MyPurpleCrayon Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 My teacher today, during AP English Language, said something along the lines of "Your conscious isn't important when making decisions, it's only conceived by your society and people who are around you. Your 'heart' and your brain are what need to make your decisions for you, not something that was made up." It was said in the middle of a discussion about something else, so nothing was said. Although I thought a whole lot of it, and I didn't know whether or not I agreed with this statement. Do you all? 1) What is your conscious, and is it important to you when deciding things? 2) Do you agree with the statement that your brain and your 'heart' should be the only things used for making your decisions*? *Not just "decisions" as in what you do when you decide between two things, but more than that. Important life decisions, such as your religion, how you stand politically, stuff like that. Ghost: I am prejudice towards ignorance, so that would explain why I appear to be so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam007 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 It's possible she meant conscious in the sense of a super-ego, the thing that tries to censor out indecent thoughts/actions, meaning that you should write with full intensity, without worrying about censoring your writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
menot Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 i remember some research saying something like "you have actually made a decision before you're aware of thinking about it"... so begging the question.. what does your consciousness do if decisions are made before your conscious of making them. I have to question her saying that your consciousness is made up but your "heart" isnt. i'd say your "heart" is more imaginary than your consciousness... and 1) your consciousness, imho, is a product of your brain... so its really all your brain. 2) well if consciousness is part of your brain, and your "heart" is part of your consciousness... then yes! babelfish - level 180 60th placestrongguy - level 173 69th place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilperson Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 "Your conscious isn't important when making decisions, it's only conceived by your society and people who are around you. Your 'heart' and your brain are what need to make your decisions for you, not something that was made up." 1) What is your conscious, and is it important to you when deciding things? 2) Do you agree with the statement that your brain and your 'heart' should be the only things used for making your decisions*? Your conscious is a man made idea. Your initial reaction to siutation is your concious. Whether you decide to use your brain to disect the situation is another story. That is a really good question, What IS your conscious? I think that is is what we would like to be right. When you tink of your conscious, morality is the first thing that pops into your head, right? Now morality is hard to prove to be correct by any standard, so there is no way to prove your conscious is right. I think that we should really use our brains on when and how to make decisions instead of doing what our concious says. Mainly because we can be programmed from a very young age to believe things that have to foundation or logical backup. Everybody lovin' it, but ain't no body touchin' it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pompey_spud Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 I remember reading somewhere that all decisions are made sub-consciously, and that your brain simply tries to rationalise afterwards why it 'made' that decision... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubsa Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Sounds like a Freudian concept Spud. Wiki Freud for some (very basic) ideas. Obviously, this depends on the definition of 'conscious'. Some will argue that it's made up from your logical (brain) and heartfelt thoughts. Others will say it's the opinion you have on whether somethings approppiate in society as a whole, not just within yourself. Or I'll say is this: Just because something feels wrong, doesn't mean it's not right and just because something looks right, doesn't mean it can't be wrong. This is how much you all raised for charity. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamerr Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 I basicly have one rule regarding my "concious": " Don't do things to others what you wouldn't like yourself " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
np_tyler Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Hmm... While I agree that the "Golden Rule" is a good philosophy, it's not entirely applicable to every situation. If you were under pressure to smoke, or drink, or whatnot, the Golden Rule wouldn't make any sense. - Np Tyler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pompey_spud Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Sounds like a Freudian concept Spud. Wiki Freud for some (very basic) ideas. Thanks for the prompt, but i'm far too busy drowning my sorrows and playing online poker to actually 'learn' about something i'm talking about. Hah! What an absurd notion! :D Wasn't he the guy who thinks we all lust after our mothers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubsa Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Well yeah, but a bit of his stuff many people take for granted as 'obvious' nowadays. Regardless over what you'll conclude on his ideas, it's a fun read. Personally I think he was smart, but just went a bit too far. :S This is how much you all raised for charity. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pompey_spud Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Haha, well i just finished my pear cider, so ill get right on it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubsa Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Let me guess: Koppaberg? :P This is how much you all raised for charity. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pompey_spud Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 How the hell did you know! Have you tried it? I love it, i've had like 5 pint sized (500-mills) bottles of it since friday, and i'm 15! I bet i have the liver of an 80 year old russian... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubsa Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 I've been drinking that beauty for about 5 years now. Not proud of this, but I'd say we're responsible for our local Spoons not selling the 7% variety anymore >.