Underage Drinking

[Somnambulism]

The way I see it, under age drinking is cool and if you do it you are cool. It's obviously not as cool as drug-takery though.

[darkforaster]

 

 

 

My parents' stance:

 

Mom - Will let me drink as long as I don't drink and drive

 

Dad - Totally against me drinking until I'm 21

 

 

 

Friends' stance:

 

Majority - Against it, but don't hate me for doing it

 

A very few - Okay with it, but don't do it

 

Even fewer - Are okay with it and do it.

 

 

 

I personally think the 'omg you can't drink till you're 21' type of people are completely overreacting. I've drank more than I planned before, didn't do anything stupid, and I'm totally fine.

 

 

 

Now, what is your opinion on this?

 

 

 

I suppose i fall into that kind of catagory. But i suppose I am a bit too wary fro my own good. But meh, if it means a longer lifetime. I'll stay the way I am thank you very much.

 

 

 

But they aren't overreacting. under 21 users get drunk much more easily than the 21 +. As you grow older, you grow less hyper (unless your a maniac, then alcohole is fine) meaning your body reacts in a less hyper way to beer. And trust me you do silly things while drunk- you drink more.

 

 

 

Plus your body's more vulnerable when you are younger. So I completely disagree.

 

 

 

In fact, I don't plan on ever having alcohole. I'll stick with what i know is safe- good old juice,squash and water. I think i'll start of coffee and tea when I'm slightly older. Why? I like quick drinks. I'm too impatiant to wait fro a kettle to boil. So i will have to work on that first.

 

 

 

edit: Plus, i read a survey that said that alcohole is actually worse for you than smoking is. and that really is saying something.

 

 

 

P.S. Whoever said they smoked. Quit while your ahead. Trust me, it wrecks your life and the others around you. Smoking is the worst thing you can do in your life. Even being an alcoholic is better for you.

[deloriagod]

 

 

 

In fact, I don't plan on ever having alcohole. I'll stick with what i know is safe- good old juice,squash and water. I think i'll start of coffee and tea when I'm slightly older. Why? I like quick drinks. I'm too impatiant to wait fro a kettle to boil. So i will have to work on that first.

 

 

 

edit: Plus, i read a survey that said that alcohole is actually worse for you than smoking is. and that really is saying something.

 

 

 

P.S. Whoever said they smoked. Quit while your ahead. Trust me, it wrecks your life and the others around you. Smoking is the worst thing you can do in your life. Even being an alcoholic is better for you.

 

 

 

It's just my opinion, but life is too short to live so cautiously. My dad is kind of like you for the most part. I've played with knives, fire, drank coffee/tea/soda, eaten as much as I wanted to since I was young. I feel being too cautious shelters you from reality. Have fun while you're young. Today could be the last day of your life, why waste it?

[insane]

Ignoring the studies that have shown moderate alchohol consumption can actually be good for you, I still think you're missing the point.

 

 

 

Getting drunk is more than moderate consumption, I thought? I enjoy a beer every now and then, I'm not against alcohol, but getting drunk is NOT healthy. So yes, ignore the studies, because they're irrelevant.

 

 

 

You can talk all you want about how you can have fun without alcohol, and it's not that we can't, it's just that sometimes it's nice to "lose yourself" a little, and step out of your sober, comfort zone.

 

 

 

That's fine. I never contradicted this.

 

 

 

 

 

So where do you draw the line for when something "is a waste" insane? Acording to your standards how long and how much does a certain something need to last to be worth it.

 

 

 

Just because I can't give numerical data for this "line" doesn't mean I can't legitimately believe alcohol is a waste of money.

 

 

 

 

 

Like, a movie for example. I can probaly end up going to the movies with a couple friends and between snacks + the actual tickets spend around $45-50 for a few "temporary hours" of fun.

 

 

 

And boy let me tell you the food there isn't exactly the most healthy too.

 

 

 

I hate going to movies and I hate buying food there too. Renting a movie is cheaper and more sociable.

