those rocks together", they were then "FORCED" to play video games ... I mean WOW -- that is some fricken HARDCORE nasty [cabbage], right? Oh and -- :rolleyes:

[hide] Did you even read the article? Why yes, as a matter of fact I did -- didn't you? Shall I read it for you? Once upon a time in a land far far away, there was this place where bad people went and they banged rocks, fletched chopsticks, read books and played video games. It was all such hard work. The end. :rolleyes: Satire does not become the situation at all. This is a major problem which the public has had at least an idea of in the past - where people who were either poor or enslaved had to do stuff like this. Truthfully I thought that China had "outlawed" the sale of virtual gold. If prisons are doing this, then it's a pandemic that can't be stopped by simply going to the Chinese government [again] and asking nicely. On the contrary, it's a hilarious situation. You've got murderers, rapists and goodness-knows what other types of known criminals who, instead of being punished through hard-labour, are now all huddled in front of computer screens playing video games -- and complaining about it ... :rolleyes: Further proof that you did not read the article. Not all of these people are the low point of society, "Liu Dali was imprisoned by the Chinese government in 2004 for 'illegally petitioning' it to end the rampant corruption in his hometown. He was sentenced to 3 years at the Jixi labor camp." [/hide] Oh -- yeah -- how silly of me. Everyone's innocent in prison, right? :rolleyes:

[hide] Did you even read the article? Why yes, as a matter of fact I did -- didn't you? Shall I read it for you? Once upon a time in a land far far away, there was this place where bad people went and they banged rocks, fletched chopsticks, read books and played video games. It was all such hard work. The end. :rolleyes: Satire does not become the situation at all. This is a major problem which the public has had at least an idea of in the past - where people who were either poor or enslaved had to do stuff like this. Truthfully I thought that China had "outlawed" the sale of virtual gold. If prisons are doing this, then it's a pandemic that can't be stopped by simply going to the Chinese government [again] and asking nicely. [/hide] On the contrary, it's a hilarious situation. You've got murderers, rapists and goodness-knows what other types of known criminals who, instead of being punished through hard-labour, are now all huddled in front of computer screens playing video games -- and complaining about it ... :rolleyes:

Did you even read the article? Why yes, as a matter of fact I did -- didn't you? Shall I read it for you? Once upon a time in a land far far away, there was this place where bad people went and they banged rocks, fletched chopsticks, read books and played video games. It was all such hard work. The end. :rolleyes:

Please feel free to add any other obvious botting spots and/or your name to the support list. Thanks. [/hide] No offence but, I do not think that post is the right approach. Jagex doesn't respond to anything that has the tone of anti-Jagex anymore. All the post needs is a rewording with a lighter tone and it will get player attention and Jagex won't be able to dismiss it as negative. On another note, all of the yew trees around Falador are full of bots. Even barbarian village mine has bots these days... Hey! Re-word it then. I'm not known for my cuddly approach when it comes to dealing with Jagex, but if you think you can re-word it so that it's sweet but to the point (and by "you" I mean ANYONE, not just the "you" you) then by all means, have at it. :) The point I want to get across is that there's way too many fricken' bots in way too many fricken' obvious bot locations, and judging by the sheer numbers of fricken' bots being employed in the fricken' game, right fricken' now, Jagex isn't doing a fricken' thing about it ... ... and yes, I WAS trying to sound like Dr. Evil just then ... :-P Oh -- and I added the woodcutting spots to the list of "obvious bot spots" ...

I just find it kind of hilarious TBH -- this image of chubby bloated couch potato-esque prisoners being "forced" to play computer games -- as opposed to the physical demand of hard labour ... :lol:

Why spend money and effort on feeding, clothing and housing slave labourers when you can program a hundred thousand bots to do the work for you? :rolleyes:

All right then, let's make a "detailed" list of known popular botting locations – so that it can be submitted to Jagex in the RSOF – for their attention and action. Please feel free to add any other obvious botting spots and/or your name to the support list. Thanks.

I checked the basement under Draynor Manor and found this: Is this new? :unsure: You cannot unlock the cell door, but there's a possible crawl space through the wall behind it? :blink:

5 lvl 100's will NOT win 99% of the time, 5 lvl 138's probably will if they know what they are doing... Trust me, 5 level 100's WILL win 99% of the time, if they know what they're doing. Hell -- THREE of us have taken two alking bots for a "boat ride" and won, every time, on the Veteran boat. All you need, is to know how to play. :shame:

1000th post ... ANY 5 players can win at PC on the veteran boat consistently -- and by consistently I mean 99% of time -- all you need is to know, is how to play it.

LOL -- ^THIS^ is a perfect example of over-moderation. You offer with one hand and slap with the other. Is this one of the attributes that's specifically sought after in mods and admins on this forum? :rolleyes: Uhhh what? I have no idea what you're trying to say. Why couldn't you ask the former question without interjecting the latter? Why do you feel compelled to make such remarks? Because once again, you're criticizing without making any viable suggestions. And your sarcastic second comment is going to compel me to offer viable suggestions, how?

LOL -- ^THIS^ is a perfect example of over-moderation. You offer with one hand and slap with the other. Is this one of the attributes that's specifically sought after in mods and admins on this forum? :rolleyes: Uhhh what? I have no idea what you're trying to say. Why couldn't you ask the former question without interjecting the latter? Why do you feel compelled to make such remarks?

The thread was moved into the correct forum and made open to wider discussion rather than just letting it be a rant. Unless you dislike that there's a wider discussion, then there's no problem with the move. Mods and admins are answering proposals, points and questions raised by users. There's no point in having a discussion on moderation without moderators involved in it. The discussion is on our policies so we'd be completely stupid to just ignore the thread. If we didn't post you'd be complaining about that too. ... and so the absurdity that a commentary about over-moderation, on a thread that is being over-moderated by moderators, doesn't seem, well, poignant to you or anyone else? :unsure: