baron8000

Procrastinators unite! some time next tuesday.

well we have an update - I think it is my provider and yes it does suck, there's been some controversy over them in the media lately and *touch wood* it seems to be speeding up - WoW and RS are playable again and its generally usable again. Thanks everyone who posted though.

quick Bubsa! fetch Yuna! We must perform the sending of the hormones! (apologies to people who don't get it)

um no, where the hell did I say anything at all like that? In fact I'm staunchly against the Iraq war, I was merely highlighting the suffering in all the other places of the world that people often ignore whilst focusing on only the parts that involve or affect them. If you think I want that than you have failed to understand me entirely. I want people to either be non-discriminatory in their aid or stop harping on about it. War is rarely a solution - aid and peaceful diplomacy often is.

Yea slightly misread your point there. The prime reason for current situation is in western culture. The number of muslim-muslim wars on 20th century for example wasn't THAT great. They weren't unexistant, but we've seen west-west wars too in a lot larger scale. Probably the best way at the moment would be to build good connections between USA+allies and with the muslim countries. It might be hard at first with all the things done by both sides, but in my eyes it's worth it. We don't need to convert them into western culture or turn into their culture. Both can stay what they are aslong as they got the same aim which is peace. After all the reason for this bothsided hatred is in acts, not cultures or their differences. Limited but important natural resources are one of the "best" ways for wars to start. To start a war you need a reason which usually is power. With a resource that's as limited and important as oil, it's not a miracle that it's one of the main (but not the only!) for powerpolitics. It doesn't matter does over 70% of Y country's oil come from counry X at the moment, it's more important who got big enough stock when it really is almost out. Please, open your mind. When we take examples from other places too than Iraq, we enlarge the view and show new points/proofs/whatever to our thoughts. Seems we are in agreement, once again I agree with you on the resources what I meant was it "shouldn't" be a reason, whilst I realise unfortunately it is. I think perhaps a good area to start would be an amalgamation of the Red Cross and Red Crescent and similar organisations - show off the good parts of western life whilst not forcing it is the key I feel. Its certainly possible - look at Saudi Arabia - many many aspects of Western culture and stability yet retains its Muslim law and culture, then look at countries "we" have intervened or pressured - Libya, Iran, Chechnya (by Russia) need I say more? I feel as though I'm preaching to the converted now so i'll finish up.

NEWS FLASH: THIS THREAD ISN'T ABPUT SUDAN, ETHIOPIA, ZIMBABWE, OR VENEZUELA! Maybe bolding words will help you think straight! so they don't matter? don't you care? there are people DYING! Don't take the holy righteous campaigner side, daring to condemn me as uncaring when you are in fact oblivious or ignorant of all the other tragedy in the word. Who is worse? Me who keeps quiet and doesn't attempt to ram my ideology down others throats and does his best to help others in an everyday situation, or you, campaigner for whichever war is currently in the media spotlight - I ask you - what have you done to help out these poor unfortunates? Have you put your money where your mouth is? Served? I'm sure the Iraqi citizens will be so happy you wrote some really nice things about them on the internet. All or nothing bub. Hypocrite. Also, way to dodge all the other questions I asked you. I don't expect you to understand most of this, but do try.

I think you have me slightly wrong there, I agree with you on that its perfectly possible for the middle east to gain stability and peace (although there have been plenty of muslim-muslim wars both fairly modern and ancient, they just get ignored) and I think reading through your point that we share the same view. I believe (as you have stated) that the prime cause of modern tension in the middle east is western intervention and attack - meddling where we shouldn't be. Israel is a perfect example as you stated and is a whole other issue that I won't go into. I think we need to pull out, leave them be, help them in other ways that do not include war - demonstrate to them the benefits of Western culture and they will realise the positives and step away from fundamentalism and terrorism - shoving our ideology down their throat along with a grenade will not help. Also, natural resources is no reason to invade a country although im unsure of your point there.

see, this is what lag causes, double bleddy posts

forgive me :oops: my parents were lured by the free calls funnily enough i've been testing with that over a dew days, this was done past midnight, during peak times i've been getting as low as <30kb/s download.

You still made stupid comparisons - whether you meant to or not by comparing terrorism to a child you imply the existence of an adult - a benevolent overseer who's job it is to bring the child round to the right way of thinking and im sorry buddy but the world just doesn't work that way. "People are suffering from the acts of a group of people from theirselves" this sentence doesn't make sense, sort your grammar, make a point, then i'll answer it. yes people are DYING but not just in Iraq, they are dying in North Korea, in Zimbabwe, in Ethiopia, in the Sudan, in Venezuela. Do you care about them? where are all your caring posts about these tragedies? Hypocrite. I also never said I didn't care, I said I didn't sympathise learn the difference - as regrettable as it is I feel it is not my country's place to intervene and try and act as world police - not in my name. Also, the chips and soda quip was cute, but I prefer orange juice thanks.