 

 

 

Yeh because about ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã40 for a night out is so much cheaper than shelling out ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã200 odd quid for a games console and ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã30 a piece for games.

 

 

 

Yeah but the next day your games console is still going to exist. Unlike your "night out".

 

 

 

And what the [bleep] are you on about the most temporary, you can be pissed for a few hours but a movie is like 2 hours.

 

 

 

I think going out to a movie is one of my least favourite past-times.

[Nadril]

I understand that you think its a waste. However just because its a waste for you does not mean its a waste for the rest of us.

[Adam007]

I understand that you think its a waste. However just because its a waste for you does not mean its a waste for the rest of us.

 

Yeah, in debate, subjective opinion just doesn't really hold up. Then again, whether something is a waste or isn't is based entirely on opinion in the first place, and I can't understand why you guys started arguing about it to begin with. The fact that it is enjoyable warrants people paying for it, and it's not up to anyone to judge how enjoyable it is in comparison to other things money can be spent on. What are we going to do, narrow life down to the most enjoyable per dollar event and stick only to that?

[insane]

I understand that you think its a waste. However just because its a waste for you does not mean its a waste for the rest of us.

 

 

 

I think I've said at least 5 billion times on this thread that it's only my opinion and am not trying to force it on anyone. Yet you constantly come back and try and argue my opinion so I'm left defending myself. Then you come back with the "but it's only subjective" argument.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then again, whether something is a waste or isn't is based entirely on opinion in the first place, and I can't understand why you guys started arguing about it to begin with.

 

 

 

Again, see above. I'm only responding to attacks on my opinion.

[demonkid55]

Past research has proven that even after one drink, your brain is already being affected by the alcohol in a very negative way. You say that it's common sense not to drink and drive; if so, then why do so many people do it? Well, I'll tell you why: Even after one drink, you slightly lose some of your senses. Sure, you're not gonna go crazy after that one drink, but kids rarely just drink one drink (I'm a kid myself so don't think I don't know what I'm talking about) The point of the matter is that it is common sense to not drink and drive, but when you're no longer in full control of your body, you really have no choice. As for underage drinking as a whole? Go f*ck up your liver as much as you please, but I'd like to keep mine clean and healthy.

[deloriagod]

Past research has proven that even after one drink, your brain is already being affected by the alcohol in a very negative way. You say that it's common sense not to drink and drive; if so, then why do so many people do it? Well, I'll tell you why: Even after one drink, you slightly lose some of your senses. Sure, you're not gonna go crazy after that one drink, but kids rarely just drink one drink (I'm a kid myself so don't think I don't know what I'm talking about) The point of the matter is that it is common sense to not drink and drive, but when you're no longer in full control of your body, you really have no choice. As for underage drinking as a whole? Go f*ck up your liver as much as you please, but I'd like to keep mine clean and healthy.

 

 

 

When you die someone will enjoy your liver. But I don't think I'm going to forget that drinking and driving is bad after having a few drinks. That message has been pounded into my head since I was young and even when I've had a little too much I remember not to drink and drive..

[magekillr]

guys i thought on like page 7 or 8 insane clarified it enough that TO HIM it's a waste of time and money...but that doesn't mean he's saying it's a waste to anyone else

 

 

 

take for example...people who like to work on their cars and add tremendous systems to them...and put new rims on them ad such

 

 

 

to me...that's a complete waste of time and money because i don't see the purpose. a car is just supposed to take me from A to B and that's it..

 

 

 

but other people see it as a hobby and a past time..

 

 

 

it's the same case...insane is just saying TO HIM it's a waste of time and money

 

 

 

it took like 3 clarifications from him...but i understood like 3 pages back lol

[Nadril]

His posts seemed like a jab at the drinkers, especialy with the "throwing away brain cells" comment.

 

 

 

That being said sorry if I jumped to conclusions at all.

