macro, argue about it or outsmart them

[xxdarrenxx]

Zero tolerance is what I mean!!

 

 

 

Everyone who Jagex might think are macro (ie. green pants brown shirt lvl3)

 

 

 

Should be banned instantly. If someone gets unfairly banned they will send an email to Jagex stating that they aren't. An Goldfarmer most likely won't do this because he knows [cabbage] about the game, so makes a new character and the same thing happens till he stops because He might think they found him out.

 

 

 

Sure you have the guys that will completely lie and send an email about it. Jagex Will say that if they like the game; they will like other things to; hence stating that they can't woodcut for 2 weeks. If ur a true RS fan u would accept it. Totally if it's because of anti-bots (what everyone! complains about).

 

 

 

Zero tolerance if ppl really hate bots as they say then this is the solution.

 

 

 

a 100% zero tolerance is really harsh and even I would find that very hard on me is; A sort fatigue system like saying you can WC for 5 hours period and then have to wait another 5 hours.

 

 

 

This means that everyone gets a chance at Yew because ppl need to wait for 5 hours. Sure the diehard fans will suffer but the poor will like it.

 

 

 

Zero Tolerance is the only way. If everyone in their right minds read all the threads around here, they will know the Conclusion is You can't stop autoers, Just outsmart them but for a sacrifice.

 

 

 

Bash me, praise me , ignore me . But fact is fact it's the same in real life. Wanna take a rollercoaster ride, u need to wait in line. If you don't have the patience for it, then you don't like the game enough (which you apparently don't) because of the +1000 anti autoer thread

 

 

 

At the end of the day realize it's just a game and autoers exist just like criminals in the real world. What you gonna do about it superman.

[mchainmail]

Zero tolerance is what I mean!!

 

 

 

Everyone who Jagex might think are macro (ie. green pants brown shirt lvl3)

 

 

 

Should be banned instantly. If someone gets unfairly banned they will send an email to Jagex stating that they aren't. An Goldfarmer most likely won't do this because he knows [cabbage] about the game, so makes a new character and the same thing happens till he stops because He might think they found him out.

 

 

 

Nope. Most macroers know a lot about the game. Also, they send in reports with various keywords to try and get their accounts unbanned.

 

 

 

 

a 100% zero tolerance is really harsh and even I would find that very hard on me is; A sort fatigue system like saying you can WC for 5 hours period and then have to wait another 5 hours.

 

 

 

This means that everyone gets a chance at Yew because ppl need to wait for 5 hours. Sure the diehard fans will suffer but the poor will like it.

 

 

that won't happen, because there will be twice as many autoers. They'll just take more breaks.

[Packer15]

Well, for starters this would really upset skillers. And also I'm afraid it wouldn't really work. Macroers would just start switching the outfits they wear and leveling their characters a little. The 5 hour thing would only hurt real players because macroers don't play on their bot aco[bleep]s so they won't care if their bots have to wait 5 hours. So I'm afraid I'm going to have to give this idea a thumbs down. Just way to drastic.

[highlanders]

Lol, weird. Like some random person copying what politicians say at tv. Zero tolerance, rawr! And tangibely, your suggestion is...? 5 hours of woodcutting, then a cooldown of 5 hours? That's just ridiculous, wanna know why? The game cannot know if you are "hardcore" cutting. The game knows your getting exp in wc, but it has no idea when your 5 hours start or stop. All the game knows is that you get wc exp at a given moment, when does the clock start, when does it stop, what happens if you get exp in another skill, what happens if you cut just one tree and go walk around, the clock still counting? The game doesn't calculate, or detect the "time" factor. It's just logistically so absurd and impossible to calculate in so many ways, just think at it, if you can't grasp that, then just get out of here. If you think you can propose a way to make it work, sure do it, it'll be easy to demolish.

 

 

 

You proposed a flawed solution for one skill, woodcutting, what about the other forms of autoing? .....

