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@ Gidion Don't worry mate, thinking back to some of my replies, I sure do look like an angry nerd sometimes!

I was comparing how something IRL can affect you, not the scale nor the consequences. The thing is, you're kinda assuming I'm fuming by myself in front of my computer frantically writing in hopes I'll change the entire gaming industry. I'm upset more in the sense that I am annoyed by botters and how they affect my gameplay. They won't make me quit or anything, but if they were to get perm banned, that would certainly make me grin.

@ Howbadisbad Your last assumption makes me realise you have no idea why the trade limits were implemented and I'm not gonna get into that argument once more, it's been said too many times on these boards already. Remember, a survey showed that 10% of the playerbase is interested in PVP.... not enough to make a huge change in cashflow for Jagex.

I was showing how weak the argument that what someone else does, has no effect on me. It simply is not true. Every bot contributes to the freak economy we have by either devaluating or inflating some items' value. BP contributes to higher gas price (the gas we buy today at the pump was sold months ago as "futures" deal) and that oil leak will affect me in the end via environmental disasters, higher fish and clams prices and so on. With an amoral playerbase and a games developper that looks to have lost faith in its rules, I don't foresee great things in the future for RS.

Chill pill taken. Would you say the same thing if you ever get hacked or wrongly banned? Would you say, eh! it's just a game! Someone else corrupted my account, but eh! it's just a game, I won't let the actions of someone else affect me! Reality check here buddy: There's a spill oil in the Mexican Gulf, someone else did it, it will only affect the people living near the coast and except the higher price I'll pay, I don't give a damn? I want BP to pay the same way I want the botters to pay. I don't like cheaters getting away.

@howbadisbad We are on agreement that Jagex anti-botting system is a joke and it certainly looks like they need the money... @Saruman44 I started the falconry topic to see if it was something new. It turned out many posters came to defend the botters and it somewhat shocked me that members of Tip.It were okay with botters. I had never discussed botting because I though it was a marginal problem that was eradicated a couple years ago. Yes I hate botters, but I also hate those who don't condemn them. I won't stop talking about it until the problem is gone.

Your lazy if you bot your runescape account while you go to work? Ok. A lazy Rs'er no doubt. A cheater and everything that goes with it. Botting breaks the economy more than it helps it. It gives undeserved wealth to some and encourages inflation (people with undeserved money tend to not care how much they pay for their items). So you would rather pay double price for certain things than have bots? Ok. OT: Pure awsome As I tend to skill a lot, I rarely buy things through the GE, so the things I sell are cheapened because there are countless botters out there pouring items in the economy that would otherwise not be there, hence driving prices down because there is too much offer. One of the reason some items are that expensive is because some cheaters find themselves with extra cash and don't care how much they pay for their items because a machine will get them more in-time. So demand is driven by cheaters and helping prices be that high. Prices have gone way up since the trade limits have been implemented. SInce players cannot buy their cash via trades, they "buy" their cash via botting. Since a lot of cheaters find themselves with lots of cash to spare, they competition each other for items, driving prices up. PVP statuettes are not the only thing affecting the economy buddy...

Your lazy if you bot your runescape account while you go to work? Ok. A lazy Rs'er no doubt. A cheater and everything that goes with it. Botting breaks the economy more than it helps it. It gives undeserved wealth to some and encourages inflation (people with undeserved money tend to not care how much they pay for their items).

Quoted for the truth it holds. You may be onto something. The fact that Jagex remodeled their front page to have a disney add for a while and aren't instant perma banning bots is a bad sign. Maybe they will add the wildy back so more people will start playing (My hope and dream ofc) :D Or should we start the forum R.I.P Runescape (date it crashes here) <-- the second true death of Runescape Rest assured that if that ever happens, then RS will truly be on its last miles...

I've heard the same arguments towards third world countries and cheap salaries. People want their clothes cheap and don't care if it means cheap labor and poor life conditions at the end of the line. It's not uncommon, in fact Howbadisbad's position isn't an extreme one, it's just an "immoral" one, but shared by many. And yeah, we are 4-5 against 1 because not many players have the courage to say they cheat their levels and gold.

Yea I'm so jealous. I wish I could get a program to play a game for me, because as you astutely pointed out Runescape requires me to sit around my house all day while botters, I assume such as yourself, are out getting all the hot chix and drinking bacardis and having sweet rave parties and greeting other people by doing that thing where you point both of your fingers like guns and go "pshew pshew" like the sound guns make, and then you go beat the [cabbage] out of some nerds because math is for [bleep]s, and it's the only way for you to assert yourself over those losers with no social lives. I get the feeling howbadisbad is going to pull a BloodArgon, and we'll see a post from him in the "I got banned" thread explaining how he's quitting after his umpteenth macro account got banned. But hey, at least in the meantime you've managed to put dem nurds in their place, right? I lol'd reading this because you put things in such hilarious terms, while assuming that by "have social lives" I meant going to huge parties and being like a boss. Tbh, if I was a bot I would laugh at the people who play legit (beat their asses irl by omali's standards) because I got the same thing as them with much less work, and I had fun (rave parties by omali's standards) And yes I will come back on this thread and say: OMFG JAMFLX BAND ME WTF DOOD I WUZ UNLY BOTIN FOR AL 99'S OMFG I QUIT RIP FAQSCAPE (Insert date when I was banned here) Don't worry mate, I know you'll crawl into your hole the day you get banned. Did you pay RL money to purchase your bot ?

