CHINA

[fire_thugRS]

Iam sick of seeing all the American Jobs move to china, it is gunna weaken our economy only strengthen theres which will not have good results.

 

 

 

We need to force the big corporations to stop doing this because it is betrayl to the people of our country!

[Bubsa]

I don't think being patriotic is a part of being a successful business, unfortunately.

 

 

 

Here in England, most of our direct enquiries are based in India. Why? It's just so much cheaper.

 

 

 

The Boddingtons factory recently moved after like 140 years. Of course it's sad and a piece of history lost, but we have to understand business motives.

 

 

 

Although, I admit, once in a while I wish patriocracy would win.

[dusqi]

The trick is to get into a job which isn't being outsourced, then you get to have a salary that is still decent, and it goes further because you can buy all the stuff that China produces for a cheaper price.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So get a decent job, that requires a good education, and then it won't be outsourced.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's just like when machines came along and started doing lots of the jobs that humans used to do. Instead of having 100 unskilled workers packing shampoo bottles into boxes, a machine just does it instead and 1 skilled operator looks over it and gets paid a lot of money for it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

More power to the intelligent people.

[Herr]

More power to the intelligent people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Seconded. If you don't take the time to better yourself through higher education then you have only yourself to blame for the lack of job security.

[Pyro]

 

More power to the intelligent people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Seconded. If you don't take the time to better yourself through higher education then you have only yourself to blame for the lack of job security.

It's easy to say that those without proper education have themselves to blame, but let's face it: There aren't no way near enough "high-ed" jobs in the western world to keep even half the people working. The lack of jobs will soon be a major problem in the western world, of this there can be no doubt.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But of course, attempting to force companies to stay in one country is impossible and ridiculous. If Chinese workers do it just as well for half the pay, why shouldn't they be able to do it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Iam sick of seeing all the American Jobs move to china, it is gunna weaken our economy only strengthen theres which will not have good results.

It will obviously have negative consequences for the American economy, but beyond that I fail to see how it will "not have good results". The average Chinese citizen earns a LOT less than the average American, is it really so bad to even it out just a bit?

[Rizla]

I don't think being patriotic is a part of being a successful business, unfortunately.

 

 

 

Here in England, most of our direct enquiries are based in India. Why? It's just so much cheaper.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yep, there's nothing i love more than trying to have a conversation with someone i can't understand. Then again it would be the same if the call centres were in Liverpool.

[Bubsa]

 

I don't think being patriotic is a part of being a successful business, unfortunately.

 

 

 

Here in England, most of our direct enquiries are based in India. Why? It's just so much cheaper.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yep, there's nothing i love more than trying to have a conversation with someone i can't understand. Then again it would be the same if the call centres were in Liverpool.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Watch your tongue boy :x

[Rizla]

Watch your tongue boy :x

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're Liverpudlian? Heh, what are the odds.

[Danabis]

 

I don't think being patriotic is a part of being a successful business, unfortunately.

 

 

 

Here in England, most of our direct enquiries are based in India. Why? It's just so much cheaper.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yep, there's nothing i love more than trying to have a conversation with someone i can't understand. Then again it would be the same if the call centres were in Liverpool.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Like it'd be so much better talking to you, Mr Somerset.

[indy500fan]

maybe if big buisnesses had many less restrictions, they wouldnt have to outsource to stay in buisness? you know who loses when the companies get outsourced? not the american people. they will get their items for cheaper. the only people who lose are the people who work for that company. and that is most likely their own fault, they probably got their union to make the company pay them 20 bucks an hour to put a nut on a bolt. a child or mentally challenged person could do that job. and what makes americans any better than chinese? americans should be allowed to have overpaid jobs, but chinese arent allowed to work at all? if some overpaid employee loses his job, and i end up getting my clothes cheaper, it doesnt hurt the economy, because now i, and everyone else, can buy more.

[Bubsa]

 

 

I don't think being patriotic is a part of being a successful business, unfortunately.

 

 

 

Here in England, most of our direct enquiries are based in India. Why? It's just so much cheaper.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yep, there's nothing i love more than trying to have a conversation with someone i can't understand. Then again it would be the same if the call centres were in Liverpool.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Like it'd be so much better talking to you, Mr Somerset.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hahaha! Owned pls :P

 

 

 

Yes I'm liverpudlian but I can speak in RP if I want.

[bs_johannes]

maybe if big buisnesses had many less restrictions, they wouldnt have to outsource to stay in buisness? you know who loses when the companies get outsourced? not the american people. they will get their items for cheaper. the only people who lose are the people who work for that company. and that is most likely their own fault, they probably got their union to make the company pay them 20 bucks an hour to put a nut on a bolt. a child or mentally challenged person could do that job. and what makes americans any better than chinese? americans should be allowed to have overpaid jobs, but chinese arent allowed to work at all? if some overpaid employee loses his job, and i end up getting my clothes cheaper, it doesnt hurt the economy, because now i, and everyone else, can buy more.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What you say is true, there is no damage done to the worldwide economy, since in overall people will buy more when the product becomes cheaper. What you do forget is the person who lost his job and will not be able to afford anything at all. This is where social security is supposed to kick in.

[Bmw]

I don't think being patriotic is a part of being a successful business, unfortunately.

