Well today I read an article about a Nasa scientist questioning the cause of global warming:

 

 

 

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=3229696&page=1

 

What angered me here is the way everybody working him wanted him to leave his position over that comment. Has the world completely turned fascist? the moment someone decides to question global warming, they are shunned from society, simply because everyone else wants to protect their reputation.

 

 

 

Will this eventually lead us to our downfall? what if we take this global warming thing too far, and only do the opposite to the environment? Simply because we created this society where we can't question something?

I agree totally, after watching 'The great global warming swindle'. I came to the conclusion that we are force fed this theory.

He doesn't even say that he doesn't believe in it. It sounds more like he's just pointing out that we need to take a new direction with climate change. And everyone's tearing him apart! Ridiculous.

Channel 4 had to issue a statement a week alter saying the great global warming swindle wasn't all as factual as it seemed, hardly a reliable source to go from.

You see, it may be harsh to us, but in the media spotlight, this figurehead, the head of the organisation, is saying things counter to what his many subordinates are. I'd say it's not so much science trying to shut him up, but the organisation going into damage control to make sure they don't look like idiots. Anyway I'm all for presenting alternative views but his were no where near comprehensive or through a scientific medium.

I don't think you can take the global warming thing "too far"...There's absolutely nothing negative about trying to clean up the enviroment.

 

 

 

But like I've said here before, Mars is also heating up, so it's a pretty good chance that global warming has nothing to do with oil burning.

I don't think you can take the global warming thing "too far"...There's absolutely nothing negative about trying to clean up the enviroment.

 

 

 

But like I've said here before, Mars is also heating up, so it's a pretty good chance that global warming has nothing to do with oil burning.

 

 

 

Perhaps it has something to do with mars's atmospere having a much higher % of CO2. Just speculating... But as you say, there's nothing really all that wrong with trying to clean up the environment.

I don't think you can take the global warming thing "too far"...There's absolutely nothing negative about trying to clean up the enviroment.

 

 

 

But like I've said here before, Mars is also heating up, so it's a pretty good chance that global warming has nothing to do with oil burning.

 

 

 

Perhaps it has something to do with mars's atmospere having a much higher % of CO2. Just speculating... But as you say, there's nothing really all that wrong with trying to clean up the environment.

 

 

 

I repeat, "Mars is *heating up*", not "Mars is hotter". Mars could indeed have a higher percentage of Co2, but that is irrelevant, considering it is actively rising, and there is nothing on Mars to actively raise Co2 levels. Not sure if there are even active volcanoes on Mars, but if there is, you can't place the blame there, otherwise the "cars are doing it" for Earth goes out the window anyways.

Well we're going to run out of oil anyway...

Well we're going to run out of oil anyway...

 

 

 

You know, I've never heard an oil company actually acknowledge that oil will be gone someday. I hear the "There is enough oil that we know of to last for 150 years and we're always finding more etc etc etc, we're fine, kkthnxinvestinusbye" thing.

I repeat, "Mars is *heating up*", not "Mars is hotter". Mars could indeed have a higher percentage of Co2, but that is irrelevant, considering it is actively rising, and there is nothing on Mars to actively raise Co2 levels. Not sure if there are even active volcanoes on Mars, but if there is, you can't place the blame there, otherwise the "cars are doing it" for Earth goes out the window anyways.

 

 

 

Could you toss me a source for that? I seem to have missed it.

I don't think you can take the global warming thing "too far"...There's absolutely nothing negative about trying to clean up the enviroment.

 

 

 

But like I've said here before, Mars is also heating up, so it's a pretty good chance that global warming has nothing to do with oil burning.

 

 

 

Perhaps it has something to do with mars's atmospere having a much higher % of CO2. Just speculating... But as you say, there's nothing really all that wrong with trying to clean up the environment.

