baalboy5 Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 I have yet to see any convincing evidence for ghosts, poltergeists, UFOs, bigfoot, etc. You would think that with the number of "paranormal investigators" we would've found something worthwhile by now. Ghost hunters' pretty good show with nice evidence. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2oTGk8jvuw Don't you know the first rule of MMO's? Anyone higher level than you has no life, and anyone lower than you is a noob. People in OT eat glass when they are bored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzle229 Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 I love that Ghost Hunters. Watch it every Wednsday night :thumbsup: Better than Most Haunted, where people who claim to be phsycics walk through an old building saying "Yup theres ghosts in here." Sure, don't show us proof or anything, lets just take your word for it -.- Get back here so I can rub your butt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatsilverwyrm Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 I have yet to see any convincing evidence for ghosts, poltergeists, UFOs, bigfoot, etc. You would think that with the number of "paranormal investigators" we would've found something worthwhile by now. Ghost hunters' pretty good show with nice evidence. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2oTGk8jvuw 99% of their evidence is EVPs, which can all be chalked-up to pareidolia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agunimon979 Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 I have yet to see any convincing evidence for ghosts, poltergeists, UFOs, bigfoot, etc. You would think that with the number of "paranormal investigators" we would've found something worthwhile by now. I always say something exists until proven false. A very good opinion to have : If by very good you mean.. y'know.. very bad. I believe that a death fairy exists who will give me $1,000,00 in cash for every person I shoot in the head. This fairy will also make it so nobody will ever know I shot anybody so I'll get away with it! Can you see how bad that opinion can be? Can you prove it false? If you can't, then how do you know are you so sure that won't happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deloriagod Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 If by very good you mean.. y'know.. very bad. I believe that a death fairy exists who will give me $1,000,00 in cash for every person I shoot in the head. This fairy will also make it so nobody will ever know I shot anybody so I'll get away with it! Can you see how bad that opinion can be? No, I don't see how that opinion is bad to have. What you're showing is a good sign of a mental problem. Get that checked out asap. Internet Marketing For Newbies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lateralus Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 If by very good you mean.. y'know.. very bad. I believe that a death fairy exists who will give me $1,000,00 in cash for every person I shoot in the head. This fairy will also make it so nobody will ever know I shot anybody so I'll get away with it! Can you see how bad that opinion can be? No, I don't see how that opinion is bad to have. What you're showing is a good sign of a mental problem. Get that checked out asap. I agree that the reductio ad absurdum was a bad route to go down, but there's no way you can actually agree that any claim should just be believed on faith until it's been proven false. La lune ne garde aucune rancune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatsilverwyrm Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 [hide=previous material]I have yet to see any convincing evidence for ghosts, poltergeists, UFOs, bigfoot, etc. You would think that with the number of "paranormal investigators" we would've found something worthwhile by now. I always say something exists until proven false. A very good opinion to have : If by very good you mean.. y'know.. very bad. I believe that a death fairy exists who will give me $1,000,00 in cash for every person I shoot in the head. This fairy will also make it so nobody will ever know I shot anybody so I'll get away with it! Can you see how bad that opinion can be?[/hide] Can you prove it false? If you can't, then how do you know are you so sure that won't happen? No, I can't prove it false. Can you prove false that we're all actually elaborate sock puppets manipulated by giant radioactive space hamsters? No? Then why don't you assume that it's true and base your actions upon that idea? How about acid will actually make you grow taller, regardless of what it does to other materials? No? Why not drink some acid, then? I mean, seriously? Am I in bizarro-world? Why the hell would you assume something is true unless proven false? Would you want to be put on trial that way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatsilverwyrm Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 If by very good you mean.. y'know.. very bad. I believe that a death fairy exists who will give me $1,000,00 in cash for every person I shoot in the head. This fairy will also make it so nobody will ever know I shot anybody so I'll get away with it! Can you see how bad that opinion can be? No, I don't see how that opinion is bad to have. What you're showing is a good sign of a mental problem. Get that checked out asap. I agree that the reductio ad absurdum was a bad route to go down, but there's no way you can actually agree that any claim should just be believed on faith until it's been proven false. Aw, but I love reductio ad absurdum.