The Confederate Flag

[Pyro]

 

 

 

them. Does anyone actually get offended by it? I don't think so,.

you're obviously not from america I can think of a whole race that gets offended by it

Why? Becuase the flag was used by people who wanted to enslave them? The same could be said for Europe, where most states have occupied on another numerous times throughout history. Should the Swedish flag be outlawed in Norway because my ancestors enforced our laws on them?

I dont think anything that happened in europe could compare to slavery. I doubt any of your ancestors were enslaved and made to work for a person and if they didnt want to they they were whipped, hung, beaten, and finally mrudered. A bunch of vikings pillaging and plundering doesnt' compare to slavery.

Not that Vikings have anything to do with it, but I fail to see how being killed by one is any different from being killed by someone else. The particular example happened just 100 years ago, which isn't exactly the viking-age. In Europe we've executed and enslaved people based on their nationality, skincolor and religion for thousands of years, I fail to see how that doesn't compare to slavery. For the record, we did have slavery in Europe aswell.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gah, this sounds like "We were treated worse" competition... But nonetheless, you'd have to be ignorant to make tyhe claim "I dont think anything that happened in europe could compare to slavery". Since someone was so quick to mention the Nazis, I guess we can use that as an example again. Should the German flag be outlawed in Israel?

[Dark_Tigra]

"Heritage, not Hate" is the KKK's big excuse for being racist freaks, lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Ah, yes...We don't HATE black people...We just want them to leave our white HERATIGE alone! How do we do that, you ask? Well, we start by sending them to Africa..*cough* then nuking it *cough*...Ahem, excuse me." - Leader of the KKK.

[Guest]

 

 

 

 

them. Does anyone actually get offended by it? I don't think so,.

you're obviously not from america I can think of a whole race that gets offended by it

Why? Becuase the flag was used by people who wanted to enslave them? The same could be said for Europe, where most states have occupied on another numerous times throughout history. Should the Swedish flag be outlawed in Norway because my ancestors enforced our laws on them?

I dont think anything that happened in europe could compare to slavery. I doubt any of your ancestors were enslaved and made to work for a person and if they didnt want to they they were whipped, hung, beaten, and finally mrudered. A bunch of vikings pillaging and plundering doesnt' compare to slavery.

Not that Vikings have anything to do with it, but I fail to see how being killed by one is any different from being killed by someone else. The particular example happened just 100 years ago, which isn't exactly the viking-age. In Europe we've executed and enslaved people based on their nationality, skincolor and religion for thousands of years, I fail to see how that doesn't compare to slavery. For the record, we did have slavery in Europe aswell.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gah, this sounds like "We were treated worse" competition... But nonetheless, you'd have to be ignorant to make tyhe claim "I dont think anything that happened in europe could compare to slavery". Since someone was so quick to mention the Nazis, I guess we can use that as an example again. Should the German flag be outlawed in Israel?

I probably didnt word it the best way I know the haulacaust was horrible adn you're right we shouldnt' compare which was worse they were both horrible but don't say that flag doesnt offend anyone when it obviously does.

[unterwegs]

Although I am myself against freedom of speech/actions, I think it is somwhat ironic that people cry about wanting free speech and that it is peoples rights to be equal, but then complain when its the opposite way around. Arn't these people allowed freedom of spech and expression as well? even if it offends some people racially?

[Mr_Coffee]

Yeah, but when you think about it, there's at least one thing out of any object that people might find offensive or racist. Snowmen are white. Chimney sweepers are black. Tacos are yellow. It just depends on how you look at things and how sensitive you are.

[Guest GhostRanger]

I don't mind it. And over here in kentucky, we have a ton of them (mind you, i'm not a redneck as i just moved here :lol: ) and they usualy are just no more than a "redneck" symbol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where in KY? I live in KY and rarely see it (Not everywhere in KY is full of rednecks :P )

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There was a group of kids at my school last year who thought it be fun if they got into the Confederate Flag fad... they made it so that no respectable person would ever want to display one in public :wink:

[killkill1234]

alot of people are forgetting what the civil war was about. It was about freeing the slave, and the confed flag is a symbol of slavery. We should not forget.

[unknownmasterofnothing]

its pretty funny, i went like mid south and theres a lot of confederate flags, hope it doesn't mean they still have strong feelings for the confedracy, might be its memorial for ancestors.

[Guest GhostRanger]

alot of people are forgetting what the civil war was about. It was about freeing the slave, and the confed flag is a symbol of slavery. We should not forget.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That was the biggest issue in the civil war. But that issue fell inside the issue of the creation of a new party that opted for larger Federal government, and less state government. The south didn't want the north to make rules for them when the North didn't understand the circumstances in the South.

