Duke -

 

 

 

I don't know what you consider to be the "larger" price fluctuations versus the "smaller" price fluctuations. I consider a 20% change in whip prices over two months to be a "large" change.

 

 

 

In the end, though, you really have no idea what the "supply" of whips is versus the "demand" of whips. Therefore, you are unable to conclude that this "large" change is due to supply and demand getting out of whack, and finding a new equalibrium at a lower price. I'm quite aware that classical economic theory states that supply versus demand sets prices, and certainly in a much larger sense this is true of RS (if there were 10 million blue party hats floating around, the price of blue party hats certainly would be lower than where they are now), but that's not what we are talking about here.

 

 

 

Are you saying that you think the recent price fluctuations in whips are due to supply outstripping demand? All of the external data point to the fact that whip demand should be going up faster than whip supply, and prices should be rising instead of falling. External sources report massive increases in RS membership over the last year. Many servers (and entire new hosting sites in new countries) have been added to address this member growth. At the same time, there are less than 10k players with 85 slayer.

 

 

 

My view is that these price fluctuations that we have been seeing are much more due to psychology and perception than supply/demand imbalances causing prices to seek a new equilibrium.

I don't know what you consider to be the "larger" price fluctuations versus the "smaller" price fluctuations. I consider a 20% change in whip prices over two months to be a "large" change.

 

 

 

20% over a two month period in RuneScape isn't that large to be honest. Merchants already trade whips with nearly a 5-10% profit range. What I mean with small price fluctuations is that the price at which (most) whips are sold during a day may be between 1.6-1.8mil, the price range. Those small "fluctuations" are based on different perspections of the 'right' price and are actually caused by, what you may call loosely, 'short term' supply & demand (the actual amount of people wanting to buy or sell a whip at a very specific moment in time on the market).

 

 

 

In the end, though, you really have no idea what the "supply" of whips is versus the "demand" of whips. Therefore, you are unable to conclude that this "large" change is due to supply and demand getting out of whack, and finding a new equalibrium at a lower price.

 

 

 

I'm still not getting what you're trying to say with this though. It is impossible in both rs AND rl to really determine the supply and demand of various products -> that doesn't make the basic price equilibrium theory untrue in any way though.

 

 

 

All of the external data point to the fact that whip demand should be going up faster than whip supply, and prices should be rising instead of falling. External sources report massive increases in RS membership over the last year. Many servers (and entire new hosting sites in new countries) have been added to address this member growth. At the same time, there are less than 10k players with 85 slayer.

 

 

 

I'd love a link to your 'external data' or just the actual numbers from it and your reasoning how you concluded that demand should be going up faster then the supply. I strongly question your actual factual research for these strong claims you are making here. Sorry, I'm not a person who is convinced by words as "massive increases in RS" - especially not since I seem to be observing different trends myself.

 

 

 

My view is that these price fluctuations that we have been seeing are much more due to psychology and perception than supply/demand imbalances causing prices to seek a new equilibrium.

 

 

 

I already pointed out that psychology plays a central role in economics overall and directly influences supply and mostly demand - that is nothing special for untransparent markets though.

 

 

 

Either way, simple supply & demand theory states that people thinking that "whip prices are 1.6mil" when there are more people who want to buy at 1.6mil then people wanting to sell for 1.6mil doesn't make the price 1.6mil (but higher instead). In other words, the prices don't become 1.6mil if the supply & demand aren't roughly equal at that price (which can only be possible if demand drops relatively to supply).

 

 

 

What you seem to be saying is that the demand increases, while the perspection of the price decreases and while the supply doesn't keep up with the increased demand -> that goes against the whole supply & demand theory though (given that there are no other external reasons why the perspection of the price decreases: i.e. substitute goods).

 

Are you saying that you think the recent price fluctuations in whips are due to supply outstripping demand? All of the external data point to the fact that whip demand should be going up faster than whip supply, and prices should be rising instead of falling. External sources report massive increases in RS membership over the last year. Many servers (and entire new hosting sites in new countries) have been added to address this member growth. At the same time, there are less than 10k players with 85 slayer.

 

 

 

My view is that these price fluctuations that we have been seeing are much more due to psychology and perception than supply/demand imbalances causing prices to seek a new equilibrium.

 

 

 

I don't know what world you're living in, but in the one I play in, whips were 2.5 million when I started playing less than a year ago, and have steadily dropped to 1.6million. From what I hear, they'd been steadily dropping from 10 million to 2.5million in the year prior. Don't know how you translate that into "fluctuations", to me that says pretty clearly that 10k people with 85 slayer = a lot of whips per day into the economy, and the number of whips lost per day must be like...5 or 10. I'd expect whips to stabilize around 500k in a few years.

