Nanosauromo Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 Wow.... that blew my mind. Return of the Annoying Black Kid! Woohoo! DHARMA bus saves the day! I knew we had'nt seen the last of that thing. Sawyer leaning against it, drinking a DHARMA beer while Hugo called Jack was priceless. Typical Sawyer. Mikhail is very good at playing dead. "Cyclops." Lol. Aaron crying as Charlie died was great. Which reminds me, I DONT WANT CHARLIE TO DIE!!! DON'T BE DEAD CHARLIE!!! It a proven rule of fiction: If you don't see the body, then the character isn't dead. Save the hobbit, save the world. I have a feeling that most of the finale was a flashback, with Jack's off-island events taking place a year or so in the future. Can someone put me in a cryogenetic chamber until february? You only have to type four extra keys for me to not think "ur" an idiot.solardeathray.teensupergenius.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homegirl911911999 Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 why'd they have to put it on at the same time as idol's season finale I switched back and forth watching LOST and american idol. I like the finale of LOST can't wait till next year :D . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
destro3979 Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 i think the funeral was bens because only the people on the island knew him and no one liked him so they wouldnt go the the funeral. also when the priest says friend or family jack says neither. i think he went to the funeral because he knew ben was right and he should of stayed on the island. New Sig Coming soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angryjoe Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 Charlie didn't need to die. :( They could of easily slipped some scuba gear on in the time it would take for that to fill up. But it was good, better than the Heroes finale anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudeonthenet Posted May 24, 2007 Author Share Posted May 24, 2007 Charlie could have ran out of the room then shut the door but he stayed since that's the only way the vision of being rescued would come true. The window looked like he could have got through it if he tried. I don't want Charlie dead either but the island called everyone there for a reason. The code was designed by a musician, that was obviously Charlies purpose so he is no longer needed, unfortunately. Jack could have died his beard in the future, his ex wife was very pregnant (about 7-8 months) which I'm not sure how that fits into the timeline. As I guessed before I think it was Sawer's funeral because Jack only went because he though it would have drawn Kate to it. Neither family nor friend of Jack... sounds like Sawer to me. I'm always buying snapdragon seeds, name your price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homegirl911911999 Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 :cry: charlie was my favorite character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy500fan Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 Flash foward? I thought it was a flash back and Jack knew Kate before the plane crash. If its a flash foward then I'm guessing it is Sawer's funeral. Jack definitely didn't know Kate before the plane crash. Jack said he was using the Gold Pass Oceanic gave them to fly back and forth between L.A. and cities across the Pacific, hoping it would crash again. He said they never should have left, and that they should go back. Everyone was calling Jack a "hero", and some were mentioning this makes him a hero again, because of what he did on the island. How could all that not be a flash forward? Also the spoiler I was talking about that someone ruined the episode for me was "the final scene is a flash forward to Jack telling Kate they need to go back to the island." So I knew it was a flash forward from the beginning, and was watching everything closely and thinking about what I would be thinking had I not known that. Plus the creator said it was a flash forward. Just thought I would throw that out there, if the rest of my post didn't convince you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy500fan Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 Charlie could have ran out of the room then shut the door but he stayed since that's the only way the vision of being rescued would come true. The window looked like he could have got through it if he tried. I don't want Charlie dead either but the island called everyone there for a reason. The code was designed by a musician, that was obviously Charlies purpose so he is no longer needed, unfortunately. That is the only thing that bothered me during this episode, Charlie could have very easily escaped. For some reason until you just said it I never considered that he knew he could make it out fine, but decided this was the way it had to happen. That's obviously why it worked out like that, I am kind of disappointed I didn't think of it. EDIT: sorry for the double post, wasn't thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satenza Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 Who evers funeral it was, the newspaper says J..... entham. It's a man, and they died in their New York apartment. It also says "Beam" perhaps they hung themself from a beam? Also, Jeremy Bentham was a Philosopher, so im going to guess that the dead person's last name is Bentham. To our knowledge no one on the show is called Bentham, so my guess is that the dead person is Jacob. With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy500fan Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 