 

 

 

I repeat, "Mars is *heating up*", not "Mars is hotter". Mars could indeed have a higher percentage of Co2, but that is irrelevant, considering it is actively rising, and there is nothing on Mars to actively raise Co2 levels. Not sure if there are even active volcanoes on Mars, but if there is, you can't place the blame there, otherwise the "cars are doing it" for Earth goes out the window anyways.

 

 

 

Of course. My mistake. I wouldn't have an explanation for that, then. It dosen't change my position that all climate change skeptics position is futile in regards to existing in a sustainable ecosystem as a sustainable species. It just annoys me at times when some people will always try to shove blame as if they are guilty but propose no solutions or even worse act as if everything is fine. Futile, useless position. Just to be clear when I say climate change skeptics, I'm not referring to you, Tigra; rather it's a general statement.

I repeat, "Mars is *heating up*", not "Mars is hotter". Mars could indeed have a higher percentage of Co2, but that is irrelevant, considering it is actively rising, and there is nothing on Mars to actively raise Co2 levels. Not sure if there are even active volcanoes on Mars, but if there is, you can't place the blame there, otherwise the "cars are doing it" for Earth goes out the window anyways.

 

 

 

Could you toss me a source for that? I seem to have missed it.

 

 

 

Google Mars you lazy b*astard :P

I repeat, "Mars is *heating up*", not "Mars is hotter". Mars could indeed have a higher percentage of Co2, but that is irrelevant, considering it is actively rising, and there is nothing on Mars to actively raise Co2 levels. Not sure if there are even active volcanoes on Mars, but if there is, you can't place the blame there, otherwise the "cars are doing it" for Earth goes out the window anyways.

 

 

 

Could you toss me a source for that? I seem to have missed it.

 

 

 

*Shrug*

 

 

 

Read it on some news thinger. :P

Freedom of speech? As if. If you say something wrong in some locations, you could be anywhere from shunned to kicked out, or worse.

 

 

 

GLobal warming? Personally, it just isn't happening. They are using it as a politcal mind control. It is mere politics, making me very unconcerned about it or mentioning it.

 

 

 

It dosn't surprise me at all that those poor people are being shunned.

I agree totally, after watching 'The great global warming swindle'. I came to the conclusion that we are force fed this theory.

 

 

 

I CH4's Doc's but they are always very biased. Most TV Doc's are though. Even the likes of Panorama and Horizon on the beeb.

 

 

 

Global warming is a massive bandwagon. Every politician has the badge. it's massive hype has even lead to (or greatly accelerated) the development of hybrid cars such as the Toyata Prius.

 

 

 

 

 

While GW is massively hyped up. And although I am sick of seeing "climate change" and "global warming" i think there is a reasonable problem with the sustainability of our lifestyles on this planet.

I agree totally, after watching 'The great global warming swindle'. I came to the conclusion that we are force fed this theory.

 

 

 

I CH4's Doc's but they are always very biased. Most TV Doc's are though. Even the likes of Panorama and Horizon on the beeb.

 

 

 

Global warming is a massive bandwagon. Every politician has the badge. it's massive hype has even lead to (or greatly accelerated) the development of hybrid cars such as the Toyata Prius.

 

 

 

 

 

While GW is massively hyped up. And although I am sick of seeing "climate change" and "global warming" i think there is a reasonable problem with the sustainability of our lifestyles on this planet.

 

 

 

Thank rationality for you, my friend. Someone, anyone tell me what benefit there is to be skeptical of cleaning up the atmosphere and working to assure future sustainability? Or do people just like being difficult? I'm not saying don't question the theory, but saying, as the bloke above you did, that it isn't happening at all? Please. Could the guy 2 posts up, spy13, please explain why your position isn't a futile one? Could you explain why trying to ensure the sustainability and the viability of the human race is bad?

I don't think you can take the global warming thing "too far"...There's absolutely nothing negative about trying to clean up the enviroment.

 

 

 

But like I've said here before, Mars is also heating up, so it's a pretty good chance that global warming has nothing to do with oil burning.