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deloriagod Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 If by very good you mean.. y'know.. very bad. I believe that a death fairy exists who will give me $1,000,00 in cash for every person I shoot in the head. This fairy will also make it so nobody will ever know I shot anybody so I'll get away with it! Can you see how bad that opinion can be? No, I don't see how that opinion is bad to have. What you're showing is a good sign of a mental problem. Get that checked out asap. I agree that the reductio ad absurdum was a bad route to go down, but there's no way you can actually agree that any claim should just be believed on faith until it's been proven false. One word: Religion Internet Marketing For Newbies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lateralus Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 If by very good you mean.. y'know.. very bad. I believe that a death fairy exists who will give me $1,000,00 in cash for every person I shoot in the head. This fairy will also make it so nobody will ever know I shot anybody so I'll get away with it! Can you see how bad that opinion can be? No, I don't see how that opinion is bad to have. What you're showing is a good sign of a mental problem. Get that checked out asap. I agree that the reductio ad absurdum was a bad route to go down, but there's no way you can actually agree that any claim should just be believed on faith until it's been proven false. One word: Religion That's not really any kind of answer, and if you'd seen any of my posts on religious topics you'd know that I think religion is just about as silly as ghosts and all that. I know that people believe things because they have faith in them, but that doesn't mean I agree with it. It's also worth noting that the guy said he believed in anything until it was shown to be false, not that he just believed in some things that weren't shown to be false yet. So, to use the example of religion, that would include all faiths and sects, and therefore a huge number of conflicting and contradicting ideas. So, believing in anything just because it hasn't been shown to be false - Pretty silly, right? La lune ne garde aucune rancune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzle229 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Religion involves faith because thats the whole point. Ghosts, well.... what does faith have to do with it? There is tons of evidence. But it isn't scientifically proven. Evidence + Not enough to prove = We can't really say either way. We can only have opinions. Get back here so I can rub your butt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lateralus Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Religion involves faith because thats the whole point. Ghosts, well.... what does faith have to do with it? There is tons of evidence. But it isn't scientifically proven. Evidence + Not enough to prove = We can't really say either way. We can only have opinions. I'm not sure if you're talking to me or not, but I'll reply anyway I suppose. I understand that faith is the whole 'point' in religion, I'm just saying that's also the reason I disagree with it. Most of the so called evidence for ghosts and other paranormal stuff is just misinformation. I think there's an element of faith to believing in ghosts because people who do (or at least some of them) will believe in it without evidence, with wrong evidence, and even sometimes in spite of the 'real' evidence which suggests otherwise. La lune ne garde aucune rancune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzle229 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Religion involves faith because thats the whole point. Ghosts, well.... what does faith have to do with it? There is tons of evidence. But it isn't scientifically proven. Evidence + Not enough to prove = We can't really say either way. We can only have opinions. I'm not sure if you're talking to me or not, but I'll reply anyway I suppose. I understand that faith is the whole 'point' in religion, I'm just saying that's also the reason I disagree with it. Most of the so called evidence for ghosts and other paranormal stuff is just misinformation. I think there's an element of faith to believing in ghosts because people who do (or at least some of them) will believe in it without evidence, with wrong evidence, and even sometimes in spite of the 'real' evidence which suggests otherwise. Most of us believe in ghosts because of evidence. Though yes, there are some people who will blindly believe whatever some TV show told them. Get back here so I can rub your butt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lateralus Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Most of us believe in ghosts because of evidence. Though yes, there are some people who will blindly believe whatever some TV show told them. If you could point me to some I'd read it sometime, but it would be with the most skeptic of eyes. I know lots of people supposedly see ghosts, but it's can usually be explained in other ways. There's another reason why I mentioned faith and ghosts in the same breath - Lack of empirical evidence. In lots of cases there's no way at all to test anything (as with religion. Like you said it's all about faith, not evidence), and in the cases they do test the paranormal always comes up short. La lune ne garde aucune rancune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzle229 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Most of us believe in ghosts because of evidence. Though yes, there are some people who will blindly believe whatever some TV show told them. If you could point me to some I'd read it sometime, but it would be with the most skeptic of eyes. I know lots of people supposedly see ghosts, but it's can usually be explained in other ways. it can almost always be explained, yes. That's why I like Ghost Hunters, they don't say a place is haunted unless the really can't explain it. 2 of them are plumbers, so they have explained A LOT by looking at a house's waterworks. When they say somewhere is haunted, it definitely means something coming from them. (again, unlike Most Haunted -.