 

 

 

Then you propose we ban all players looking suspicious. Right, "who" will do that? Who can judge that accurately? Not normal players obviously, not player mods, only jagex. I doubt jagex wants to pay employees to just go and randomly ban autoers. That's tackling the consequence instead of tackling the cause, and it's just money down the drain for jagex.

 

 

 

And unfairly banned people will just "send a letter" and jagex will read those letters and unban them? Lol, god, that would never work, because jagex frigging doesn't read nor believe anything send to them. And autoers do know how to send letters, because they're more clever than you, or any normal player, or their rs gold farming boss is.

 

 

 

You just come here and slap that zero tolerance line that you picked up somewhere randomly, and then what? Then nothing. Come back in a few weeks, make a new topic, with some good research, a tangible and well-explained plan, some new brain cells and something so amazing that it will make both jagex, and all tip.it players love your magical idea more than the billion other better ideas than yours that were proposed before.

 

Now just go away, and if you're not some lazy all-talk guy, then go research and come back later, oky? Good, now swoosh.

[Omar]

Lol, weird. Like some random person copying what politicians say at tv. Zero tolerance, rawr! And tangibely, your suggestion is...? 5 hours of woodcutting, then a cooldown of 5 hours? That's just ridiculous, wanna know why? The game cannot know if you are "hardcore" cutting. The game knows your getting exp in wc, but it has no idea when your 5 hours start or stop. All the game knows is that you get wc exp at a given moment, when does the clock start, when does it stop, what happens if you get exp in another skill, what happens if you cut just one tree and go walk around, the clock still counting? The game doesn't calculate, or detect the "time" factor. It's just logistically so absurd and impossible to calculate in so many ways, just think at it, if you can't grasp that, then just get out of here. If you think you can propose a way to make it work, sure do it, it'll be easy to demolish.

 

 

 

You proposed a flawed solution for one skill, woodcutting, what about the other forms of autoing? .....

 

 

 

Then you propose we ban all players looking suspicious. Right, "who" will do that? Who can judge that accurately? Not normal players obviously, not player mods, only jagex. I doubt jagex wants to pay employees to just go and randomly ban autoers. That's tackling the consequence instead of tackling the cause, and it's just money down the drain for jagex.

 

 

 

And unfairly banned people will just "send a letter" and jagex will read those letters and unban them? Lol, god, that would never work, because jagex frigging doesn't read nor believe anything send to them. And autoers do know how to send letters, because they're more clever than you, or any normal player, or their rs gold farming boss is.

 

 

 

You just come here and slap that zero tolerance line that you picked up somewhere randomly, and then what? Then nothing. Come back in a few weeks, make a new topic, with some good research, a tangible and well-explained plan, some new brain cells and something so amazing that it will make both jagex, and all tip.it players love your magical idea more than the billion other better ideas than yours that were proposed before.

 

Now just go away, and if you're not some lazy all-talk guy, then go research and come back later, oky? Good, now swoosh.

 

Bam. Owned. Yet again, someone said my thoughts exactly before I managed to post them. I'm cursed, eh?...v_v

[wilmes101]

yeah, i hate macros i agree totally to the 5 hour wc thing =D>=D>

 

 

 

 

 

[Jeda45]

Zero tolerance is what I mean!!

 

 

 

Everyone who Jagex might think are macro (ie. green pants brown shirt lvl3)

 

 

 

Should be banned instantly. If someone gets unfairly banned they will send an email to Jagex stating that they aren't. An Goldfarmer most likely won't do this because he knows [cabbage] about the game, so makes a new character and the same thing happens till he stops because He might think they found him out.

 

 

 

Sure you have the guys that will completely lie and send an email about it. Jagex Will say that if they like the game; they will like other things to; hence stating that they can't woodcut for 2 weeks. If ur a true RS fan u would accept it. Totally if it's because of anti-bots (what everyone! complains about).

 

 

 

Zero tolerance if ppl really hate bots as they say then this is the solution.

 

 

 

a 100% zero tolerance is really harsh and even I would find that very hard on me is; A sort fatigue system like saying you can WC for 5 hours period and then have to wait another 5 hours.