 

 

 

All those extra tax we have to pay for out flight tickets and environment tax are pretty negative IMO.

I don't think you can take the global warming thing "too far"...There's absolutely nothing negative about trying to clean up the enviroment.

 

 

 

But like I've said here before, Mars is also heating up, so it's a pretty good chance that global warming has nothing to do with oil burning.

 

 

 

All those extra tax we have to pay for out flight tickets and environment tax are pretty negative IMO.

 

 

 

I'd say a world wide depression or economy eradication because we didn't plan to run out of oil or coal is pretty negative too...

Well we're going to run out of oil anyway...

 

 

 

You know, I've never heard an oil company actually acknowledge that oil will be gone someday. I hear the "There is enough oil that we know of to last for 150 years and we're always finding more etc etc etc, we're fine, kkthnxinvestinusbye" thing.

 

 

 

Well, to be honest mate, they're not exactly going to come out and say: "Yeah, the company's screwed, lads. Give it a couple of decades, and you're all redundant". :P

Well we're going to run out of oil anyway...

 

 

 

You know, I've never heard an oil company actually acknowledge that oil will be gone someday. I hear the "There is enough oil that we know of to last for 150 years and we're always finding more etc etc etc, we're fine, kkthnxinvestinusbye" thing.

 

 

 

Well, to be honest mate, they're not exactly going to come out and say: "Yeah, the company's screwed, lads. Give it a couple of decades, and you're all redundant". :P

 

 

 

Well, I mean it just doesn't sit right with the fact that they're also doing nothing to find an alternative. Well, a few are, but just enough to be able to smile and claim they're changing the world. Exxon is doing absolutely SQUAT and they say they like it that way. I wonder at what point in the future, investors will have to say "Uhh, dude...Oil sucks now. We need you to look into new stuff..." and have them listen.

Well, I mean it just doesn't sit right with the fact that they're also doing nothing to find an alternative. Well, a few are, but just enough to be able to smile and claim they're changing the world. Exxon is doing absolutely SQUAT and they say they like it that way. I wonder at what point in the future, investors will have to say "Uhh, dude...Oil sucks now. We need you to look into new stuff..." and have them listen.

 

 

 

Give them time, as they realise that people are growing eco-consciousses whether they like or not, they'll realise that tapping into that kind of 'green' fuel market is good marketing sense. BP has already started, I forget the figure but it's invested several hundred million pounds into green fuels.

 

 

 

The American corporations will, inevitably be slower to start.

Plus the thing is, when they eventually come round to saying it, we all know it will be too late.

Plus the thing is, when they eventually come round to saying it, we all know it will be too late.

 

 

 

If I'm not mistaken, it already is. Nothing we can do can stop the melting of the polar ice caps now.

Well we're going to run out of oil anyway...

 

 

 

You know, I've never heard an oil company actually acknowledge that oil will be gone someday. I hear the "There is enough oil that we know of to last for 150 years and we're always finding more etc etc etc, we're fine, kkthnxinvestinusbye" thing.

where did you hear that? I heard we have less than 50 years :?

 

 

 

anyway, global warming is just one example, and not really the main point of what I was saying. My problem is the way we are no longer allowed to question, anyone who decides to question something and threaten someone reputation is automatically labeled as an ignorant idiot, and someone nobody should listen to.

 

 

 

The politicians don't give a crap about global warming, they just want bigger paychecks, and win the next election. That's why this is happening, and nobody is any longer allowed to question. What if something goes wrong? what if we take the wrong step in "cleaning our environment"? What if something goes wrong outside of global warming? and we banish anyone who might try to warn us? What will our children think of us 30 years from now, after we screwed up very bad because of this political game?

 

 

 

I think we need to stop worrying about global warming, the war in the middle east, terrorism, ect.. for just one minute, and look at ourselves as a society, for just one minute. Maybe we might just find the root of all of our problems.