[SHIPPOU]

And I suppose you dont see any problems with nazi symbols either? Its not the symbol that is bad, but what is represents is. Ofcourse it shouldnt be banned but people should understand that is great disrespect to use them.

 

 

 

and you go off, and call a 3000+ year symbol for peace and long life, a symbol of racism and genoside.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's turned up Greese, and was traced back to China.

 

 

 

How DARE you post degrogratory statments, without doing your homework on the subject.

 

 

 

let me guess, you wil post next the iron cross is also racist?

 

 

 

Aw heck, lets just lable ALL things Deutsche as racist than, and get it over with!

[____]

I was litterally waiting for you to post something like that Shippou.

 

 

 

I remember you had a crack at someone over the same thing back on scape :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Although, I'm more inclined to just say anything can be racist if someone decides to use it.

[killkill1234]

 

alot of people are forgetting what the civil war was about. It was about freeing the slave, and the confed flag is a symbol of slavery. We should not forget.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That was the biggest issue in the civil war. But that issue fell inside the issue of the creation of a new party that opted for larger Federal government, and less state government. The south didn't want the north to make rules for them when the North didn't understand the circumstances in the South.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are you from the South by the way?

[dark_ice]

Nothin wrong the Confederate Flag in my opinion. Yes blacks went through a heck of a time in those days and I feel sry for the ppl that experienced it, but those times are gone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This sorta makes me think of how some blacks want to be called African americans when they have never even seen Africa. Yes that may be where you great great great great......great.....great grandpa came from but not you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Same applies to the flag. Your ancestors went through that stuff and it was a terrible time in history but its over now. Respect those that are gone but leave the past behind you.

[Hulk12]

I live in Missouri and I really think the confederate flag is used for decreation more than anything...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But if your going to say it's racist then somebody of the Jewish faith could say the cross is rasist... It's a double edged sword, no matter what some one is gonna get hurt.

[Pete_the_Viscous]

 

 

 

and you go off, and call a 3000+ year symbol for peace and long life, a symbol of racism and genoside.

 

 

 

It's turned up Greese, and was traced back to China.

 

 

 

How DARE you post degrogratory statments, without doing your homework on the subject.

 

 

 

let me guess, you wil post next the iron cross is also racist?

 

 

 

Aw heck, lets just lable ALL things Deutsche as racist than, and get it over with!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

While you're right (obviously; I mean, we all know this by now), it's not important what it originally meant. It's the same with words like awful and artificial. Most people wouldn't like others saying that their accomplishments are "Awful and artificial", but (here comes another one we all know by now) they used to mean awe-inspiring and artfull.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Similarly, pentacles used to have merely "mystical" connotations, as opposed to "evil" ones. If you walk down the street with a pentagram on your chest these days it's about 90% likely that people are going to associate you with "evil" than with magic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Another thing: in the USA (I heard it on the news, so it must be true, OBVIOUSLY :roll: TV is always right) one isn't allowed to teach school children the word "[racist term]rdly" (you see? I can't even use it on the forums. Never mind, I shall use this: nig-ahrdly spelt enn eye gee gee ay ar dee ell why). This is a perfectly good, anglo-saxon word meaning stingy; however, as it sounds like a racist word, it now has racist connotations, so people aren't allowed to teach it. A shame, really; just as it's a shame that a perfectly good symbol was soiled by use in such a campaign.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, what I meant was that, although you're right, and it's not racist to those who are well informed enough to understand; it's racist now, and will offend far more people than not.

[Guest GhostRanger]

 

 

alot of people are forgetting what the civil war was about. It was about freeing the slave, and the confed flag is a symbol of slavery. We should not forget.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That was the biggest issue in the civil war. But that issue fell inside the issue of the creation of a new party that opted for larger Federal government, and less state government. The south didn't want the north to make rules for them when the North didn't understand the circumstances in the South.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are you from the South by the way?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

People think I am because I live in KY and my family is from the south. (Texas w00t w00t) but I don't in anyway believe in the cause of the South I was just explaining the opposition.

[Bmw]

Man, Shippou calm down :roll:

 

 

 

Don't have a nervous breakdown man, its alright.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The swatsika is a sign of racism, because hitler made it out to be that. True, it existed way before his time and stood for no bad at all, but it was made out to be bad.

[Guest GhostRanger]

Man, Shippou calm down :roll:

 

 

 

Don't have a nervous breakdown man, its alright.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The swatsika is a sign of racism, because hitler made it out to be that. True, it existed way before his time and stood for no bad at all, but it was made out to be bad.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hence why its outlawed in Germany...