< Swedish goodness at it's best! This is how much you all raised for charity. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pompey_spud Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Haha, I'm only allowed to get the 4.5% type from my Ikea, although I heard recently they sell it in places like morrisons...I have got to get me a cratefull or something. God bless the Swedes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyPurpleCrayon Posted April 16, 2007 Author Share Posted April 16, 2007 Your conscious is a man made idea. Your initial reaction to siutation is your concious. Whether you decide to use your brain to disect the situation is another story. That is a really good question, What IS your conscious? I think that is is what we would like to be right. When you tink of your conscious, morality is the first thing that pops into your head, right? Now morality is hard to prove to be correct by any standard, so there is no way to prove your conscious is right. I think that we should really use our brains on when and how to make decisions instead of doing what our concious says. Mainly because we can be programmed from a very young age to believe things that have to foundation or logical backup. Yeah, I consider it to be something along the lines of your 'gut instinct'. It's possible she meant conscious in the sense of a super-ego, the thing that tries to censor out indecent thoughts/actions, meaning that you should write with full intensity, without worrying about censoring your writing. Eh, we weren't even talking about our writing, the discussion had nothing to do with it. Ghost: I am prejudice towards ignorance, so that would explain why I appear to be so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assassin_696 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Without wanting to suck the romance dry out of it, it's important to remember that decisions made with the "heart" are just made with a different part of the brain. The heart doesn't make decisions. "Da mihi castitatem et continentam, sed noli modo" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satenza Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Yeah i don't know what she means. The concious usually refers to our mind, and our thought process. The heart and the brain allow the thought process to happen. I think she's on crack. With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kido14 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Sounds like a Freudian concept Spud. Wiki Freud for some (very basic) ideas. Didn't Freud say your id is basically your biological desires (uses the pleasure principle) and the superego is like your conscience that makes you feel guilty? Then the ego is kind of the in between and acts on the Reality principle? Maybe your teacher was saying conscience? Your conscious is your state of mind and I mean of course it's important when deciding things because otherwise you would be unconscious? Maybe I'm missing a certain definition of conscious? Last.fm: http://www.last.fm/user/Aaronm14/MY FAVORITE BAND:http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... d=64310717And the bible is the big book of lies, call me a racist if you must. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyPurpleCrayon Posted April 16, 2007 Author Share Posted April 16, 2007 Without wanting to suck the romance dry out of it, it's important to remember that decisions made with the "heart" are just made with a different part of the brain. The heart doesn't make decisions. That's why I put the word heart in quotations, I didn't mean your actual heart. I guess you could say I meant the loving part of your mind. Ghost: I am prejudice towards ignorance, so that would explain why I appear to be so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satenza Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Maybe she just means make our decisions with both love and logic (heart and brain). With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyPurpleCrayon Posted April 16, 2007 Author Share Posted April 16, 2007 Yeah, that's kinda how I think about it. It's annoying when people use the excuse, "It's what my conscious was telling me to do!" All that says to me is you didn't think about what you did, all you did was act on what you felt. Emotions are never a good thing to act on. :| Ghost: I am prejudice towards ignorance, so that would explain why I appear to be so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 I'm thinking it's concience, not concious. Am I right? Or am I getting this mixed up terribly? :? Anyway our concious mind is what makes us aware. To give a really blunt definition it's a characteristic of being awake. Concience, on the other hand, is just a label for what we would call our set of morals. We see going against them as a bad thing emotionally or physically and thus we have a resistance (concience). I hope I got that right? :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Make7upu101 Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Well yeah, but a bit of his stuff many people take for granted as 'obvious' nowadays. Regardless over what you'll conclude on his ideas, it's a fun read. Personally I think he was smart, but just went a bit too far. :S Sort of OT-I think people misinterpreted his work on psychosexual development. People take him claiming to have jealous child and turn it into "he wants to kill his father." OnT- I believe that we should definitely consider our emotions in decisions. We just have to remember that we're thinking of present andfuture emotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lateralus Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 I'm thinking it's concience, not concious. Am I right? Or am I getting this mixed up terribly? :? Anyway our concious mind is what makes us aware. To give a really blunt definition it's a characteristic of being awake. Concience, on the other hand, is just a label for what we would call our set of morals. We see going against them as a bad thing emotionally or physically and thus we have a resistance (concience). I hope I got that right? :? You're correct. Conciousness is like self-awareness. I'm also thinking this topic is about the conscience, which is like a moral faculty. La lune ne garde aucune rancune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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