elucin8er Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Jagex are officially beyond retarted. At first I thought Pest Control was the biggest insult to us old timers, but Bounty Hunting has topped it off completly. WTF were they thinking. This is why a game made by non gamers goes through so many flaws. Bounty Hunting has completely ruined the honor system we upheld, its beyond disgusting. Praying 1v1 in combat was unheard of in the old days, and pjing with friends ther exists more than ever. So angry, Jagex are toppling downhill faster and faster, establishing Runescape more and more each day as a game for young children who haven't hit puberty. It's become mindless and disgraceful. Proper Daily blogging including Starcraft 2! Includes goal for 80+ all stats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasscube Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Completely agree. Help drive change Canada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephiroth_king Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 It's Re-tar-D-ed. If you're trying to avoid the censor, please stop. If you can't spell, use a dictionary. Look, at least JaGex is trying to give us something back from what they took away. Bounty Hunting may suck, but they took away the Wildy with their fight against RWTing. Ergo, they invented a PVP combat mini game, not that great but you should be glad that you got it. And honor system?! Maybe a long time ago in classic. At the dawn of RS2, there wasn't such a thing. Mindless idiots who established death dots. Clans coming and PKing anyone they can see. And I battled plenty of arrogant idiots who would activate prayer and told me I couldn't eat food or use prayer. The only thing I can say is GET OVER IT, it;s been said many times in this Rant forum but this is seven month hold news which we needn't hear more of. If you don't like it, leave. Hoping to get a new Signature (with matching avatar) soon. :D In the meantime...Steam username: )I'll rewrite it later (add me if you want) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felter_Laur Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Exactly in the RS world that I have always known (will be 4 years in August), honor system had rarely been used. do you know how many times I was attacked while doing clues? More times than I could count. How about the number of times being attacked by someone while trying to hunt green dragons? Or the ruthless, Abyss killers. I realize that the wilderness was created to be dangerous, but unless you had a huge clan with you the wilderness was a place I stayed away from. Yes, you could say that I was an unskilled PKer, but as an opposite opinion to yours...there is more to runescape than killing another person. Open your eyes to the other possibilities...they are there. Remember that a wolf at the top of a mountain is no longer hungry, but the food is there. (paraphrased from Arnold Schwarzenegger from Pumping Iron)... not sure how this is applicable it just came to my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elucin8er Posted July 16, 2008 Author Share Posted July 16, 2008 It's Re-tar-D-ed. If you're trying to avoid the censor, please stop. If you can't spell, use a dictionary. Look, at least JaGex is trying to give us something back from what they took away. Bounty Hunting may suck, but they took away the Wildy with their fight against RWTing. Ergo, they invented a PVP combat mini game, not that great but you should be glad that you got it. And honor system?! Maybe a long time ago in classic. At the dawn of RS2, there wasn't such a thing. Mindless idiots who established death dots. Clans coming and PKing anyone they can see. And I battled plenty of arrogant idiots who would activate prayer and told me I couldn't eat food or use prayer. The only thing I can say is GET OVER IT, it;s been said many times in this Rant forum but this is seven month hold news which we needn't hear more of. If you don't like it, leave. See, the one problem here is, you're not an oldschool pker. This is a rant forum where I hope to reach out to others in my situation. I do not need to hear your 2 cents especially when you are in no position to compare the old and the new. Do not shut my rant down, instead read it, disagree and move on without posting. I'm here for a select group of people, and you are not one of them. Proper Daily blogging including Starcraft 2! Includes goal for 80+ all stats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felter_Laur Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Actually, I don't think Sephiroth_king's post was distasteful or out of place. All of the comments are accurate and within the realm of the topic. I have been around Runescape off and on for nearly 4 years. Honor has always been a hit and miss thing. Many times you would have individuals or even whole clans who did not care about honor. That was a way of life 4 years ago, and it is a way of life now. Unfortunately, had honor been a theme throughout Runescape players then we probably would still have the wilderness (botting was dishonorable in my opinon). However the diversity of people in the world made honor a fantasy. Honor is a nice thought, but it is a choice just like everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elucin8er Posted July 16, 2008 Author Share Posted July 16, 2008 Actually, I don't think Sephiroth_king's post was distasteful or out of place. All of the comments are accurate and within the realm of the topic. I have been around Runescape off and on for nearly 4 years. Honor