And you sound like you are jealous of those who did = Stalemate there For a near maxed player liek you, bots should never get in your way, only help you as item prices are cheaper because of bots. Jagex needs their subscription money atm so they don't perm ban. I don't buy my levels so prices are not a variable here. I don't mind sounding jealous compared to a botter, like Omali said, you are probably the new Blood Argon. If Jagex are indeed that bad in need of money, then we are really on the verge on the game falling apart.

@ Howbadisbad, If you are botter, then you deserve to be banned on both RS and Tip.it, plain and simple. If there are no moderators here to moderate your assumptions, then I'm gonna start treating you like the botter you are. I hope there's a shift coming towards botters from Jagex and I hope you get perm banned for botting. @ Omali Great post as always. Omali strikes again for the good cause!

And yet again, you sound like you botted your levels. I never used bots and never wish I had used them. I play this game to have fun and when a bot gets in my way, I hate it. I never wanted to be a p-mod but I find myself wanting that status more and more everyday to weed out the bad seeds. But that would be a temporary solution...there needs to be harsher punishment for cheaters.

@ howbadisbad, I may sound jealous, but you sound like a botter... I prefer to sound jealous. These assumption games can be played both sides buddy.

What you need to understand is that some people are not just in it for the lowered price, they themselves bot their level and are trying to rationalise it.

Making topics about bots is not a fad, it's the result of frustrated players and the effect bots have on them. Jagex needs to deal with this issue before it becomes widely accepted and a common practice. What we are facing is RS becoming known as Botscape and a joke in the industry.

Your opinion on things change when jagex alters the game to the point its almost unrecognizable and the problem is still there. I and the community for that matter didnt decide overnight that bots were acceptable. For the longest time i was on that anti bot crusade. Everyone was, we all hated the bald, green men who were killing the game. Jagex added the trade/pvp updates and suddenly they disappeared. We had to adapt and accept such a radical change. But when it comes down to it is Jagex fault in the first place that people bot in the first place. For reasons ive been explaining throughout this thread. This isnt the same game it was back in rs classic or even early rs2. Jagex has the time and the recourses to add new fun ways to train skills. I guarantee much of the bots are people in this catagory who are sick of the (boring) grind. I dont mind the fact that it takes 100's of days to max out. But id like to enjoy it while i work on that goal :P. You are just rationalising using bots to prevent yourself having to train the proper way skills you hate. People who bot and blame Jagex are delusionnal. The fault lies with the person botting and the reson behind the usage of bots is not because the grinding is boring. It's because they want either lvls or GPs without having to gain them with actual effort. Call it laziness, greed or "having fun playing the game", in the end these people are breaking the rules and should be removed from the game. If the playerbase wants to play this game AFK, they should really question themselves why they are playing this game.

I never thought I'd see the day where botting is glorified on Tip.It... Really shows that the people claiming the community was better back then are probably right! Yes I care when there are people botting and grabing the ressources I'm trying to get. I have fun when I click, not so much when I'm battling against a machine that cannot be convinced to leave for its own good, unlike a player getting beaten over and over. Jagex will have to make a decision if their game become plagued by massive botting, the playerbase will slowly fall apart and move to different games. I'm still waiting for the day they start banning permanently account and credit cards, that would be quite a deterent.

Well it's been nearly a week since I reported the macroer and sadly, he's still on the highscore with 17 more hunter lvls... If Jagex won't do a thing about macroing, can't they at least make it an official world for all botters to compete one against the other? Yeah I know, what a stupid idea, but that would be loads better than what we have now, right?

I saved about 150K so far using it slaying and hunting. That amount is bound to get bigger in time. Like someone else said, you are bound to get about 500K xp prayer casually playing over the course of your "career", that's about 10M in cash, not a game breaking item, but certainly somewhat valuable.

Nice summary Ca2theone. Other notables left out, kingduffy with most skills ranked 100 or better, ERW J with nearly 1,8Bil and Drumgun zooming in on his 7th skill at 200M.

Lol I hope you're just trolling nah a harsh punishment would be a very nice deterrent, it might even convince you that botting is bad!

Perm ban and credit card perm ban... Now we are talking!

Somehow I'm not surprised that Zarfot would not waste skills with combining xp like woodcutting and firemaking. I'm pretty sure he will level his combat skills via slayer and dungeon.