Who evers funeral it was, the newspaper says J..... entham. It's a man, and they died in their New York apartment. It also says "Beam" perhaps they hung themself from a beam? Also, Jeremy Bentham was a Philosopher, so im going to guess that the dead person's last name is Bentham. To our knowledge no one on the show is called Bentham, so my guess is that the dead person is Jacob. Jeremy Bentham is what most people have decided it was, but that still leaves a pretty good amount of uncertainty as to who that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satenza Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 Only the J is legible. So, the first name is up for grabs like Danielle Rousseau isn't called Jean-Jaques Rousseau like the philosopher. I don't think the first name has to neccessarily be consistent with the first name of the philosopher. But anyway, Jeremy Bentham a direct inspiration to J.S. Mill my favourite philosopher. I hope there is a Mill on the show :) Edit: also, Jeremy Bentham was a Utilitarian and so beleived that the only appeal on ethical questions was to decide whether it created the greatest happiness for the greatest number or not. Ben is keeping everyone on the island by lying and following Jacobs orders to lie, judging by Jack off the island and indeed Kate both seemed unhappy. Both were happier on the island so maybe Jacob Bentham is also a utilitarian who is keeping everyone on the island for the greatest happiness of the greatest number. With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyPurpleCrayon Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 Charlie could have ran out of the room then shut the door but he stayed since that's the only way the vision of being rescued would come true. The window looked like he could have got through it if he tried. I don't want Charlie dead either but the island called everyone there for a reason. The code was designed by a musician, that was obviously Charlies purpose so he is no longer needed, unfortunately. That is the only thing that bothered me during this episode, Charlie could have very easily escaped. For some reason until you just said it I never considered that he knew he could make it out fine, but decided this was the way it had to happen. That's obviously why it worked out like that, I am kind of disappointed I didn't think of it. EDIT: sorry for the double post, wasn't thinking. That's how Desmond saw it in his vision though, so that's the only way Charlie thought he could save Claire probably. Ghost: I am prejudice towards ignorance, so that would explain why I appear to be so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
destro3979 Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 Charlie could have ran out of the room then shut the door but he stayed since that's the only way the vision of being rescued would come true. The window looked like he could have got through it if he tried. I don't want Charlie dead either but the island called everyone there for a reason. The code was designed by a musician, that was obviously Charlies purpose so he is no longer needed, unfortunately. That is the only thing that bothered me during this episode, Charlie could have very easily escaped. For some reason until you just said it I never considered that he knew he could make it out fine, but decided this was the way it had to happen. That's obviously why it worked out like that, I am kind of disappointed I didn't think of it. EDIT: sorry for the double post, wasn't thinking. That's how Desmond saw it in his vision though, so that's the only way Charlie thought he could save Claire probably. agreed New Sig Coming soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy500fan Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 That's how Desmond saw it in his vision though, so that's the only way Charlie thought he could save Claire probably. Yep, exactly. I was just stating that for some reason I didn't think of that while watching it or afterwards, when I really should have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudeonthenet Posted May 25, 2007 Author Share Posted May 25, 2007 Only the J is legible. So, the first name is up for grabs like Danielle Rousseau isn't called Jean-Jaques Rousseau like the philosopher. I don't think the first name has to neccessarily be consistent with the first name of the philosopher. But anyway, Jeremy Bentham a direct inspiration to J.S. Mill my favourite philosopher. I hope there is a Mill on the show :) Edit: also, Jeremy Bentham was a Utilitarian and so beleived that the only appeal on ethical questions was to decide whether it created the greatest happiness for the greatest number or not. Ben is keeping everyone on the island by lying and following Jacobs orders to lie, judging by Jack off the island and indeed Kate both seemed unhappy. Both were happier on the island so maybe Jacob Bentham is also a utilitarian who is keeping everyone on the island for the greatest happiness of the greatest number. That's pretty clever and actually very plausable about Jacob being a Utilitarian. As for who is in the coffin, Kate had some reason to attend but didn't go. I don't think she would want to go if it was Jacob's. Plus there is still a lot of mystery involved with Jacob. Did you guys forget that Sawer's real name is James?! Did it ever say what his last name is? I'm always buying snapdragon seeds, name your price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vladmoney Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 I thought it was Locke's funeral, you know how nobody really liked him and all. Visit my DeviantArt Page at http://vladmoney.deviantart.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
____ Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 Did you guys forget that Sawer's real name is James?! Did it ever say what his last name is?Ford. And it is mentioned plenty of times during the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satenza Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 I thought it was Locke's funeral, you know how nobody really liked him and all. Locke's the best character on the show! Well, Locke or Saywer. I don't think Saywers dead, i think something big will happen between Saywer and Jack in the next 2 series to make them hate each other. As Jack and Kate always refer to soemone knowing if she is there, and their meeting was secret. Kate is hiding her meeting with Jack for some reason, from someone. That someone is probably Saywer. With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uldric Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 What was with Walt coming back and helping Locke? Glad that they killed off Charlie though, he was pretty annoying. More Sawyer please. #-o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudeonthenet Posted May 26, 2007 Author Share Posted May 26, 2007 What was with Walt coming back and helping Locke? Glad that they killed off Charlie though, he was pretty annoying. More Sawyer please. #-o Walt was the form the island took to motivate Locke to get out of the pit to try and stop them from using the radio phone. Also you need to be kicked in the teeth for not liking Charlie :evil: . I'm always buying snapdragon seeds, name your price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vladmoney Posted May 27, 2007 Share Posted May 27, 2007 I thought it was Locke's funeral, you know how nobody really liked him and all. Locke's the best character on the show! Well, Locke or Saywer. I don't think Saywers dead, i think something big will happen between Saywer and Jack in the next 2 series to make them hate each other. As Jack and Kate always refer to soemone knowing if she is there, and their meeting was secret. Kate is hiding her meeting with Jack for some reason, from someone. That someone is probably Saywer. I am not saying I hate Locke, but everyone else hates Locke. He made Sawayer kill his father, then he left with the others, then he killed that girl so they wouldn't leave the island. Makes some sense. Anyway, can't wait till next season, gota see how its gona go. Gah now I have nothing to watch this summer. Visit my DeviantArt Page at http://vladmoney.deviantart.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanosauromo Posted May 27, 2007 Share Posted May 27, 2007 Locke has one of the most amazing character development arcs on the show. I think he's cool. However, If i were living on the island with him, I would really hate him for constantly blowing up escape routes. JOHN LOCKE'S ISLAND DEMOLITION COMPANY BLOWING UP ESCAPE PLANS SINCE 2004 You only have to type four extra keys for me to not think "ur" an idiot.solardeathray.teensupergenius.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy500fan Posted May 27, 2007 Share Posted May 27, 2007 Here is the full text of the newspaper clipping that was leaked. No official source has confirmed though. The body of John Lantham of New York was found shortly after 4 am in the 4300 block of Grand Avenue. Ted Worden, a doorman at the Tower Lofts complex, heard loud noises coming from the victim's loft. Concerned for tenants' safety, he entered the loft and found the body hanging from a beam in the living room. According to Jaime Ortiz, a police spokesman, the incident was deemed a suicide after medical tests. Latham (sic) is survived by one teenaged son. Memorial services will be held at the Hoffs-Drawlar Funeral Home tomorrow evening. If that is true, Michael is probably the one in the casket. Obviously he would have had to have a name change after he made it back to the main land, since he was supposed to be dead. Why Walt isn't at the wake is unknown, and how Jack knows what he changed his name to probably can be explained fairly easily, but is still unknown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudeonthenet Posted May 27, 2007 Author Share Posted May 27, 2007 I have to watch the season finalle again now you guys are pointing out all this cool stuff I didn't see :thumbsup: . I'm always buying snapdragon seeds, name your price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biabf Posted May 28, 2007 Share Posted May 28, 2007 Charlie could have ran out of the room then shut the door but he stayed since that's the only way the vision of being rescued would come true. The window looked like he could have got through it if he tried. I don't want Charlie dead either but the island called everyone there for a reason. The code was designed by a musician, that was obviously Charlies purpose so he is no longer needed, unfortunately. That is the only thing that bothered me during this episode, Charlie could have very easily escaped. For some reason until you just said it I never considered that he knew he could make it out fine, but decided this was the way it had to happen. That's obviously why it worked out like that, I am kind of disappointed I didn't think of it. EDIT: sorry for the double post, wasn't thinking.He couldn't have escaped. If you look at the door you could only lock it from HIS side. If he tried to escape, both he and Desmond would die as the station flooded... It was decided to give himself to save Desmond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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