[darkforaster]

 

 

 

In fact, I don't plan on ever having alcohole. I'll stick with what i know is safe- good old juice,squash and water. I think i'll start of coffee and tea when I'm slightly older. Why? I like quick drinks. I'm too impatiant to wait fro a kettle to boil. So i will have to work on that first.

 

 

 

edit: Plus, i read a survey that said that alcohole is actually worse for you than smoking is. and that really is saying something.

 

 

 

P.S. Whoever said they smoked. Quit while your ahead. Trust me, it wrecks your life and the others around you. Smoking is the worst thing you can do in your life. Even being an alcoholic is better for you.

 

 

 

It's just my opinion, but life is too short to live so cautiously. My dad is kind of like you for the most part. I've played with knives, fire, drank coffee/tea/soda, eaten as much as I wanted to since I was young. I feel being too cautious shelters you from reality. Have fun while you're young. Today could be the last day of your life, why waste it?

 

 

 

Sometimes being cautious is a good thing. Think about it. If your not cautious sometimes then tomorow could be the last day of your life. BUt if you were cautious sometimes, then it would be better for you. As you will live for longer.

 

 

 

i'm not a cautious freak. I personally see no need in drinking alcohole. I've heard caffein can be just as fun. And like I said, I'm too impatiant to wait for a kettle to boil. Alcohole can kill so many. But caffein is not as disastrous. (when driving anyway.). I'm hyper, so really i don't need caffein at all.

 

 

 

I'm a child at heart. My responses don't reflect that.

 

 

 

So with caffein I'm probably as good in a party as someone ese who's drinking alcohol. Except I can actually focus on one spot. NOt like when you are drunk.

[FuBai]

Drinking age is 18 where I live. Most of my friends and I have been hitting bars scince we were 16. The bouncers only care if you look obviously underage (same as with dealers - if they are clever enough to keep it underwraps they tend to let them do thier job - alot of people would go elswhere if there weren't drugs in the club (500,000-1million take ecstacy every weekend in britian)). My parents both know that I go out drinking and don't care - they know i'm responsible with alcohol, and that, most of the time, I don't actualy drink as i'm driving.

 

 

 

"Responsible abuse" is the phrase I like to use to sum up what we are aiming for. In terms of alcohol consumption (rather than, say, a glass of wine with a meal for the flavor, but an attempt to achieve intoxication) this means that you keep a track of how much you are drinking, and when you drink (interms of alcohol metabolism for driving the next day). Make sure you are with people you trust, and make sure you are doing it with clear AND CLEAN intent - by this I mean you are doing it for the experience, not to "self-medicate". Don't do it to escape from a bad situation, as it can lead to dependance and addiction under those circumstances. Don't do it to look cool - trust me, there is nothing less cool than a drunkard. Do it for the experience in and of itself, and do it with friends to take advantage of the sociably atmosphere it creates. Don't do it often and remeber that in terms of the physical health effects of it, it is more damaging that cannabis, meth-amphetamine, tobacco and LSD (not in combination of course...that would be insane...I must try it!), so treat it with respect.

[Obsessive_Passion]

Hmm, underage drinking. Here in Australia the legal drinking age is 18, but whether or not that reflects the maturity and responsibility of teenagers, I wouldn't know.

 

 

 

As half of the students in my year are already 18, a representative from an organisation came to give a talk about underage drinking, drug consumption, etc. However, rather than lecturing us on why we shouldn't take drugs, alcohol, etc, he provided us with information that would enable us to make responsible and well-informed choices. Underage drinking is a problem because it is illegal, yes - that's a known fact; however, it is a social problem that cannot be entirely eradicated.

 

 

 

Personally, I don't drink. Sure, the occasional glass of Moet Chandon or Dubonet is a nice treat on special occasions, but nothing in excess of a glass. I wouldn't exactly consider it a waste, but more as something unnecessary to daily life, for the moment. Besides, at this pinnacle point in our schooling life, I think most people are drinking in excess of 10 cups of coffee rather than consuming alchohol.

