I am not going to go into the mind over body stuff, as it has already been said.

 

I just thought I might add that continuing to walk on your ankle could actually do damage to it. All pain is, is the body acknowledging it is damaged and it gives you incentive to stop doing whatever you are doing. If you take that pain away, the damage is still there.

 

 

 

Exactly. This was exactly the rationale behind my morphine point. A mind over body phenomenon dosen't take away the fact that there is damage just like the fact that one percieves no pain due to morphine dosen't make the damage cured.

Morphine is a medicine designed to painkill not heal someone...of course when i said a drug to heal i was talking about a medicine that actually make a ill better not hide it

 

 

 

"What's the difference between some drugs and the power of the mind to heal"

 

 

 

My response was that the power of the mind does not heal; if you have cancer and think you don't, it's not going to heal. You may get more time from the placebo effect, which as I understand has been documented for some diseases (as far as I've read, the stress relief helps), but you don't get cured from the placebo effect alone. Hence the morphine example; it supresses pain which is the result of you being harmed but dosen't stop you being harmed, just like placebo supresses the notion that you are sick but it dosen't cure your sickness.

 

 

 

I hope this makes how I was responding to your original post clearer.

 

 

 

You use the mind to believe, to hope, to have faith, to GET better, not put your mind away from it.

 

 

 

Using the same example you did, cancer, im sure everyone knows how many cancer survivors used the will to get better even when doctors said nothing could be done.

 

 

 

Im not defending some guy that says they touch you and you will be better, im saying the mind can do amazing things, and one of them is to heal or help heal something. What triggers that event could be anything, a book, a quote...if it is triggered by someone touching you...let it be...if it works...good

 

 

 

Yes, if your mindset actually cures, great (although a little basis for this claim wouldn't go astray). As for those that get better even though doctors gave them no chance, GREAT! The point I'd like to put out there now is at least they went to the doctor and did everything they could instead of turning thier head at modern medicine because they believed faith had healed them. There was nothing more disturbing when reading through the articles I posted than a woman who discarded a brace with advice on faith only to find the following day her backbone collapsed and she died four months later. I don't care if your faith or optimistic outlook does heal you. All I ask is that no one takes the word of a faith healer over a doctor. Seriously, read the potential repercussions of doing this and you'll be pretty disturbed.

 

 

 

Even more disturbing than the broken backbone story is when parents take the cures of faith healers over doctors only to find their kids dead in due course... and themselves with a serious criminal neglect charge over thier heads.

No, no, no, no. I actually take offense to the kind of "reasoning" that says that faith gets you perks like instant healing or luck with the lotto. No, no, simply no. I can't emphasise this enough.

 

 

 

To turn the discussion away from the mind-body matter a bit, I feel that faith serves to give you... well... faith that everything will turn out alright. To give you strength when you're in trouble, to lighten the weight of life and bring you more joy in happiness. Not as a miracle spawner. Religions that contain these kinds of miracles and cannot take it beyond the metaphorical, lose all credit with me. Idolatry, believing in miracles,... they belong in the same non-rational and rather stupid discourse of bread-and-games religions for the unthinking masses. Extremely dangerous in my mind. Not to mention that they bring discredit to all forms of religion.

 

 

 

In christian religion, it is often said that God performed miracles when people doubted his existence. I've always wondered, if I were God, would I find it necessary to prove I existed? I think not.

At the very most, the man would be very skilled in physiotherapy and can massage the right muscles and nerves to relieve the pain.

 

 

 

Or, you've made this entire piece of crap up. Both are liable.

Er, No. One of my mother's old friends tried it on me when I had a bad chest, it felt warm, granted, but my chest and her hands were both boiling, so the temperature is to be expected.

 

 

 

She left that night, and I was still ill.

 

 

 

Healing like that is as likely as a Banana growing wings and flying in my view. :-w

Er, No. One of my mother's old friends tried it on me when I had a bad chest, it felt warm, granted, but my chest and her hands were both boiling, so the temperature is to be expected.

 

 

 

She left that night, and I was still ill.

 

 

 

Healing like that is as likely as a Banana growing wings and flying in my view. :-w

 

It all depends on how susceptible you are. Healing by Self-Actualization (what the OP called "faith healing") can have a very powerful placebo effect, and it's saved a lot of lives.

depends of how you put it.. i do believe in healing through prayer...

 

 

 

i was very long sceptical to this, and didn't really think people could be "healed" just there and then, through prayer, but this easter, i was with my friends at the sciing sentre, she was snowboarding, and fell, and had a huge pain in her wrist. We went down to the doctor, took an x-ray, and it was very clear, the hand was broken.