- ) Get back here so I can rub your butt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warrior2113 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Didn't happen to me but my cousin told me that when she was like 7 or 8 she was sleeping in Bosnia and she woke up for some reason and she told me that she felt like someone was moving her foot. So is it really possible for ghosts to have physical contact or was her imagination acting up? also I saw something on t.v about violent ghosts leaving scratch marks and bruises on people and if this is true has it happened to any of you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatsilverwyrm Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Didn't happen to me but my cousin told me that when she was like 7 or 8 she was sleeping in Bosnia and she woke up for some reason and she told me that she felt like someone was moving her foot. So is it really possible for ghosts to have physical contact or was her imagination acting up? also I saw something on t.v about violent ghosts leaving scratch marks and bruises on people and if this is true has it happened to any of you? That was probably a lucid dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatsilverwyrm Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Most of us believe in ghosts because of evidence. Though yes, there are some people who will blindly believe whatever some TV show told them. If you could point me to some I'd read it sometime, but it would be with the most skeptic of eyes. I know lots of people supposedly see ghosts, but it's can usually be explained in other ways. it can almost always be explained, yes. That's why I like Ghost Hunters, they don't say a place is haunted unless the really can't explain it. 2 of them are plumbers, so they have explained A LOT by looking at a house's waterworks. When they say somewhere is haunted, it definitely means something coming from them. (again, unlike Most Haunted -.- ) As I said, 99% of their stuff is EVPs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadril Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 I mean, seriously? Am I in bizarro-world? Why the hell would you assume something is true unless proven false? Would you want to be put on trial that way? Well, we couldn't prove the defendant wasn't there at the crime scene, so off to jail you go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oy_the_Great Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 I once had this crazy vision: all the people who saw ghosts and experienced other paranormal events just had a screw loose and their mind played tricks on them. Luckily I quickly woke up and realised that they were of course not imagining things, but actually were gifted with a sixth sense. Bill Hicks[/url]":dhj2kan9]Since the one thing we can say about fundamental matter is, that it is vibrating. And since all vibrations are theoretically sound, then it is not unreasonable to suggest that the universe is music and should be perceived as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiChef Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Reading all this has made me freak out over the slightest things. There's three shelves on my computer draw that don't have a lid, they pull out. I always have my feet in the bottom one because it's always empty. Well I just put them there then and I felt something touch my feet. I instinctevly ran to my room and grabbed a piece of drainage pipe that we made in Primary School and said it was a Didgerydoo. (Take that people trying to make guitars out of boxes!) So I started poking the shelf and I felt it hit something. So now I was thinking there was someone/think hiding in the space. I bravely looked down, which is nothing like me, and it was my mum's sewing box :lol: God I hate this thread :lol: Anyway back on topic... Somewhere on this thread i've posted my own paranormal experience so i'm gonna post some of my family's. My Dad: As it stands, does not beleive in ghosts, but for some reason saw one when he was younger (still doesn't beleive in them :? ) Anyway when he was about my age (14) he was walking around on his own on these wide streets. But the streets had been desserted for years and the upper floor's floor had been removed for whatever reason. Well he was walking along the street one day and he saw someone looking out from the Upper floor window. Which obviously would be impossible unless he was really really tall. But then he never saw anything again... My Grandad: Fellow ghost fanatic :thumbsup: Anyway when he was in his twenties he was an army person. But he was never called into battle, sorta like a reserve guy. Anyway he was in the barracks and was going down to the boiler room to fix the boiler, he was quite good as a mechanic apparently. And on his way down he saw someone coming out of the Boiler room. Now he knew that some proper mechanics were on the way, so he thought this man was a mechanic. So my grandad said, "The Boiler fixed then?" and the man just smiled. "Is everything OK?" and he just carried on smiling. So my Grandad walked past him and was just about to go into the Boiler room when he turned round, the man was gone. So he went inside and found that he couldn't fix it afterall, so went back up to wait for the mechanics. He went into another room where he saw his seargent. He told him about the mystery man and his seargent said a man just like him died eight months ago... Good fun eh? :lol: Li Chef /m\_(-.