THIS IS NOT A CAT THIS IS NOT A CAT This is to demonstrate that putting big bold letters doesn't change the fact that those were pretty big comparisons. And please say you aren't using the example of a child to represent middle eastern culture. As for the middle eastern situation I fail to sympathise any longer - the region has always been war torn - mostly from their own doing and will probably remain so for decades with or without intervention. The foreign groups and other institutions there are there through their own choice and decision. Not in my name.

QFT, my parents were like that, and now I realise how lucky I am to have them such a way - the world can be dangerous for a 15 year old wherever you live, although you probably won't listen to this (I know I wouldn't have at this age) but its not as safe a place as you think, and you arent as all-knowing as you believe yourself to be (not calling you arrogant, most teens are).

Heres the problem, I recently moved home and had non-cable broadband installed with a free router. It worked perfectly for the first couple of days with speed plenty fast enough (the speed is either 8 or 10mb). Within the last few days however the speed has taken a nose-dive - it takes nearly half a minute to load a simple web page compared to less than a second before, RS and WoW are nearly unplayable and downloads are simply impossible. Both computers on the network suffer from this and resetting the modem/router hasnt helped. The best bit is the only place I can get the line tested is on a premium rate number from virgin media . Can anyone help me?

But where do we draw the line between sticking to your morals, and blindly and stubbornly refusing to take advice or realise your faults? Couldn't agree more on the US though, any administration needs to be questioned and quite rightly so. Now somebody reply to that huge post I made earlier, that took a lot of writing dammit!

slight incongruence there surely...

We must remember that in almost all cases when a dog attacks it is either the persons fault, the owners fault, or an accident - a dog won't ever attack out of sheer calculated anger - don't blame the dog. Hope you recover quick though, you might get lucky and have a cool scar :wink:

I think its simple, loving is not something that a human is born with, more something that is learned or realised later on in life. This realisation can happen at any time during a person's life - be it in their early teens, later teens or never at all - its certainly possible to see people who have never learned to love. So to put an exact age barrier is silly, you don't just hop over the line of love on a certain birthday, but in no way are you just born capable of knowing and understanding love either, in my opinion that can only come through experience and care.

[wagon], you have beliefs you can't spell, and if God is God he can escape your logical paradox, funny that. Go back to your sandbox.

I turned 18 yesterday, when do I get my heart in a giftbox? So I didn't love my gf two days ago, but do now? BS.

I'm glad too, bloody horrible things. The lengths the landlords have gone to is brilliant, this guy for example. http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,, ... 72,00.html Failed in the end, but isn't the idea brilliance.

What MRSA crisis? You mean that bug that's been hugely exaggerated by the media is actually dying off? The NHS is in the best state it's ever been, and certainly a lot better than it was under the Tories. The idea that the NHS is in freefall is just false, and if there are any stresses on it, it's because of the expensive prices of new drugs and an aging population, not the actions of the government. The MRSA crisis that currently kills 7,600 minimum per year (with people perfectly capable of dying without it ever being identified) in NHS hospitals, whilst in privately owned hospitals (BMI health for example) has 0, this is not a typo, 0 and thats blood cases, not deaths. The governments policy of renting out cleaning contracts to the lowest bidder and giving the anti-infection teams of hospitals no say in the matter is the cause of this. Also you have sidestepped the issue of PFI and tory area closes - strangely enough Tony Blair also refused to answer questions on PFI. I'll elaborate on how personally i've been affected by these closures. In my area there are two hospitals, Hospital A is accessible from more than 2 major motorways, has helicopter capability, is ranked the best in the country for certain areas of medicine and attracts medical specialists from across the country. Hospital B is smaller, accessible by one small road and is a considerable distance from the city. Hospital A is threatened with closure, Hospital B is not - guess which is in a tory/labour area. The NHS is the worst healthcare system in Europe with many preferring to go abroad for treatment - I cannot understand how this cannot be seen to be a failure. Blair killed Kelly? Correct me if I'm wrong, but tragic as his death was, he committed suicide. He certainly wasn't a 'victim' of Blair. As for comparing Hitler to Blair... it's like comparing chalk and cheese. Blair went into Iraq because he believed (and yes, I think he genuinely did) that WMD were in Iraq, and to remove the Iraqi people from tyranny. Now, I don't agree with him, but I can't fault him for going to war on those criteria. If ever there is a 'good' reason to go to war, those are it. As for Hitler... well I'm not even going to go there, because like I said, comparing the two is pointlessly stupid. The reasons for Kelly's suicide as you very well know was his use as a scapegoat and media spotlight by the government - ok so he didn't jab the knife in personally but his actions had an effect. Believing that there were WMD in Iraq doesn't make the slightest bit of difference - he was wrong, he screwed up and thats a no no for a prime minister. The Hitler remark was quite obviously hyperbole but both characters waged a war they believed to be correct (different scales of course, but the point stands). Again, believe what you like. Stats show crime is actually going down, and where stats show it's going up, there are enough staticians and police officers to say this is only because people report more crimes now. As for prisons, I'm not too hot on this issue, but I hear Gordon promises the construction of new prisons to deal with this problem. As for the pensioners, that's a weak argument. Not to mention ironic. People have never received as much benefits as they do now with New Labour, including pensioners. I find the issue usually with pensioners isn't that they can't afford to pay, it's that they refuse to. That's not the government's problem, they had their chance to control taxes during local elections. I'd also point out it makes them criminals... Then what about the recent gun epidemics of Manchester and London? Prisons are full, because of Tony Blair's refusal to build more earlier in his rule, and judges are now asked to give shorter sentences or non-prison punishments to alleviate this - hardly a success. Pensioners do not get more benefits, in the last 5 years the WFP payments both my grandparents receive are insufficient and without independent savings (which my grandmother can only access because my grandfather is deceased) she would not be able to support her home. Going 35 in 30 mile an hour zone makes you a criminal, doesn't mean you should go to jail for it - maybe the government should ask why they won't/can't pay, rather than jail anyone who disagrees. Taxes I have no problem with, stealth taxes and a focus on one class I do. Do you think its right to steal dead peoples belongings? Or tax the arts out of existence. Perhaps the best indicator of this is how far the "no tax day" has reached - the day when people stop working to pay taxes and instead start working for themselves - has moved from May 27 in 1997, to June 10 this year, almost all of this through stealth taxing. Correction... ALL races are asked to hide their religious icons in the workplace and in schools. It just happens to be the case that Christian symbolic trinkets can be hidden, while Sikh turbans can't (as was the case with that women at British Airways). If Christians are told to hide their trinkets while other races aren't (when they can be hidden), then yes, that's prejudism, but I've yet to come across such a case... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6229098.stm - Christian girl told to remove her chastity ring or face expulsion, whilst Sikh children wear bangles freely. I couldn't care less whether anyone wears anything religious or not in schools, but it has to be all or nothing. There's a key and important difference and you know it - tolerant of people's values means accepting and allowing them to continue - not pandering to every whim and scapegoating anyone who dares to crack a racist joke or similar - perhaps the late Bernard Manning is a good example of this "racist bigot" the papers have called him - yet the man was personally asked to perform at a West Indian cricket captain's birthday - hardly a hated racist. It irritates me so much when people throw around the word "offended" nowadays - it means nothing anymore. Perhaps I can sum this up with my general view - I don't care what your views and beliefs are, provided they don't affect me do whatever the hell you like - just don't expect me to change the way I live for you; I have values and traditions too. eh? you think people shouldn't have control over their own affairs? Or did I misinterpret. Finally I'm not liking all this comparing to the tories - I couldn't give a diddly squat about what the tories did in comparison (i'm certainly not one) and being the lesser of two evils does not make him a success.