has always been a hit and miss thing. Many times you would have individuals or even whole clans who did not care about honor. That was a way of life 4 years ago, and it is a way of life now. Unfortunately, had honor been a theme throughout Runescape players then we probably would still have the wilderness (botting was dishonorable in my opinon). However the diversity of people in the world made honor a fantasy. Honor is a nice thought, but it is a choice just like everyone else. This post is the wilderness in general, f2p wilderness to be exact. ------ RSC wilderness was about as good as you could get. RS2 and the desutruction of 3 hitting and introduction of protect from melee ( worst ... prayer ... ever ) made killing people farily IMPOSSIBLE. So players were forced to create an honor system which I believed was followed by the good pkers, and ignored by the ones who couldn't make it as successful pkers. It firstly invloved not eating unless you were in danger of being 1 shot ( as fights would last indefinetly ) Praying melee 1v1 was out of the question Pjing has always existed, no exceptions here. The honor system underwent changes every time jagex clicked the update button, making it harder and harder for us to adapt. Teleblock was ( imo ) nearly the doom of the wilderness, as deep wild pking became non existant. Players would easily teleblock and lure you into clans at the ladder ( now lever ), so it was declared dead. Edge pking took over, and struggled big time, but it was still there and our honor system was still in play. I leave, and come back to find it gone, and Bounty Hunter in play. Bounty hunter is quite simply, deep end wild pking, with advanced teleblock mechanisms. EVERYONE prays 1v1, incredibly boring. EVERYONE eats at 78hp. Lame lame. Already, for us oldschoolers, its hit rock bottom. But wait, now if you even dare go for rogue points, the lingering clan will be waiting to smash 10 people onto you, heaps fun. It's over, everyone who stuck around after jagex's 3 update screw ups and to pk in world 18 edgeville with me can tell you that. I think it's the last straw. Proper Daily blogging including Starcraft 2! Includes goal for 80+ all stats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alg Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Perhaps you should learn why they did it before you bash the company that you're an 'old timer' to... This,and this Should help, if you read them. I painted some stuff and put it on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felter_Laur Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 I have never argued that the wilderness wasn't dratically changed. I am not even necessarily saying that the new system is better than the old (from a player standpoint if you ignore RWT). I am just saying you are talking of quitting the game without (at least it seems that way) looking at all the other things to do in the game. Expand your horizons, do bh anyway, or quit. I for one, would like to see everyone try to expand their horizons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willyhenriksen Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 "Praying 1v1 in combat was unheard of in the old days, and pjing with friends ther exists more than ever." Well... If I wouldn't be flamed for it I'd be using very large letters here "IT IS BECAUSE OF THE PLAYERS! NOT BECAUSE OF JAGEX!" Now, go rant on the community. R.I.P. Shiva and Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eatrunearrow Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Jagex are officially beyond retarted. At first I thought Pest Control was the biggest insult to us old timers, but Bounty Hunting has topped it off completly. WTF were they thinking. This is why a game made by non gamers goes through so many flaws. Bounty Hunting has completely ruined the honor system we upheld, its beyond disgusting. Praying 1v1 in combat was unheard of in the old days, and pjing with friends ther exists more than ever. So angry, Jagex are toppling downhill faster and faster, establishing Runescape more and more each day as a game for young children who haven't hit puberty. It's become mindless and disgraceful. I'm obviously going to agree with every word you say on here. I've watched the decline of pvp in rs since classic.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felter_Laur Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Well, did you ignore the decline of runescape as a whole in this time. Did you know that I used to see multitudes of bots collecting snape grass? The bots and rwt was so rampant that it was sickening. I am sorry that your precious wilderness is no longer the same, but really. This whining is getting just plain pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omali Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Jagex are officially beyond retarted. At first I thought Pest Control was the biggest insult to us old timers, but Bounty Hunting has topped it off completly. WTF were they thinking. This is why a game made by non gamers goes through so many flaws. Bounty Hunting has completely ruined the honor system we upheld, its beyond disgusting. Praying 1v1 in combat was unheard of in the old days, and pjing with friends ther exists more than ever. So angry, Jagex are toppling downhill faster and faster, establishing Runescape more and more each day as a game for young children who haven't hit puberty. It's become mindless and disgraceful. Certainly not as "retarted" as your post. A game by non gamers? Right, not even going to touch on that. The only people