 

 

 

later the same day, we wen't to a christian meeting... where people that felt they had something to pray for, should do so... she went there, and was prayed for... and when they was finished, they took a knife, and cut up her gypsum, (right translation for that hard bandage, right? ) and her hand was totaly fine, she could use it.. and when we the day after visited the doctor, he could quite stunned confirm that the hand was just fine.

 

 

 

believe me or not on this one, it's something i vitnessed, if you have any questions, please drop by a pm =)

If your ankle had been actually broken, instead of just sprained it would not have miraculously healed, that's a fact.

 

 

 

In fact i'd be willing to bet all the money in my bank account that if you'd broken your leg he could not have healed it.

All things aside, God hasn't given anyone on Earth since Jesus the ability to heal people...At all.

 

 

 

So, hope that answers your question.

Wrong, Jesus says to his apostles just before he gets ascended into heaven that in his name they can heal, cast out demons etc.

 

 

 

That means that everyone who believes in Jesus can.

 

 

 

 

 

OT: I don't believe in it, its called the placebo effect I believe

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo_effect

This guy had an icy-hot sleeve hidden in his hand somehow....

It's psychology. People that go to church and stuff to get "healed" of some sort of injury they have expect it to work, they expect God to heal their physical wounds and when someone does some sort of ritual to it you're brain kicks in, the mind is a VERY powerful thing that we can't begin to understand, if you believe in something hard enough it can happen, and this goes for physical injuries.

 

 

 

No, no, no, no. I actually take offense to the kind of "reasoning" that says that faith gets you perks like instant healing or luck with the lotto. No, no, simply no. I can't emphasise this enough.

 

 

 

To turn the discussion away from the mind-body matter a bit, I feel that faith serves to give you... well... faith that everything will turn out alright. To give you strength when you're in trouble, to lighten the weight of life and bring you more joy in happiness. Not as a miracle spawner. Religions that contain these kinds of miracles and cannot take it beyond the metaphorical, lose all credit with me. Idolatry, believing in miracles,... they belong in the same non-rational and rather stupid discourse of bread-and-games religions for the unthinking masses. Extremely dangerous in my mind. Not to mention that they bring discredit to all forms of religion.

 

 

 

In christian religion, it is often said that God performed miracles when people doubted his existence. I've always wondered, if I were God, would I find it necessary to prove I existed? I think not.

I agree with everything but the last 2 sentences. I think God, if he really did exist, should prove his existence, I tell people this all the time because I, along with most people, will not believe until there is evidence. Sorta off topic but I thought I'd add it in.

I love the placebo effect. I've used it a few times to increase pain relief.

 

 

 

I've also used it in the form of meditation to help get rid of depression, help me feel energetic, etc.

 

 

 

Faith can actually "help" you, but it cannot heal you. You must sincerely believe something will happen/work to get results.

 

 

 

Never, ever trust that you are actually healed. You are not healed. You just have used your mind in order to block out pain. You may use 'faith healing' if you want, after all it does make you feel better. However, you should still see a doctor.

 

 

 

I remember a story about a man that went to a healing service. He had diabetes. He was told that he was cured of his diabetes and that he could stop using his insulin. He did that and died.

I love the placebo effect. I've used it a few times to increase pain relief.

 

 

 

I've also used it in the form of meditation to help get rid of depression, help me feel energetic, etc.

 

 

 

Faith can actually "help" you, but it cannot heal you. You must sincerely believe something will happen/work to get results.

 

 

 

Never, ever trust that you are actually healed. You are not healed. You just have used your mind in order to block out pain. You may use 'faith healing' if you want, after all it does make you feel better. However, you should still see a doctor.

 

 

 

I remember a story about a man that went to a healing service. He had diabetes. He was told that he was cured of his diabetes and that he could stop using his insulin. He did that and died.

 

 

 

Yep, I heard that one when reading through the articles I posted. As in a previous post of mine, I totally agree that you should use your mindset or faith to make you feel better if you want, just don't substitute a doctor for it. Way to dangerous and with disturbing consequences.

No. You can tell your self not to feel pain to an extent but the "healers" are really just conmen tbh.

This really isn't faith healing, nor mind over matter, I don't know what it is...

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyA-mkOrye8

 

 

 

Though, I only saw this, and did no research on it at all, so don't flame me, or go on about it. Don't worry clicking the link will give you a virus. :wink:

 

 

 

I think faith healing is just your mind activiting to supersition(sp?).

It's kinda like a placebo effect. You think it's working, so it does. Nothing mystical about it.

I'll believe it when pigs fly...

 

 

 

It's all a bunch of bull.

get a faith healer to heal an amputee.

 

 

 

Lol!

 

 

 

Placebo effect