Duke -

 

 

 

You aren't making much sense to me, and I guess I'm not making much sense to you, so I'll end the discussion.

 

 

 

First, though, I will try to clarify one thing.

 

 

 

You say that: "It is impossible in both rs AND rl to really determine the supply and demand of various products -> that doesn't make the basic price equilibrium theory untrue in any way though."

 

 

 

In a real world economy, huge amounts of data are generated regarding actual supply and demand for commodities. I review such data every day. Suppliers adjust their supplies and prices based on these data. In the stock market, you can look at trading screens that show very detailed information regarding the volume and price of every actual and pending trade. I won't debate with you whether a "whip" is more like a loaf of bread or a stock, but I will note that all whips are made by the same manufacturer (JAGEX), and are completely fungible, whereas bread is made from different recipes by different manufacturers and isn't fungible.

 

 

 

My point is that you have no objectively verified data on how many whips are either created or sold on a given day or the prices at which they are sold. Therefore, you are unable to test how closely price movement is correlated with supply and demand in this virtual economy. You're just speculating. Of course, I do expect that there is some correlation, as I pointed out in an earlier post, but I note that prices in the rare market, where there is a finite supply that is actually declining, have fallen. In your world view, this indicates that less people must want the most elite status symbols in the game. In my world view, I think the lack of a transparent market forces buyers and sellers to make decisions that are based on their PERCEPTION of fair prices than on actual supply and demand.

 

 

 

I'll end it there, and move on to other things. All the best.

Sorry, but you just don't seem to understand what supply and demand theory is. It is not like supply = x and demand = y, independent of price, perception and whatever.

 

 

 

Supply is a function of the price, which increases as the price increases. Demand is also a function of the price, which logically decreases as the price increases.

 

 

 

The actual supply and demand at a certain price are already based on the perceptions of individuals - people never agree that one price is really the 'right' price. However, we do have a price equilibrium, which is that price where supply and demand are equal.

 

 

 

The effect of an untransparent market is that the actual supply and demand functions are not known to everyone involved in the market. This leads to people trading at other prices than the price equilibrium (but does not change the price equilibrium!), which in turn leads to arbitrage opportunities, which is exactly what merchants make use of.

Gee, I don't understand basic supply/demand theory?

 

 

 

I guess my advanced degrees in economics were for naught then. :-(

 

 

 

Oh well....

 

 

 

Given the fact that you seem to be predisposed to condescending to other posters, I spent a few minutes looking at your price data chart just now.

 

 

 

I should have looked at this before I responded to your first post to get an idea about to whom I was speaking. I wouldn't have bothered responding.

 

 

 

The chart is complete rubbish, of course, and is as useless as it is wrong. You pretend to have all of this data that you just don't have, and you try to turn your speculation into fact. The data here are unknowable by anyone by JAGEX. You are plotting "prices" on the chart, as if you know these numbers. You don't, and you just make yourself look foolish when you act like you do. Without good data, which you will never get, you are chasing something ethereal that you will never catch, and you'll just keep convincing yourself of the truth of your own speculations along the way. Others, such as me, will remain unimpressed. But I hope you have fun.

The only things that are not going down in price are rares.

 

 

 

The Editor clearly hasn't followed the development of rares price throughout the last ~7 months. :lol:

 

 

 

However there's another group of people contributing to the overall downward price trend: Skill cape hunters.

 

 

 

I don't get the arguement why skill capes lead to a decrease in the price of material prices if it has any effect on the prices of materials at all. 'Skill cape hunters' need masses of specific materials to train the 'buyable' skills (fast). For the non-buyable skills, gathering those specific materials is usually not the fastest way of training, hence supply caused by skill cape hunters would be smaller then demand caused by skill cape hunters if you ask me --> I'd say skill capes rather lead to an increase in the prices of material prices. In fact, looking at the material prices used in production I believe they actually rose, rather then dropped.

 

 

 

Yea that makes sense...