 

 

 

Here in England, most of our direct enquiries are based in India. Why? It's just so much cheaper.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ahh, the infamous India customer support. * Calls Dell , gets transfered to India, where they barely speak english*

 

 

 

While i'm on the subject of India and business, don't transfer us to India beacuse its cheaper, we should be getting the most out of everything we do. India customer support really sucks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for American business, who cares? Whats done should be done to benefit the technology of our world, not America. I don't care if every scientist and computer engineer in America has to move to China to do it, but as long as I have awesome technology in my house in Canada, I'm happy. Who cares where its made, if its good, its good. :wink: 8)

[Peter]

I remember calling Dell customer support when they still had a few rare American customer support agents. The man I spoke to was very unhappy about what was going on, I got the impression he was about to lose his job.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What can I say though, it's their business. If they weren't in it to make money, why would they be in it? If a call to India instead of Idaho is going to inconvenience me a little, then I deal with it. Everyone gets angry, but the thing that makes the difference is how we show it.

[Evil_Elf]

I remember calling Dell customer support when they still had a few rare American customer support agents. The man I spoke to was very unhappy about what was going on, I got the impression he was about to lose his job.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Did you talk to him about a computer problem or about the job situation?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

/confused

[Rizla]

 

 

I don't think being patriotic is a part of being a successful business, unfortunately.

 

 

 

Here in England, most of our direct enquiries are based in India. Why? It's just so much cheaper.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yep, there's nothing i love more than trying to have a conversation with someone i can't understand. Then again it would be the same if the call centres were in Liverpool.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Like it'd be so much better talking to you, Mr Somerset.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not having a Scotsman take the piss out of my accent!

[Demeige]

Do I sense some tension in this topic? 8) j/p Anyway I say if the company feels like they have better chances of increasing profits in a different location I say go for it.

[sped99]

I hate china they take over all the sports because there are so maney of them the chances of one of them being good is higher because there must be over a 1billion of them :oops:

[Bmw]

I hate china they take over all the sports because there are so maney of them the chances of one of them being good is higher because there must be over a 1billion of them :oops:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wow, you're an idiot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First of all, there are so "maney" of China? Doesn't make sense. You meant to say that there are so many Chinese. Just because there are many Chinese people doesn't mean the chances of them being athletic/intelligent are greater.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When did this become a race thing? Answer: When you posted.

 

 

 

This topic has nothing to do with race, so don't take it there. The topic is about job loss in America due to better opportunity in China.

[Adam007]

The problem is that other countries take jobs, and it eventually dominos up to higher levels. China will overpass the US within 50 years, and personally I want that date extended, for obvious biases. Right now they might be only taking the 'easy' jobs, but eventually they'll be taking more 'advanced' American jobs and taking more cash from America, instead of it going to Americans. It's not just effecting the bottom layers of America. It's kind of like the food chain, in a different way. I'd imagine it'll keep moving up and up, taking more and more American jobs and American money into a rapidly growing world power. Then what? Another Cold War? I doubt much can be done to control it except radical things which corporations would hugely protest, so it's just an inevetibal thing that the world is going to have to adjust to.

[Evil_Elf]

Well I'm sure a future president will do something about immigration/aliens, so it might not get that bad. They'll realize someday whats going to happen if things keep up like this

[Legolover64]

IS WHERE CHINESE PEOPLE LIVE.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Meh, jobs are cheaper in China!

[Leon_Modera]

Iam sick of seeing all the American Jobs move to china, it is gunna weaken our economy only strengthen theres which will not have good results.

 

 

 

We need to force the big corporations to stop doing this because it is betrayl to the people of our country!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hey hey hey...watch your tounge. To any businessman, cheaper price for the same quality or better is usually what most of them choose. That is the primary reason why jobs are shipped overseas ----> Americans today do mediocre jobs compared to the past and the quality has deteriorated + prices are rising.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ask any businessman or woman, why pay higher price for something you can get it done cheaper and maybe better?

[battletrax]

The unemployment rate is about 5.5% which is only .5% higer than the natural rate of unemployment which is generally estimated at 5%. There isn't much of a problem there. As far as outsourcing in general, it isn't something that can or will be stopped. Companies only have 1 goal: to maximize profit. To fulfil this goal they must cut costs as much as possible. If American companies don't do this, we fall behind. If we try to keep lower-level jobs in America, we will just hurt American companies which will kill the economy.

 

 

 

Structural unemployment will always be present and the fact that it5's rising isn't such a bad thing. The real scare is that it's moving to slightly higher-level jobs these days.

 

 

 

Although it doesn't appear to be correct, a weaker dollar is actually a very good thing. At the moment, the Chinese tie their currency to ours, which is harming them more than us. (This is partly due to the fact that we have more foreign customers.)

 

 

 

Again, the problem is not as bad as it would appear granted it's still bad. Right now the Chinese economy has about an 8% growth rate, which is amazing. If this goes on for a while, China will be very strong very soon. The problem with this is that they're causing economic problems by manipuilating the value of their currency so much. This can't go on forever, and, when it stops, the results will be very interesting. I think that this will be the deciding moment of the current US-China economic situation.

 

 

 

Of course, there's also the element of communism. It's never been very politically stale, and China is no exception. The government isn't very friendly over there, which would cause problems in the future.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So in conclusion sort of, the problem isn't as bad as it seems, it can't be stopped, it's a natural part of free market economies, and the current situation will be changing on it's own shortly.

[battletrax]

 

Iam sick of seeing all the American Jobs move to china, it is gunna weaken our economy only strengthen theres which will not have good results.

 

 

 

We need to force the big corporations to stop doing this because it is betrayl to the people of our country!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hey hey hey...watch your tounge. To any businessman, cheaper price for the same quality or better is usually what most of them choose. That is the primary reason why jobs are shipped overseas ----> Americans today do mediocre jobs compared to the past and the quality has deteriorated + prices are rising.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ask any businessman or woman, why pay higher price for something you can get it done cheaper and maybe better?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Acautlly, the quality of labor isn't doing too good in America, but it's AWFUL in China. One of the major problems of all communist countries is the productivity of labor and the quality of it's products. If you got paid the same no matter how hard you worked, would you try at all? That's the problem.