[alyssalarue]

I enjoy a martini or a glass of wine every once in a while. Oh and, as you can probaly see from my first sentence I'm not against underage drinking.

 

 

 

~Alyssa :D

[rocketman089]

I personally see no need in drinking alcohole. I've heard caffein can be just as fun.

 

Yeah dude, I'd take an espressochino party over a kegger any day.

[highlanders]

For kids 14 yrs old and up. Under that age, I think it's just pathetic and a bad idea.

[Adam007]

For kids 14 yrs old and up. Under that age, I think it's just pathetic and a bad idea.

 

How old are you? (this has a point, I think)

[lymnli]

drinking abit is nice, but overdoing anything is a killer. I personally dont drink, just dont like the taste. i decided when i was 13 that i will never drink/smoke now 5 years later i still have a grudge towards them X)

[ThreeLeggedLion]

I personally see no need in drinking alcohole. I've heard caffein can be just as fun.

 

Yeah dude, I'd take an espressochino party over a kegger any day.

 

 

 

whoever told you that is a liar. Caffeine cannot be just as fun. I personally like to drink every Friday and Saturday night. I never over do it to the point where I'm throwing up, just to the point where I know I shouldn't drive.

 

 

 

I'm 17 btw.

[Astralinre]

I'll post what I wrote about this topic on DGI:

 

I don't believe that breaking the law is justified unless the law contradicts a greater moral principle. For example, in the civil rights movement, civil disobedience was used to overcome discriminatory laws which violated the greater moral principle that all men are created equal.

 

 

 

Is the right to drink alchohol a great moral principle? Or is drinking a priveledge that should not be exercised without permission?

 

 

 

The law says no underage drinking - what reason is there to break the law other than "I want to drink"? There is no moral reason why the law is unjust, so it ought be obeyed.

[Somnambulism]

The law says no underage drinking - what reason is there to break the law other than "I want to drink"? There is no moral reason why the law is unjust, so it ought be obeyed.

 

 

 

I don't think this, but surely if one thinks there isn't a problem with drinking under a certain age then it raises the greater moral principle of not restricting peoples freedoms unjustly.

 

 

 

Or is drinking a priveledge that should not be exercised without permission?

 

 

 

Why would doing what you want to your body (in the cases where it doesn't affect other people) be a privilege? Is having sex a privilege that should not be exercised without permission?

 

 

 

I do agree with drinking ages existing, and I did when I was underage too.

[ThreeLeggedLion]

I know you're probably proud of that post but it's stupid. If I want to drink some alcohol at a party and then spend the night there then why shouldn't I be allowed to? How is me being drunk at someone's house going to hurt anyone? Now if I got in a car and drove I'd understand, but I don't. So I'm sure you put a lot of time into your post to try to make it a good one, but that was a dumb thing to base your post on.

[Satenza]

 

Is the right to drink alchohol a great moral principle? Or is drinking a priveledge that should not be exercised without permission?

 

 

 

It's neither a right nor a neccessity. I guess you could call it a priveledge however why should the government decide what priveledges you can and cannot part take in?

 

 

 

The law says no underage drinking - what reason is there to break the law other than "I want to drink"? There is no moral reason why the law is unjust, so it ought be obeyed.

 

 

 

I won't argue morality. However i will agrue practicality. In America, you are allowed to die for your country at 16, you are allowed to decide who runs your country at 18. Technicaly, most people would consider you an adult at 18 and so why is there a 21 age limit on alchohol? In my opinion it is ridiculous to entrust someone with the decision of joining the army or voting and not extending that to drinking. Unless whether or not having a beer is a more important decision than sacrificing your life for your country. Hypocricy, in my opinion.

[Chocobodude0]

I'm 14 and don't drink, but I just think it doesn't taste good. I know kids who drink underage, and I don't really mind. Just keep it otu of my mouth and the car and we're fine.