 

 

 

Fastest way to train wc is willows not yew

 

Fastest way to train fishing is monkfish not sharks

You can't just call every autoer "bad". You know all the level 3's normally cutting yews? They use RSDemon. They want the most money for the least amount of effort. They're the ones ruining the economy. While there's also something called SCAR. Too say it briefly, Runescape's economy depends on SCAR. Otherwise everything would at least double it's price, causing many things such as High-Alching steel plates to make you lose profit instead of gain profit. Everything would be thrown out of balance. SCAR are the autoers you don't see. They're the ones with 55 combat, which have conversations with you. They're the ones that solve every random. They're the ones that you have no clue that they exist. When you think of macro, the average legit player thinks of, "Lvl 3, with default clothes". You're wrong. Thats the "bad" macros. SCAR (More commonly known as SRL) has even made a script in which it reports RSDemon macros. Since we understand that they ruin the game. I've messaged Jagex admitting that I macroed to report macros. Then I showed them a list of the 487 players that I reported. They read that message, and I'm not banned. They understand that we want to help Runescape. And I personally think that they're enjoying us helping them. I just want you guys to understand that not all autoers are bad. We don't just auto for skills or money. I personally have never done this. I really only want to learn how to program Pascal. And I'm just using Runescape as my testing facility.

 

 

 

RSDemon=Bad.

 

Us(SRL)=Good.

 

 

 

You have to understand, without us, Runescape wouldn't be what it is today.

 

 

 

-Dunce

I don't think I really care about people who supposively have studied economics, apparently learned nothing from it and aren't able to take me seriously.

 

 

 

Nah, I don't even want you to be impressed.

In this article, the Editor says that discontinued items are declining in numbers and that prices would go up. For a few months now, I've seen small rares going down in price. Green masks were around 22m at thier highest, now they're 17m. Santas were 24m at thier highest, now they're 18-19m. These rares are still falling in price.

That was a great article... one of the best I've read here so far.

 

 

 

Seems the bot market will never go away entirely :(

You can't just call every autoer "bad". You know all the level 3's normally cutting yews? They use RSDemon. They want the most money for the least amount of effort. They're the ones ruining the economy. While there's also something called SCAR. Too say it briefly, Runescape's economy depends on SCAR. Otherwise everything would at least double it's price, causing many things such as High-Alching steel plates to make you lose profit instead of gain profit. Everything would be thrown out of balance. SCAR are the autoers you don't see. They're the ones with 55 combat, which have conversations with you. They're the ones that solve every random. They're the ones that you have no clue that they exist. When you think of macro, the average legit player thinks of, "Lvl 3, with default clothes". You're wrong. Thats the "bad" macros. SCAR (More commonly known as SRL) has even made a script in which it reports RSDemon macros. Since we understand that they ruin the game. I've messaged Jagex admitting that I macroed to report macros. Then I showed them a list of the 487 players that I reported. They read that message, and I'm not banned. They understand that we want to help Runescape. And I personally think that they're enjoying us helping them. I just want you guys to understand that not all autoers are bad. We don't just auto for skills or money. I personally have never done this. I really only want to learn how to program Pascal. And I'm just using Runescape as my testing facility.

 

 

 

RSDemon=Bad.

 

Us(SRL)=Good.

 

 

 

You have to understand, without us, Runescape wouldn't be what it is today.

 

 

 

-Dunce

 

 

 

So you are basicly saying we should be using one type of macro instead of another?

 

 

 

It's still cheating no matter how hard it's to spot an autoer! And cheating isn't fair for those acctually trying to have fun.

No, I'm not saying that YOU should use one type and not the other, but rather realize that all macroers aren't just level 3's. The harder to spot a macro, the less aware you are of it, right? The less aware you are, you forget about macros. And you just think that the economy is great, since everything's cheap because there are legit players working hard? RSDemon goes against all these principles, they're extremely easy to spot, you're aware that people macro, you complain and put pressure on Jagex to try to stop these macroers. Jagex then puts on a bluff saying, "8,000 bots are reported daily!" which isn't true. In a year if it were true, you'd have a million or so bots being banned annually. If there weren't any Level-3 macros, you would think that the game is full of legit players, and you could still enjoy yourself without 10 level 3's stealing your yew tree.

 

 

 

-Dunce

No, I'm not saying that YOU should use one type and not the other, but rather realize that all macroers aren't just level 3's. The harder to spot a macro, the less aware you are of it, right? The less aware you are, you forget about macros. And you just think that the economy is great, since everything's cheap because there are legit players working hard? RSDemon goes against all these principles, they're extremely easy to spot, you're aware that people macro, you complain and put pressure on Jagex to try to stop these macroers. Jagex then puts on a bluff saying, "8,000 bots are reported daily!" which isn't true. In a year if it were true, you'd have a million or so bots being banned annually. If there weren't any Level-3 macros, you would think that the game is full of legit players, and you could still enjoy yourself without 10 level 3's stealing your yew tree.

 

 

 

-Dunce

 

 

 

I'm a fisher, I haven't seen any yews in fishing guild.

