using what weapon are u stepping in every 2, every 1 or straigh up melee the 360s? Chaotic rapier, you step back after each round of the 360s but it is really easy and you dont even think about it once you've done it for one of them, all you do is stand with a 1 square gap between you and the 360. Right-click attack ready as soon as it's about to launch a fireball attack and then half a second later click back on the tile that's all there is too it, they usually die in 4-5 hits of a rapier (turmoiled and overloaded) :P if I need hp I can try and soulsplit the 180s or I can also just use the brews I took since I dont drink many mainly after overloading. I've tried Longsword there too, it's not great for the timing vs the 360s as it doesnt equate to 1:1 round it's more like 1:1.5 it's really effective versus Jad himself though, and the whole cave would take around 3-4 minutes longer than the Rapier.