who use the "honor system" in pking are the same idiotic children who are afraid of change brought in by the weekly updates and doomsayers like eatrunearrow here who spend their time complaining about every aspect of the game and how it's ruined, yet still play it. young children who haven't hit puberty? As opposed to young children who have hit puberty? Is there a calling for that market? I don't know, it seems like a small focus group. It's been 7, going on 8 months now. Either get over it or quit, but we've heard your half-assed complaints a thousand times over, and a lot of the other times, a lot more intelligently spoken to boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felter_Laur Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Omali, I just wanted to say. If you are ever looking for a runescape friend, you are welcome to add me. Your opinion and mine seem to mesh. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mervinator_9 Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Omali - utter legend Hate to tell you but the old Pking honour system is just utter crap and to try use it in an arguement about bounty hunter and the decline of the pking is a joke Why if the honour system is so sacrid and precious has no-one implimented it into bounty hunter? because it was never really wide spread, well sure as hell wasnt for the last 2-3 years the wildy was around, and by that point the "honour system" was just a way of saying "ye you beat he noob, but only because you prayed/ate/potted/teled etc (i.e used the full aspects of the game) If the Oldschool pkers were so concern about honour why isn't there people in BH saying that now? Because a) there are different people playing now (less amture maybe but not really overall) B) more people playing (more difficult to try to get the idea of honour over) c) no one cares for it any more BH didn't ruin the honour system, Pkers did. By the end of the wildy the only Pkers (f2p at least) were pures looking for easy money. The wildy was awesome, the honour system, for most, was not exisitant Most importantly BH is not a replacement for the wildy, jagex has moved away from kill/loot aspects of the game And people saying "7 months old" well i think im right in saying you've just come back to the game so i guess this is your first chance to rant, however This is why a game made by non gamers goes through so many flaws. It's become mindless and disgraceful.That my friend is Retarted :shame: Theres a fine line between not listening and not caring,I like to think I walk this line every day. Pinning blame on Jagex is like trying to put pants on an old man. You both know he needs them, but he'll just keep dancing around, avoiding them at all costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mervinator_9 Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 i tink, that jegex is noob. And that my friends is the reason no-one will take a rant about pking/BH seriously Thank you albert, your input and insight are only outweighted by your grace and clear perfect grasp of the english language Theres a fine line between not listening and not caring,I like to think I walk this line every day. Pinning blame on Jagex is like trying to put pants on an old man. You both know he needs them, but he'll just keep dancing around, avoiding them at all costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mico Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 My 5th year of playing and I must say, the Wilderness did decline trough the years, so did the IQ level on Tip.it after it was gone. RSN:Mico1311 Combat: 82 Highest skill: Fishing 75 Playing time: From around August 2003 The guy in my avatar is Veso, a comedian mastermind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodkay Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 ^ Agreed. People just won't accept the fact that the game is changing. I've been playing for 4 years strong, and I still don't feel like Runescape is worse than it was. Indeed I find it better~ The Ranters about how RS has changed are usually a minority, so there's no real threat to them :P Taking a Playstation 3 break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eatrunearrow Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 ^ Agreed. People just won't accept the fact that the game is changing. I've been playing for 4 years strong, and I still don't feel like Runescape is worse than it was. Indeed I find it better~ The Ranters about how RS has changed are usually a minority, so there's no real threat to them :P You were never a pker.. You'll never understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodkay Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 ^ Agreed. People just won't accept the fact that the game is changing. I've been playing for 4 years strong, and I still don't feel like Runescape is worse than it was. Indeed I find it better~ The Ranters about how RS has changed are usually a minority, so there's no real threat to them :P You were never a pker.. You'll never understand. I'm kinda glad I never enjoyed PKing, because then I'd be in the same boat as you guys who can't find anything else to do now except Rant about it on forums. I have tried it, never liked it, so of course I'll see people complaining about it as pointless. I expect the same from PKer's who hate Woodcutting, if Woodcutting were to be changed enough for me to rant about it. What exactly don't I understand? Taking a Playstation 3 break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephiroth_king Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 My 5th year of playing and I must say, the Wilderness did decline trough the years, so did the IQ level on Tip.it after it was gone. You do realize IQ means Intelligence quotient, right? Not something stupid like "Intelligency Quest" or "International Quasmaloid"? I think aside from a couple of morons, the other 200,000 or so of us registered in this forum are pretty smart. And most of us aren't children, so our IQ level is in a more mature level...If you're looking for low IQ, go here. Say hi to the other smart [wagon] who think they're leet and brilliant... -.