 

But I still see your example - however: Try log in manually and walk into fishing guild and you will see a lot that is obviously autoers but aren't level 3 and aren't wearing brown shirt with green pants. So acctually according to you it's not the "Bad autoers" how is my personal royal pain in the rectum ([wagon]) but the "Good autoers" which gives me an good reason to be angry at you. The only thing that sound attraktive in the "good"(?) cheating is the auto reporting but still I believe nobody should be cheating using any software.

 

 

 

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Here's what I don't get:

 

 

 

There are over 560,000 players with 70+ attack, most of which probably want to buy and train with a whip. There are around 10,000 players with 85+ slayer.

 

 

 

Now for supply to outstrip the demand every person with 85 slayer would have to get 56+ whip drops just to make get the supply/demand at an equilibrium. There's no way that everybody has that many whip drops, so how is supply and demand pushing the prices down? I don't think it is, but I don't have any opposing theories of my own, so I'll just shut up now :-X .

Alright, let's start off with this quote, which in the SRL community we say a lot.

 

 

 

"If I see you with lvl-3, crap name, crap clothes, I WILL REPORT YOU" Then we add some faces of devils and all after that :) .

 

 

 

Now, since I'm not a member in Runescape. I have never been to the fishing guild. But I know for a fact that there are not any scripts (Bots) for the fishing guild in SRL, that could be abused by "leechers". (Basically, someone who just joins the forums, downloads the bots, and never posts constructive criticism, etc.). Personally, all my autoing accounts are level 60 combat, and have full rune. So, I don't have a clue about the fishing guild bots, it may be something other then RSDemon, and SRL. But I'm not sure. RSDemon is only for woodcutting.

 

 

 

Well the fishing guild autoers are everything between 3 and 30!

 

Well, what makes you think that they are bots? Not talking back? We have that in SRL :). The same movements over and over again? We have random movements in SRL. The way they look? Once again, all my autoing accounts are lvl 60 with full rune. As far as I can see, my accounts look like the normal legit player.

 

 

 

So... if I see 25 "players" between lvl 3 and lvl 30 all fishing sharks - not speaking - wearing n00b stuff and have only one skills on the high score which is fishing that is above 80. I wouldn't see them? I doubt. It took me a long time and 65 combat levels before I reached fishing guild. Anything in any high-level guild with combat level below 50 and that doesn't speak would be spotted by me!

 

 

 

Well, I round all my skills to around the 40's. And then I may have fishing at 60 or so.

 

 

 

And also what about "skillers" people that don't train their combat skills, but only fishing/woodcutting/whatever else. They normally have very low combat, but high levels.

 

 

 

The opposit of my opinion - I think the economy is wrong because nothing is expensive and therefore I can't earn money on selling anything.

 

But if you were buying items. Like said in the article about getting skill capes. Let's use RuneCrafting as an example. So, you want to get 99 RuneCrafting, and mining millions of essence would take forever, so instead just but it for 15 ea. But if autoers weren't around, essence would cost somewhere around 100 each. Basically making getting 99 RuneCrafting 7x harder.

 

 

 

So does SRL they are still there making the price low even if we can't see them and we will still complain to Jagex because of the low price and they don't know what to do because they can't see the cheaters. Which means the game will be ruined.

 

 

 

Well, I believe that the majority of the people would be happier, or at least accept the low prices. But, if you do see the bots. You'd (Legit players) complain to Jagex about the botting problem. While if you didn't, people wouldn't think that there are so many bots, and therefore not complain about the problem as much to Jagex.

 

 

 

They did say:

 

"We currently ban about 8000 accounts every week for trying this sort of cheating, and for a long time that kept things under control."

 

It's weekly not daily!

 

No. of banned per week*times*No. of weeks*equals*No. of banned annual

 

or:

 

8000*times*51*equals*408000

 

That's not even half a million but close!

 

 

 

Hehe, I knew they said something like that, but forgot whether it was days/weeks/years. But still, Jagex has recently completed the milestone of one million members. Well imagine going to a members server. Walk around the whole map, and repeat this for every single member server. 4/10 of all the people you saw would be how many people are reported annually. That just doesn't seem very accurate.

 

 

 

Fishing guild is filled with non-level 3 autoers that are still easy to spot! RuneScape will besides never be filled with legit players as people will always find a new way to cheat.

Rules are made to be broken. In my opinion if you can notice one of these bots, they should be banned. It's basically a giant game. Tom and Jerry. Tom (the mouse/Autos) is trying to hide from the cat, if he gets seen, Jerry (the cat/Jagex) tries to eat him. But if you look like a skunk, Jerry would avoid you right? But, if you look like a mouse, with a white line going down your back. Jerry would know that you're a mouse, but wearing a skunk costume, and then eat you.