-)_/m\"The sort of twee person who thinks swearing is any way a sign of lack of education or of a lack of verbal interest is just [bleep]ing lunacy" ~ Stephen Fry The Creativity Shack - A forum for Writers, Artists and Musicians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venomai Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Didn't happen to me but my cousin told me that when she was like 7 or 8 she was sleeping in Bosnia and she woke up for some reason and she told me that she felt like someone was moving her foot. So is it really possible for ghosts to have physical contact or was her imagination acting up? also I saw something on t.v about violent ghosts leaving scratch marks and bruises on people and if this is true has it happened to any of you? That was probably a lucid dream. Sounds more like sleep paralysis and/or hypnagogia. also I saw something on t.v about violent ghosts leaving scratch marks and bruises on people and if this is true has it happened to any of you? Scratches and bruises are usually self-inflicted (which may indicate a sleeping disorder) or inflicted by some other person in the household (e.g. abusive father). There's no reason to assume it would be ghosts leaving these marks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oegly41 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 I believe that a death fairy exists who will give me $1,000,00 in cash for every person I shoot in the head. This fairy will also make it so nobody will ever know I shot anybody so I'll get away with it! Can you see how bad that opinion can be? That's not bad because this angel is not proven false, it is bad because you will kill people for money. Believing that something is true until it's proven false means that you don't deny anything, not that you arrange your live as if it exists. My friend had an experience which is a perfect example of how his senses and his logic deceived him: As his vision is not too good, he wears glasses most of the time. These glasses have been approved by doctors and everything, and my friend believed that he saw the world as other people see it. One day, he got a new examination, and discovered that he had been wearing the wrong type of glasses his whole life. He got the right type of glasses, and suddenly, his vision was a lot clearer. He asked himself: "Whoa! Has the world always looked like this?" So all in all, you are not a good troll. Filesharer.org - Upload your mugshot to support The Pirate Bay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agunimon979 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 [hide=previous material]I have yet to see any convincing evidence for ghosts, poltergeists, UFOs, bigfoot, etc. You would think that with the number of "paranormal investigators" we would've found something worthwhile by now. I always say something exists until proven false. A very good opinion to have : If by very good you mean.. y'know.. very bad. I believe that a death fairy exists who will give me $1,000,00 in cash for every person I shoot in the head. This fairy will also make it so nobody will ever know I shot anybody so I'll get away with it! Can you see how bad that opinion can be?[/hide] Can you prove it false? If you can't, then how do you know are you so sure that won't happen? No, I can't prove it false. Can you prove false that we're all actually elaborate sock puppets manipulated by giant radioactive space hamsters? No? Then why don't you assume that it's true and base your actions upon that idea? How about acid will actually make you grow taller, regardless of what it does to other materials? No? Why not drink some acid, then? I mean, seriously? Am I in bizarro-world? Why the hell would you assume something is true unless proven false? Would you want to be put on trial that way? How do you know that we're not all "elaborate sock puppets manipulated by giant radioactive space hamsters?" What if we are? Doesn't make sense of course, since you're really not perspective, but who knows, it's a universe we don't understand, anything could be, humans are not the whole big brain of the universe. Doesn't matter if it sounds silly. What sounds silly is a box that projects images, kind of like another dimension in a box, doesn't it? It did back in the day. Now it's TV. Oooh, you italized the hell. Watchout your mommy doesn't see you swearing again, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatsilverwyrm Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 I believe that a death fairy exists who will give me $1,000,00 in cash for every person I shoot in the head. This fairy will also make it so nobody will ever know I shot anybody so I'll get away with it! Can you see how bad that opinion can be? That's not bad because this angel is not proven false, it is bad because you will kill people for money. Believing that something is true until it's proven false means that you don't deny anything, not that you arrange your live as if it exists. My friend had an experience which is a perfect example of how his senses and his logic deceived him: As his vision is not too good, he wears glasses most of the time. These glasses have been approved by doctors and everything, and my friend believed that he saw the world as other people see it. One day, he got a new examination, and discovered that he had been wearing the wrong type of glasses his whole life. He got the right type of glasses, and suddenly, his vision was a lot clearer. He asked himself: "Whoa! Has the world always looked like this?" Perhaps I should clarify. I don't think we should assume things are false until proven true, because really you can't prove anything is 100% without a shadow of a doubt true. I do think though that we shouldn't assume things are true until we've been shown credible objective evidence for them. So all in all, you are not a good troll. Just because I disagree with you doesn't make me a troll. Cute picture though, it really helps your argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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