- The fact is, like I said, in classic there may have been an honor system, but I've been playing RS2 since the beginning, no one person just said "/\/0 n00b u c@nt use pr@yr lolololllol n0 f00d lol" no, no, no, no, NO. The only time I heard that was from an arrogant moron who thought they were the only one's who can eat or pray. And The only place of honor was the Duel Arena; you bet and fought with your restrictions, and your own settings...The wilderness? Either avoid the clans, death dots, and PKers or die. Kill or be killed. If thats honor, then you old schoolers have no idea what true honor is... Mervinator is also right, if honor existed, then bounty hunter would have it, since it's basically the only replacement of the wilderness...And if Honor existed, I s'pose the greedy PKers ruined it, then? Again, enough of this old news...Good luck with all of your future crusades, argue over in RS official forums. It's the only place where many people will agree with you... Eatrunearrow: Your doomsaying pisses me off. Everything is always wrong with RuneScape with you. GET OUT! Rant forum or not, you can't just assume people weren't PKers and make an idiot out of yourself. Stop. Please. And I agree with blood kay too. Change is good--Obama says so, no matter how much I hate him...Something tells me the majority of Ranters are republicans who don't like change... :P Hoping to get a new Signature (with matching avatar) soon. :D In the meantime...Steam username: )I'll rewrite it later (add me if you want) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eatrunearrow Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 My 5th year of playing and I must say, the Wilderness did decline trough the years, so did the IQ level on Tip.it after it was gone. You do realize IQ means Intelligence quotient, right? Not something stupid like "Intelligency Quest" or "International Quasmaloid"? I think aside from a couple of morons, the other 200,000 or so of us registered in this forum are pretty smart. And most of us aren't children, so our IQ level is in a more mature level...If you're looking for low IQ, go here. Say hi to the other smart [wagon] who think they're leet and brilliant... -.- The fact is, like I said, in classic there may have been an honor system, but I've been playing RS2 since the beginning, no one person just said "/\/0 n00b u c@nt use pr@yr lolololllol n0 f00d lol" no, no, no, no, NO. The only time I heard that was from an arrogant moron who thought they were the only one's who can eat or pray. And The only place of honor was the Duel Arena; you bet and fought with your restrictions, and your own settings...The wilderness? Either avoid the clans, death dots, and PKers or die. Kill or be killed. If thats honor, then you old schoolers have no idea what true honor is... Mervinator is also right, if honor existed, then bounty hunter would have it, since it's basically the only replacement of the wilderness...And if Honor existed, I s'pose the greedy PKers ruined it, then? Again, enough of this old news...Good luck with all of your future crusades, argue over in RS official forums. It's the only place where many people will agree with you... Eatrunearrow: Your doomsaying pisses me off. Everything is always wrong with RuneScape with you. GET OUT! Rant forum or not, you can't just assume people weren't PKers and make an idiot out of yourself. Stop. Please. And I agree with blood kay too. Change is good--Obama says so, no matter how much I hate him...Something tells me the majority of Ranters are republicans who don't like change... :P 1. I am a Democrat. 2. Change is not good when it's done wrong. (BH, G.E, Item lending) 3. It is safe to assume the majority of people against me were never pkers. This is true actually, most of the people that flame me are skillers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephiroth_king Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 My 5th year of playing and I must say, the Wilderness did decline trough the years, so did the IQ level on Tip.it after it was gone. You do realize IQ means Intelligence quotient, right? Not something stupid like "Intelligency Quest" or "International Quasmaloid"? I think aside from a couple of morons, the other 200,000 or so of us registered in this forum are pretty smart. And most of us aren't children, so our IQ level is in a more mature level...If you're looking for low IQ, go here. Say hi to the other smart [wagon] who think they're leet and brilliant... -.