 

 

 

So if there were a ton of skunks around, Jerry would just think that skunks like to live where he is, and that would be the end of it.

 

 

 

If Jagex suddenly allowed autoing, nobody would care anymore right? Since they'd be doing the same thing, and it would turn into a game of who can create the best bot right? So really, we just like to break the rules :).

 

 

 

-Dunce

Meh... I don't like the idea about the selling gp... It's just wrong and gives an unfair advantage. If Jagex were to do that, I'd quit right away.

 

 

 

Nice article, although some of the prices were off. Something has to be done about those autoers. They're killing the economy...

aznmidget448, please check my posts on the previous page before making assumptions about autoers.

 

 

 

-Dunce

 

Now, since I'm not a member in Runescape. I have never been to the fishing guild. But I know for a fact that there are not any scripts (Bots) for the fishing guild in SRL, that could be abused by "leechers". (Basically, someone who just joins the forums, downloads the bots, and never posts constructive criticism, etc.). Personally, all my autoing accounts are level 60 combat, and have full rune. So, I don't have a clue about the fishing guild bots, it may be something other then RSDemon, and SRL. But I'm not sure. RSDemon is only for woodcutting.

 

Well, what makes you think that they are bots? Not talking back? We have that in SRL :). The same movements over and over again? We have random movements in SRL. The way they look? Once again, all my autoing accounts are lvl 60 with full rune. As far as I can see, my accounts look like the normal legit player.

 

 

 

So if you have never been in Fishing guild you don't know the problem. Okay, the "players" might have public off. But how come that 50% of them don't even respond to random events? Random goes through any chat filter!

 

 

 

And even with 50 60+ with full rune fishing sharks all not speaking seems suspicious to me! Especialy if they don't respond to a Random.

 

 

 

Well, I round all my skills to around the 40's. And then I may have fishing at 60 or so.

 

 

 

That's still not high enough to fish sharks!

 

 

 

And also what about "skillers" people that don't train their combat skills, but only fishing/woodcutting/whatever else. They normally have very low combat, but high levels.

 

 

 

At least they speak or react on randoms!

 

 

 

But if you were buying items. Like said in the article about getting skill capes. Let's use RuneCrafting as an example. So, you want to get 99 RuneCrafting, and mining millions of essence would take forever, so instead just but it for 15 ea. But if autoers weren't around, essence would cost somewhere around 100 each. Basically making getting 99 RuneCrafting 7x harder.

 

 

 

If I can't sell for very much where can I get the money for buying the stuff just cheap.

 

 

 

Well, I believe that the majority of the people would be happier, or at least accept the low prices. But, if you do see the bots. You'd (Legit players) complain to Jagex about the botting problem. While if you didn't, people wouldn't think that there are so many bots, and therefore not complain about the problem as much to Jagex.

 

 

 

We might not know that it would be because of. But we would still complain about the low price!

 

 

 

Hehe, I knew they said something like that, but forgot whether it was days/weeks/years. But still, Jagex has recently completed the milestone of one million members. Well imagine going to a members server. Walk around the whole map, and repeat this for every single member server. 4/10 of all the people you saw would be how many people are reported annually. That just doesn't seem very accurate.

 

 

 

8/10 fishers in fishing guild is autoers so if 4/10 is banned there every week there would still be 4/6 of autoers. :-s

 

 

 

Rules are made to be broken.

 

 

 

So imagen that you are working, collecting something, to get something and mean while there's 5 other people not working for anything but just collecting it and reciving 10% of what you are promised. Wouldn't you be angry. Try your self to creat a newcomer account with 1 in every skill and try reach 80 mining with out using any kind of macroing! See how long it would take!

 

 

 

In my opinion if you can notice one of these bots, they should be banned. It's basically a giant game. Tom and Jerry. Tom (the mouse/Autos) is trying to hide from the cat, if he gets seen, Jerry (the cat/Jagex) tries to eat him. But if you look like a skunk, Jerry would avoid you right? But, if you look like a mouse, with a white line going down your back. Jerry would know that you're a mouse, but wearing a skunk costume, and then eat you.

 

 

 

So if there were a ton of skunks around, Jerry would just think that skunks like to live where he is, and that would be the end of it.

 

 

 

That makes no sense! :-s

 

 

 

If Jagex suddenly allowed autoing, nobody would care anymore right? Since they'd be doing the same thing, and it would turn into a game of who can create the best bot right? So really, we just like to break the rules :).

 

 

 

If Jagex suddenly allowed autoing I would quit. The idea of the game is to work to earn something just like in real life.