Oh ginger, I regret having to do this I really do. saved the NHS? Poured money into managers, penny counters and pencil pushers whilst refusing pay rises to nurses. The MRSA crisis in itself needs no introduction. The use of PFI hospitals to make their expenditure look less, whilst it is massively more. The deliberate closure of hospitals in conservative areas to favour labour areas (which has affected me personally). Iraq? Morals and heart? sorry to exaggerate but Hitler thought what he was doing was right, it doesn't make the slightest bit of difference. Dr David Kelly was another tragic victim of this prime minister. My final grievance is his constant attack on the middle classes and their finances - inheritance tax continues to be a huge burden, with government's believing it is ok to take 40% of a person's belongings because they are no longer around to defend them. The massive taxes on the arts as well - my uncle recently bought a painting and is forced to pay 25% of its worth every year in tax, meaning every four years he buys the painting again, and again, and again. Justice is also falling to pieces, jails are full, judges are incompetent and not replaced or punished, gang culture, knife and gun crimes are all on the rise but don't worry! Fox hunting's banned! and all those inconvenient pensioners who can't afford to pay their council tax (which is by the way, rising hugely over the rate of inflation) because of their lack of pension and declining winter fuel payments are locked up safely where they can't hurt people with their walking sticks. And finally the "hooman rights culture" that our illustrious leaders dear wife has brought upon us. Christian children not allowed to wear trinkets whilst other religions are allowed similar trinkets in state schools, political correctness making everyone afraid of offending anyone and the steady trickle of power away to Brussels. So conclusion? Disappointment, a BIG one, the man even employs John Prescott, Jesus wept...

The curse of the Humans' rights bill strikes again

Was it a fail for Jagex? No was it a fail for the people who voted I don't know? Hell yes, the biggest phail in phaildom.

That would be me, and no it wasn't (and heres the key word) caused by the anti-semitic policies of Hitler's government. World War two was caused by by Hitler's policy of expansion (or lebensraum - loosely translatable as living space) and the invasion of Poland. The persecution of Jewish people begun as soon as Hitler came into power in 1933 and gradually built - it wasn't even just Jews, Hitler also tried to destroy the Christian church and persecuted every part of society that didnt fit - blacks, gypsies, homosexuals (ironic huh) it was in no way just the Jews - so I stand by my statement that WWII was not caused by religion or religious persecution. Also to warrior and assassin thanks, it gets a bit irritating at times and I do largely agree with you on fundamentalists and literalists.