[logic-is-overrated]

The swatsika is a sign of racism, because hitler made it out to be that. True, it existed way before his time and stood for no bad at all, but it was made out to be bad.

Exactly. It's probably been said 20 times already, but the symbol is not racist. It's a picture or a drawing or whatever else it is. It has no tendencies either way. It's what the symbol stands for that matters. The swastika used to stand for whatever those indians wanted. But now that's changed. The confederate flag used to stand for racist, southern ideas but now it's just a trendy thing to tack on to your truck. You can't look at what it used to stand for, you have to look at what it's changed to stand for now.

[Barking-Loon]

 

And I suppose you dont see any problems with nazi symbols either? Its not the symbol that is bad, but what is represents is. Ofcourse it shouldnt be banned but people should understand that is great disrespect to use them.

 

 

 

and you go off, and call a 3000+ year symbol for peace and long life, a symbol of racism and genoside.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's turned up Greese, and was traced back to China.

 

 

 

How DARE you post degrogratory statments, without doing your homework on the subject.

 

 

 

let me guess, you wil post next the iron cross is also racist?

 

 

 

Aw heck, lets just lable ALL things Deutsche as racist than, and get it over with!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Read what Pete_the_Viscous wrote.

[Arcantica]

I dont think anything that happened in europe could compare to slavery. I doubt any of your ancestors were enslaved and made to work for a person and if they didnt want to they they were whipped, hung, beaten, and finally mrudered. A bunch of vikings pillaging and plundering doesnt' compare to slavery.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You must not know your history. Vikings were some of the biggest slave traders in history. Any history book will tell you this. They went off to the far corners of the world and not only brought back gold and items, but slaves as well. It was common in scandinavia for each family to own several slaves. Slaves were the vikings main trade item and source of income when they were off traveling throughout the world. Vikings easily took and sold more slaves than america did, by far.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And as far as the swastika goes, no single culture can claim its origin. Almost every culture through out the world has some sort of swastika in thier history. Vikings, asians, romans, native americans, even jews, used swastikas in their culture. http://www.manwoman.net

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Most people agree that hitler took the swastika symbol from the vikings, as a symbol of power. The Nazis also used several viking runes for their other symbols "SS and the Elhaz rune..." Nazis belived germans were decendants of an ancient pure nordic race, and heavily borrowed symbology from the ancient norse people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The confederate flag doesnt have as bad of a reputation as the swastika, and I dont think the swastika deserves the reputaion it has. Some countries even outlaw it. I myself will be honest. When I was a teen I got caught up in a few white supremist gangs. And as a result of that I got a few tattoos which Im not really proud of, but on the other hand I am a Norwegian born American, and the swastika is a ancient symbol of my culture which I am proud of. And due to the reputation the swastika has, people automaticly assume im a racist, yet I dont have any ties with the groups in my past. People create hate, not symbols. Sure some people get offended when they see certain symbols such as the swastika, or confederate flag, and assume the people displaying these symbols are themselves racist (even thoguh they most likley are), but people have to be carefull and not judge becuase they have other meanings to some people. The swastika does not represent the slaughter of the jews, and the confederate flag does not represent slavery.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If so, why not declare the american flag as a hate symbol? After all it was the flag used by the troops who vicously slaughtered innocient native amerians durring the 1800's. It was the same american flag which was being waved at wounded knee in 1880 when US troops shot and killed 300 unarmed native american women and children. The genocide the native americans faced was just as bad as what the jews faced. It is estimated that 95 percent of the native american population was wiped out. The united states did not fight and win their lands. What most history books dont record, are the millions of women and children US soidlers gun downed and slaughterd (even after surrendering). What the Americans did to the native americans, is just as bad as what Hitler did to the jews, except the americans got praised for what they did.

[RaZoR-CuTs]

I support the flag 100%, IMO If you sdotn like it than dont look at it. I Got on hangin on the wall in my bed room and my familty juust painted one on the top of our picnic table (look sweet) I dont think its a symbol of racisum.. it just reps what the south stood for during the civil war

[Veiva]

Unless the history book I read is wrong, African kings\lords\whatever you call them sold their own people... But the history book maybe wrong...

[Arcantica]

Unless the history book I read is wrong, African kings\lords\whatever you call them sold their own people... But the history book maybe wrong...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yea that is true, the first few slaves were sold by thier own people, ussualy slaves from other tribes or convicts. But after a while, Europeans started actualy kidnapping people after they got tired of buying them. They just figured "hey lets just take the people". Almost every culture had some sort of slavery in their past.

[Shas_O_Jay]

well yes what the us did to native americans was very wrong. but it is not our fault today. killing off a group of inferior people did not just happen in the us. im pretty sure it happened all around the world, in japan too when the samurai were killed off.