 

 

 

And like in real life people use machines to do the boring work then the humans who used to do it will have no job and therefore earn no money not being able to buy anything to eat. Unless they do it cheaper than the machines but they can't as the machines demands no payment!

 

 

 

Now try to imagen competing against 5 autoers and you are a legit player. It's not fair as you need sleep and time to be away from the computer while the autoers don't!

 

 

 

As I said in another topic - this time modified a bit:

 

"If you are cheating you are a d!ck, and if you kick a d!ck it will hurt for the d!ck."

 

Replace the "!" with an "i"

So if you have never been in Fishing guild you don't know the problem. Okay, the "players" might have public off. But how come that 50% of them don't even respond to random events? Random goes through any chat filter!

SRL has full protection against all randoms except Evil Bob :D So it does respond/solve them.

 

 

 

And even with 50 60+ with full rune fishing sharks all not speaking seems suspicious to me! Especialy if they don't respond to a Random.

 

Once again SRL has auto-talking capabilities, if someone says your name, it responds and then can hold a conversation with you.

 

 

 

That's still not high enough to fish sharks!

 

 

 

Hehe, that was just a certain example, like if it were woodcutting, it would be enough to cut yews. But also, I level up levels on my accounts that I may never use.

 

 

 

At least they speak or react on randoms!

Already answered :P

 

 

 

If I can't sell for very much where can I get the money for buying the stuff just cheap.

I believe most people in RS get their cash from "pking". But then the question is how do the others get their cash?

 

 

 

8/10 fishers in fishing guild is autoers so if 4/10 is banned there every week there would still be 4/6 of autoers.

But then next week (Without new bots being made...) it would be 2/6, then eventually 0/6. But as I said, new bots will be made :(

 

 

 

So imagen that you are working, collecting something, to get something and mean while there's 5 other people not working for anything but just collecting it and reciving 10% of what you are promised. Wouldn't you be angry. Try your self to creat a newcomer account with 1 in every skill and try reach 80 mining with out using any kind of macroing! See how long it would take!

 

 

 

Trust me, I played legitly for 3 years, I got 82 mining, 78 fishing, 80 cooking, 71 woodcutting. I had a lot of skills. So I do know how it feels, and how long it takes, which played a part in making me start macroing. That and also that I got a keylogger and lost all my money/items...

 

 

 

That makes no sense! Eh?

Hehe, late at night, and had to try to find an example, it was the first one that popped to my head. :).

 

 

 

If Jagex suddenly allowed autoing I would quit. The idea of the game is to work to earn something just like in real life.

And yet years and years of work only results in a phat? Mere pixels, that could easily dissapear and you just wasted a few years of the best part of your life, your childhood.

 

 

 

Now try to imagen competing against 5 autoers and you are a legit player. It's not fair as you need sleep and time to be away from the computer while the autoers don't!

As said before, I do know how it feels...

 

 

 

As for the quote, it doesn't have anything specific to do with autoing. Sorta like saying. If you kick a kid, the kids gonna cry.?

 

 

 

-Dunce

SRL has full protection against all randoms except Evil Bob :D So it does respond/solve them.

 

Once again SRL has auto-talking capabilities, if someone says your name, it responds and then can hold a conversation with you.

 

 

 

When you say conversation do you mean something like:

 

 

 

 

Hehe, that was just a certain example, like if it were woodcutting, it would be enough to cut yews. But also, I level up levels on my accounts that I may never use.

 

 

 

Why are you actual training if you use autoers, 'coz if you are autoing you don't really care about the game or the community as you would ruin it with autoing!

 

 

 

Already answered :P

 

 

 

O rly?

 

 

 

I believe most people in RS get their cash from "pking". But then the question is how do the others get their cash?

 

 

 

I.L.O:

 

International

 

Labour

 

Organisation

 

 

 

Makes no sense but think:

 

Basicly either you get your money from skill or pking but since there will always be more players (not-autoers) who skills earning money. They are the workers of RuneScape they deserve fair labour!

 

 

 

But then next week (Without new bots being made...) it would be 2/6, then eventually 0/6. But as I said, new bots will be made :(

 

 

 

Why are you sad about bots then you are advetising for an autoer software?

 

 

 

Trust me, I played legitly for 3 years, I got 82 mining, 78 fishing, 80 cooking, 71 woodcutting. I had a lot of skills. So I do know how it feels, and how long it takes, which played a part in making me start macroing. That and also that I got a keylogger and lost all my money/items...

 

 

 

I have also been playing for 3 year on my account right now! It's low leveled because I all ways play fair and straight! If I didn't cared about the game I could be Zezima a long time ago!