- The fact is, like I said, in classic there may have been an honor system, but I've been playing RS2 since the beginning, no one person just said "/\/0 n00b u c@nt use pr@yr lolololllol n0 f00d lol" no, no, no, no, NO. The only time I heard that was from an arrogant moron who thought they were the only one's who can eat or pray. And The only place of honor was the Duel Arena; you bet and fought with your restrictions, and your own settings...The wilderness? Either avoid the clans, death dots, and PKers or die. Kill or be killed. If thats honor, then you old schoolers have no idea what true honor is... Mervinator is also right, if honor existed, then bounty hunter would have it, since it's basically the only replacement of the wilderness...And if Honor existed, I s'pose the greedy PKers ruined it, then? Again, enough of this old news...Good luck with all of your future crusades, argue over in RS official forums. It's the only place where many people will agree with you... Eatrunearrow: Your doomsaying pisses me off. Everything is always wrong with RuneScape with you. GET OUT! Rant forum or not, you can't just assume people weren't PKers and make an idiot out of yourself. Stop. Please. And I agree with blood kay too. Change is good--Obama says so, no matter how much I hate him...Something tells me the majority of Ranters are republicans who don't like change... :P 1. I am a Democrat. 2. Change is not good when it's done wrong. (BH, G.E, Item lending) 3. It is safe to assume the majority of people against me were never pkers. This is true actually, most of the people that flame me are skillers. 1) It was a joke. I'm aware most aren't republicans. All the more reason to call you an idiot. 2) Really? Give me a proposal of whats right then. Keep RWTing, and shut down, or eliminate it, implement a replacement until new PvP exists. The G.E was good, it stopped greedy [wagon] from controlling the economy. Item Lending is fine, it gives people a chance to lend before buying. And guess what? If you don't like people bothering you, then turn all chats to friends. If you don't want to be charged for lending, then find someone who will loan it for free. Otherwise, give me valid reasons why they suck. 3) So, those people that were attacking you were just skillers? When you die bh another players hands, you were PKed. They were known as PKers, even if they were skillers. You=fail, as usual. Hoping to get a new Signature (with matching avatar) soon. :D In the meantime...Steam username: )I'll rewrite it later (add me if you want) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mico Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 My post was a joke aswell, I didn' t really mean that the IQ fell, it was meant as when the rants started popping out and mostly started wild flamings and the responses were quite harsh really. Let' s say, the first two months or something like that were quite intense as PKers rioted on the forums here and RSOF. After that, some small similar rants got soaked in gas and ignited. I come to the rants forum since here I can learn from problems not read "get over it" or "you stupid moron" or "Jagex is [bleep]ex". Doesn' t sound too smart to me. Then came Omali and just killed those rants with his brilliance if I may say so myself. He found every flaw and crushed half assed rants as they are called. I do remember nerdattack doing something aswell, you sephiroth_king as I have read, you made some good points. And you' re one of many, many that commonly don' t see my humor. Works in my country since here it' s common, I can understand it' s not funny to the rest of the world. I don' t know the english word for it but I can say that it' s actually very harsh to the target and you must understand it to get it. Oh and be warned, I' m tired and I can' t think right now, I have the dumb. I' ll probably find another flaw after someone corrects me and I' ll rewrite my post as it should be written. RSN:Mico1311 Combat: 82 Highest skill: Fishing 75 Playing time: From around August 2003 The guy in my avatar is Veso, a comedian mastermind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephiroth_king Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 My post was a joke aswell, I didn' t really mean that the IQ fell, it was meant as when the rants started popping out and mostly started wild flamings and the responses were quite harsh really. Let' s say, the first two months or something like that were quite intense as PKers rioted on the forums here and RSOF. After that, some small similar rants got soaked in gas and ignited. I come to the rants forum since here I can learn from problems not read "get over it" or "you stupid moron" or "Jagex is [bleep]ex". Doesn' t sound too smart to me. Then came Omali and just killed those rants with his brilliance if I may say so myself. He found every flaw and crushed half assed rants as they are called. I do remember nerdattack doing something aswell, you sephiroth_king as I have read, you made some good points. And you' re one of many, many that commonly don' t see my humor. Works in my country since here it' s common, I can understand it' s not funny to the rest of the world. I don' t know the english word for it but I can say that it' s actually very harsh to the target and you must understand it to get it. Oh and be warned, I' m tired and I can' t think right now, I have the dumb. I' ll probably find another flaw after someone corrects me and I' ll rewrite my post as it should be written. Hehe, you and I need to work on our sarcasm, and I agree with you. Let's settle our differences. And don't worry, I see your humor--I have the same, I just know when to catch it. But thats O.K.--I have to remember not everyone is english on here as well. I apologize. Oh, and thats Omali as well--the king of the rants forum. : Have a good rest, then. Hoping to get a new Signature (with matching avatar) soon. :D In the meantime...Steam username: )I'll rewrite it later (add me if you want) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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