 

 

 

This means that everyone gets a chance at Yew because ppl need to wait for 5 hours. Sure the diehard fans will suffer but the poor will like it.

 

 

 

Zero Tolerance is the only way. If everyone in their right minds read all the threads around here, they will know the Conclusion is You can't stop autoers, Just outsmart them but for a sacrifice.

 

 

 

Bash me, praise me , ignore me . But fact is fact it's the same in real life. Wanna take a rollercoaster ride, u need to wait in line. If you don't have the patience for it, then you don't like the game enough (which you apparently don't) because of the +1000 anti autoer thread

 

 

 

At the end of the day realize it's just a game and autoers exist just like criminals in the real world. What you gonna do about it superman.

:wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: you're insane...

 

-i prefer the term creative-

 

and how do you propose we measure how much time you are wc''ing...

[Id_Suge]

My feeling is that there is absolutely nothing that we can do to stop autoers. Your suggestion is just downright idiotic. It would only succeed in ticking off good, honest players from playing the game. Jagex would never do that because it would make too many people quit, which would result in less member customers. And by the way, Jagex is banning loads of people. The problem is that if people get banned and say it's an IP ban, they just change their IP, and create a new guy. Simple as that. They just go back to macroing. The only way to stop autoers, is to do something so unbelievably crazy that it would destroy the game as we know it. No one, especially including Jagex, would want that to happen. So as much as it pains me to say, we might as well just learn to live with them.

[kemikalkadet]

Lol, weird. Like some random person copying what politicians say at tv. Zero tolerance, rawr! And tangibely, your suggestion is...? 5 hours of woodcutting, then a cooldown of 5 hours? That's just ridiculous, wanna know why? The game cannot know if you are "hardcore" cutting. The game knows your getting exp in wc, but it has no idea when your 5 hours start or stop. All the game knows is that you get wc exp at a given moment, when does the clock start, when does it stop, what happens if you get exp in another skill, what happens if you cut just one tree and go walk around, the clock still counting? The game doesn't calculate, or detect the "time" factor. It's just logistically so absurd and impossible to calculate in so many ways, just think at it, if you can't grasp that, then just get out of here. If you think you can propose a way to make it work, sure do it, it'll be easy to demolish.

 

 

 

You proposed a flawed solution for one skill, woodcutting, what about the other forms of autoing? .....

 

 

 

Then you propose we ban all players looking suspicious. Right, "who" will do that? Who can judge that accurately? Not normal players obviously, not player mods, only jagex. I doubt jagex wants to pay employees to just go and randomly ban autoers. That's tackling the consequence instead of tackling the cause, and it's just money down the drain for jagex.

 

 

 

And unfairly banned people will just "send a letter" and jagex will read those letters and unban them? Lol, god, that would never work, because jagex frigging doesn't read nor believe anything send to them. And autoers do know how to send letters, because they're more clever than you, or any normal player, or their rs gold farming boss is.

 

 

 

You just come here and slap that zero tolerance line that you picked up somewhere randomly, and then what? Then nothing. Come back in a few weeks, make a new topic, with some good research, a tangible and well-explained plan, some new brain cells and something so amazing that it will make both jagex, and all tip.it players love your magical idea more than the billion other better ideas than yours that were proposed before.

 

Now just go away, and if you're not some lazy all-talk guy, then go research and come back later, oky? Good, now swoosh.

 

 

 

b00m headshot. yeah this is my thoughts exactly. i mean, has the threadstarter ever tried to recover a locked account? Its a hit and miss minefield as it. Imagine how many more requests they'd have if they just randomly started banning lvl 3 characters.

 

 

 

And fyi, j mods do turn up to flax fields etc to delete bots.. but they do it with evidence beforehand. Imagine irl if your idea happened.. it'd be like going to Soho in London and arresting every woman you see for prostitution, and every man there for pimping just because that activity happens there.

[deyan2]

I don't agree, autoÃÆÃâÃâërs will simply make 2 accounts, first let the one auto for 5 hours next let the second auto for 5 hours don't they? :roll:

 

Or otherwise first auto on yew logs for 5 hours and after that catching lobbies for 5 hours? :( :wink: :)

[The Observer]

About the 5 hour woodcutting thing.. They would just switch between macroing accounts..

[Sariel]

The problem is with runescape, is that it's a browsing game, and has no anti-macro or trojan scanner like WoW.

 

 

 

The bots are even becoming more intelligent, to the point of trading supplies to other bots.

 

 

 

 

 

Personally, Jagex Staff should get on (since I've never seen one before) and actually walk to the yew trees, and just ban bots.

[Ginger_Warrior]

If someone gets unfairly banned they will send an email to Jagex stating that they aren't. An Goldfarmer most likely won't do this because he knows [cabbage] about the game, so makes a new character and the same thing happens till he stops because He might think they found him out.

 

And where did you formulate that opinion from? The people who programme macro programs are probably the most knowledgable of players in the game. They'd have to, or their programs simply wouldn't work, would they.

 

 

 

It's not very productive as a solution either. It doesn't address the fact they'll just make another account, and continue.

 

 

 

Sure you have the guys that will completely lie and send an email about it. Jagex Will say that if they like the game; they will like other things to; hence stating that they can't woodcut for 2 weeks. If ur a true RS fan u would accept it. Totally if it's because of anti-bots (what everyone! complains about).

 

How is that fair? If I'm unfairly banned (a possibility with this "Zero-tolerance" scheme), and I'm competing with other people in the hiscores, how is it fair that I'm not allowed to compete with the, yet they're allowed to break ahead? RS is a competition as much as anything, it's not fair you allow one person to do something, yet say to another he can't do that same thing. If I was a true human, I'd find that oppresive and vindictive as much as anything. The fact I like RS would be irrelevant.

 

 

 

Zero Tolerance is the only way. If everyone in their right minds read all the threads around here, they will know the Conclusion is You can't stop autoers, Just outsmart them but for a sacrifice.

 

Jagex already have a system of Zero Tolerance. If someone is caught macroing, it's an instant ban with presumably no chance of appeal. Can't get much less lenient than that.

 

 

 

The only way to remove cheating in games is to remove the psychology that cheating in games is acceptable in the first place. As I've said before, that's something the entire gaming industry, not just browser-based games like RS, but companies like Microsoft, Nintendo and SONY have to come up with a solution to collectively.

 

 

 

At the end of the day realize it's just a game and autoers exist just like criminals in the real world. What you gonna do about it superman.

 

Having something else to your work for you so you don't have to is a crime in the real world? So, what's a corporation then, if not a means of having thousands of people do your own work for you whilst leeching off their efforts with huge profits? Is having a corporation a crime? If so, most of Western World's economy is guilty.

 

 

 

I do however agree with one completely unrelated point, in an otherwise flawed topic:

 

 

 

This means that everyone gets a chance at Yew because ppl need to wait for 5 hours. Sure the diehard fans will suffer but the poor will like it.

 

This would even out the playing field. One of the things I find unfair about Rs is that some people can play this game for 12 hours a day, yet some people have to go to school/work/college or they have personal matters such as a family or something like that. I find that personally unfair, and this solution would go some way into making that more even.

 

 

 

Apart from that, I disagree with this topic.

[Omar]

But it would be complicated to time. Say Average Sk1llJoe432 pauses for a few seconds, waiting for a tree to respawn. It would kind of mess up the system. Unless it's 5 hours of woodcutting, with as max interval between two trees cut a minutes. However, players would log out for one minute and log back in -- doesn't work.

[The Observer]

The problem is with runescape, is that it's a browsing game, and has no anti-macro or trojan scanner like WoW.

 

 

 

The bots are even becoming more intelligent, to the point of trading supplies to other bots.

 

 

 

 

 

Personally, Jagex Staff should get on (since I've never seen one before) and actually walk to the yew trees, and just ban bots.

 

 

 

They only ban bots in P2P because it makes the bots lose more money. :?