 

 

 

Hehe, late at night, and had to try to find an example, it was the first one that popped to my head. :).

 

 

 

Socialist Repel Lt. Veltia volunteers for service? Which Capitalist should be killed today?

 

 

 

And yet years and years of work only results in a phat? Mere pixels, that could easily dissapear and you just wasted a few years of the best part of your life, your childhood.

 

 

 

No because it's a challenge and you only do it in your spare time if you are sensible! I have wasted 3-4 years of my childhood playing RuneScape - I don't regret anything! Besides in real life, real cash is also worthless it's plain paper and metal. Besides if the inflantation in RuneScape keeps going we will end up in a community like 1920's Germany where the money was worth nothing!

 

 

 

As said before, I do know how it feels...

 

 

 

No you don't know how it feels if you want to ruin it for the other people trying to work against Autoers!

 

 

 

As for the quote, it doesn't have anything specific to do with autoing. Sorta like saying. If you kick a kid, the kids gonna cry.?

 

 

 

Yet it does have things to do with autoing - everything does:

 

If you are autoing you are cheating

 

 

 

Which turns it into:

 

"If you are autoing you are a d!ck, and if you kick a d!ck it will hurt for the d!ck."

 

Replace the "!" with an "i"

When you say conversation do you mean something like:

Lol, thats just someone who doesn't speak English well. Not an auto-typer :). Since you program them to say, if found A, then say B.

 

 

 

Why are you actual training if you use autoers, 'coz if you are autoing you don't really care about the game or the community as you would ruin it with autoing!

 

 

 

Well, auto too much, Runescape dies. So in a way, I do care about the game. If Runescape dies, what else would I practice programming on?

 

 

 

O rly?

 

 

 

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Basicly either you get your money from skill or pking but since there will always be more players (not-autoers) who skills earning money. They are the workers of RuneScape they deserve fair labour!

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, but when the autoers but a phat or something, all that money goes right back into the economy.

 

 

 

Right?

 

 

 

Why are you sad about bots then you are advetising for an autoer software?

 

 

 

I'm not trying to advertise, but rather just trying to change some peoples points of view on the subject of autoing :). I understand botting is ruining Runescape, I've reported 1,854 people so far for macroing from running that script (Mentioned before).

 

 

 

No because it's a challenge and you only do it in your spare time if you are sensible! I have wasted 3-4 years of my childhood playing RuneScape - I don't regret anything! Besides in real life, real cash is also worthless it's plain paper and metal. Besides if the inflantation in RuneScape keeps going we will end up in a community like 1920's Germany where the money was worth nothing!

 

 

 

Many people player RS in ungodly hours. And I never really have spare time anyway :).

 

 

 

No you don't know how it feels if you want to ruin it for the other people trying to work against Autoers!

Ooo...trust me on this one. Before I started autoing, I was just like you. I HATED autoers. Everyone I'd see I'd start spamming to report him, and reporting him over and over again. I was totally against them.

 

 

 

Which turns it into:

 

"If you are autoing you are a d!ck, and if you kick a d!ck it will hurt for the d!ck."

 

Replace the "!" with an "i"

 

 

 

Okay so...?

 

 

 

If you skip school, you're a skipper., and if you kick a skipper, it will hurt for the skipper.

 

 

 

I really don't get this line :P

Lol, thats just someone who doesn't speak English well. Not an auto-typer :). Since you program them to say, if found A, then say B.

 

 

 

So how come a few points:

 

*Must new autoers are from China and Asia?

 

*It understands a phrase like "faster" but not "bye" while "bye" is one of the first words you learn?

 

*There's no such thing as "morey" in RuneScape but the person keeps asking for it?

 

 

 

Another thing with your "OMG Try out this cheat you can't spot it!!!" try read the lyrics of a Gorillaz song:

 

 

 

Once upon a time at the foot of a great mountain,

 

there was a town where the people known as Happyfolk lived.

 

Their very existence a mystery to the rest of the world.

 

Obscured, as it was, by great clouds.

 

Here they played out their peaceful lives,

 

innocent of the litany of excess and violence that was growing in the world below.

 

To live in harmony with the spirit of the mountain called Monkey was enough.

 

Then one day, Strange folk arrived in the town.

 

They came in camouflage, hidden behind dark glasses, but no one noticed them.

 

They only saw shadows. you see, without the truth of the eyes

 

the Happyfolk were blind...

 

 

 

Falling out of airplanes and hiding out in holes.

 

Waiting for the sunset to come, people going home.

 

Jump out from behind them and shoot them in the head.

 

Now everybody dancing, the dance of the dead,

 

the dance of the dead. the dance of the dead...

 

 

 

In time, the Strangefolk found their way into the higher reaches of the mountain,

 

and it was there that they found the Caves of Unimaginable Sincerity and Beauty.

 

By chance, they stumbled upon The Place Where All Good Souls Come to Rest.

 

The Strangefolk, they coveted the jewels in these caves above all things,

 

and soon they began to mine the mountain,

 

its rich seam feulling the chaos of their own world.

 

 

 

Meanwhile, down in the town, the Happy folk slept restlessly, their dreams invaded by shadowy figures digging away at their souls.

 

Every day, people would wake and stare at the mountain.

 

Why was it bringing darkness into their lives?

 

 

 

And as the strange folk mined deeper and deeper into the mountain,

 

holes began to appear,

 

bringing with them a cold and bitter wind that chilled the very soul of the Monkey.

 

For the first time, the Happyfolk felt fearful,

 

for they knew that soon the monkey would stir from its deep sleep.

 

Then there came a sound, distant *at first, that grew into a *castrophony so immense,

 

that it could be heard far away in space.

 

There were no screams.

 

There was no time.

 

The mountain called monkey had spoken.

 

There was only fire.

 

And then,

 

nothing...

 

 

 

Oh little town in USA, the time has come to see

 

there's nothing you believe you want

 

but where were you when it all come down on me?

 

Did you call me, no.

 

 

 

No think about it - The "strange" folks can't be seen just like your autoers. Yet the "strange" folks do something they shouldn't - Just like your autoers!

 

 

 

The only thing is that the happy folks (players) wants to live in peace with "Monkey" (JaGeX). But because the stange folks (autoers) mines into the Mountain (RuneScape) of Monkey (Jagex) on which the happy folks (players) depends on and always respcted. Monkey (Jagex) decides to kill everyone... then no people (Players and Autoers) - only dead!

 

 

 

Well, auto too much, Runescape dies. So in a way, I do care about the game. If Runescape dies, what else would I practice programming on?

 

 

 

Try create your own privat server on which you can practise cheating!

 

 

 

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I guess that's pretty much a "Ya Rly!!!"

 

 

 

Yes, but when the autoers but a phat or something, all that money goes right back into the economy.

 

 

 

Right?

 

 

 

 

Just explain why a autoer would buy an Phat?

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not trying to advertise, but rather just trying to change some peoples points of view on the subject of autoing :). I understand botting is ruining Runescape, I've reported 1,854 people so far for macroing from running that script (Mentioned before).

 

 

 

If you understand botting is Ruining RuneScape why do you still do it?

 

 

 

Many people player RS in ungodly hours. And I never really have spare time anyway :).

 

 

 

Yes and Jagex advises people to take 5-10 minutes break for every our people plays RuneScape. And if you don't have any spare time just do it in the bit you have. It's basicly the same with me that I have much homework so acctually I do play RuneScape that little time I have.

 

 

 

Ooo...trust me on this one. Before I started autoing, I was just like you. I HATED autoers. Everyone I'd see I'd start spamming to report him, and reporting him over and over again. I was totally against them.

 

 

 

If you really hated them why did you join them in ruining the game for other people?

 

 

 

Okay so...?

 

 

 

If you skip school, you're a skipper., and if you kick a skipper, it will hurt for the skipper.

 

 

 

I really don't get this line :P

 

 

 

Yeah and skipping and autoing is both wrong so you will basicly one day recive your punishment. Acctually the Autoers will recive a lot worse punishment as Jagex can tell the police because all accounts in the game is Jagex property. Yes even those on privat servers!

i think the best way to combat autoers is to make a system that stops newly made profiles leveling more than 5 levels a day per skill until they get over a certain combat level or have been playing for a certain amount of time. Then all jadex has to do is continually ban all autoers and since it will take them a few days to get even close to fishing lobs or mining iron decently they will eventually get bored and go.

 

 

 

dunno if it will actually work but hey :mrgreen:

 

 

 

jadex could then also make a random that after exactly one hour of play a screen moves around the screen with a countdown of a minuite on, if you dont click on that screen within the minuite you are logged out and cannot log back in for the next hour. To reward normal players for doing this there could be a reward and also a monthly prize for whoever clicks the clock the quickest, this would make people more attracted to the idea.

 

It would also make it impossible for people who auto while they sleep to do this anymore as they cannot log back on if they are asleep 8-)

 

 

 

if u think my idea is great add cwx3 or pm me!

While this may be a bit off-topic, Tom is the cat, and Jerry is the mouse, not the other way around :wink: