January 11, 200917 yr Can anyone take me under their wing? I got 10mil and have been merchanting for about 2 weeks, made a little over 700k. I must be doing something wrong. Any help in game or a pm would be appreciated. Wc'ing my way to 99 (Wish me luck)
January 11, 200917 yr I think that merchanting, clan and solo, should be made a bannable offense. The fact that it is possible, does not make it right. The fact that you can do it easily, does not make it right. The fact that people could research items before buying them, does not make it right or justifiable. Merchanting is about screwing people out of money for your own gain. This should not be an accepted thing to do. -1 :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: I just made 750k in 4 hours... What i did was go on rs fix my ge and log off.. go play tennis..ace some narbs...come home...do math hw.... sleep....log in and sell stuff and apparently i have 750k more than i did. :uhh: 2nd troll to 840+ post count.
January 11, 200917 yr I think that merchanting, clan and solo, should be made a bannable offense. The fact that it is possible, does not make it right. The fact that you can do it easily, does not make it right. The fact that people could research items before buying them, does not make it right or justifiable. Merchanting is about screwing people out of money for your own gain. This should not be an accepted thing to do. -1 :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: I just made 750k in 4 hours... What i did was go on rs fix my ge and log off.. go play tennis..ace some narbs...come home...do math hw.... sleep....log in and sell stuff and apparently i have 750k more than i did. :uhh: you do alot in 4 hours :roll:
January 11, 200917 yr Author I think that merchanting, clan and solo, should be made a bannable offense. The fact that it is possible, does not make it right. The fact that you can do it easily, does not make it right. The fact that people could research items before buying them, does not make it right or justifiable. Merchanting is about screwing people out of money for your own gain. This should not be an accepted thing to do. -1 :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: I just made 750k in 4 hours... What i did was go on rs fix my ge and log off.. go play tennis..ace some narbs...come home...do math hw.... sleep....log in and sell stuff and apparently i have 750k more than i did. :uhh: you do alot in 4 hours :roll: maybe he meant overnight
January 11, 200917 yr Clan Merchanting: NOT GOOD. Solo Merchantind: VERY GOOD. It takes skills, brains and brawn to make profit and if people can do it by themselves, hats off to them.
January 11, 200917 yr But its the smart thing to do. Imagine if you could take 10 dollars and nobody would ever find out it was you, I would bet that 99% of all people here would take that 10 dollers. Now with GE merchanting its sort of the same principle were nobody can ever really ban you for it because they can't actually see what your buying and you end up making money anyway. You can not justify something by saying, "everyone one else would do it" or "no one will ever know." Grand Exchange merchanting is the best way to make money without doing anything, no doubt about it. I, along with my clan and other clans manipulate the prices of items for our own profit. Who the hell cares? We're using a method that Jagex introduced into the game, it's good and easy money. People complaining are the ones that can't do it. Money should take effort to get. And I highly doubt Jagex intended to add the ability to manipulate the prices so easily with the grand exchange, I would think it'd be more the challenge of how can they stop artificial price changes without stopping natural price changes. Price manipulating does not seem to go with the "spirit of the game". How, exactly? The point of old merchanting was about supplying items to people who needed them, albeit at a premium. Much like the difference between wholesale and retail, it was a matter of convenience. The new style is just buying and selling items depending on the price they go for, you aren't screwing them out of any money. It's just the going rate, after all. For solo, anyways. Clan is a bit different. The point of old merchanting was about making lots of money for yourself, supplying items to people just happened to be how you did it. The wholesale and retail comparison only works for one type of pre-grand exchange merchanting, the one where you say buy rune hatchets from a rune smith and then sell to other people, which was by large the least profitable type of merchanting I would think. Even if you are just buying at the lowest and reselling at the highest, you are still screwing people out of money. You are screwing the people that actually need/want that item out of the possible of paying less for what they need.
January 11, 200917 yr Grand Exchange merchanting is the best way to make money without doing anything, no doubt about it. I, along with my clan and other clans manipulate the prices of items for our own profit. Who the hell cares? We're using a method that Jagex introduced into the game, it's good and easy money. People complaining are the ones that can't do it. Money should take effort to get. And I highly doubt Jagex intended to add the ability to manipulate the prices so easily with the grand exchange, I would think it'd be more the challenge of how can they stop artificial price changes without stopping natural price changes. Price manipulating does not seem to go with the "spirit of the game". It takes a lot more effort to think things through, find the best investment opportunities, pick the right time to sell off investments, find more and repeat, than it does to find one method of skilling or killing for cash and mindlessly doing that over and over again. According to your standards, people IRL that work in skilled jobs (like people working for Jagex, funnily enough) should make a lot less money than people that just stack shelves at their local supermarket, because they aren't "working for it" and it's not as much "effort". Excuse everyone else for using the brains they have... And really, stop trying to make all merchanting, including investing, out to be the same as price manipulation, it just makes you look clueless. How, exactly? The point of old merchanting was about supplying items to people who needed them, albeit at a premium. Much like the difference between wholesale and retail, it was a matter of convenience. The new style is just buying and selling items depending on the price they go for, you aren't screwing them out of any money. It's just the going rate, after all. For solo, anyways. Clan is a bit different. The point of old merchanting was about making lots of money for yourself, supplying items to people just happened to be how you did it. The wholesale and retail comparison only works for one type of pre-grand exchange merchanting, the one where you say buy rune hatchets from a rune smith and then sell to other people, which was by large the least profitable type of merchanting I would think. Even if you are just buying at the lowest and reselling at the highest, you are still screwing people out of money. You are screwing the people that actually need/want that item out of the possible of paying less for what they need. Really? So you force them to buy the items at your price? After all, they can just spend the time to get the items at other prices, it's not like you just have people who are magically incapable of buying except from you. Hail to The Great Big Penguin in the sky. And Guthix, of course.
January 11, 200917 yr Author But its the smart thing to do. Imagine if you could take 10 dollars and nobody would ever find out it was you, I would bet that 99% of all people here would take that 10 dollers. Now with GE merchanting its sort of the same principle were nobody can ever really ban you for it because they can't actually see what your buying and you end up making money anyway. You can not justify something by saying, "everyone one else would do it" or "no one will ever know." Grand Exchange merchanting is the best way to make money without doing anything, no doubt about it. I, along with my clan and other clans manipulate the prices of items for our own profit. Who the hell cares? We're using a method that Jagex introduced into the game, it's good and easy money. People complaining are the ones that can't do it. Money should take effort to get. And I highly doubt Jagex intended to add the ability to manipulate the prices so easily with the grand exchange, I would think it'd be more the challenge of how can they stop artificial price changes without stopping natural price changes. Price manipulating does not seem to go with the "spirit of the game". How, exactly? The point of old merchanting was about supplying items to people who needed them, albeit at a premium. Much like the difference between wholesale and retail, it was a matter of convenience. The new style is just buying and selling items depending on the price they go for, you aren't screwing them out of any money. It's just the going rate, after all. For solo, anyways. Clan is a bit different. The point of old merchanting was about making lots of money for yourself, supplying items to people just happened to be how you did it. The wholesale and retail comparison only works for one type of pre-grand exchange merchanting, the one where you say buy rune hatchets from a rune smith and then sell to other people, which was by large the least profitable type of merchanting I would think. Even if you are just buying at the lowest and reselling at the highest, you are still screwing people out of money. You are screwing the people that actually need/want that item out of the possible of paying less for what they need. green who cares if we crew them off of 15k :roll:
January 11, 200917 yr Grand Exchange merchanting is the best way to make money without doing anything, no doubt about it. I, along with my clan and other clans manipulate the prices of items for our own profit. Who the hell cares? We're using a method that Jagex introduced into the game, it's good and easy money. People complaining are the ones that can't do it. Money should take effort to get. And I highly doubt Jagex intended to add the ability to manipulate the prices so easily with the grand exchange, I would think it'd be more the challenge of how can they stop artificial price changes without stopping natural price changes. Price manipulating does not seem to go with the "spirit of the game". It takes a lot more effort to think things through, find the best investment opportunities, pick the right time to sell off investments, find more and repeat, than it does to find one method of skilling or killing for cash and mindlessly doing that over and over again. According to your standards, people IRL that work in skilled jobs (like people working for Jagex, funnily enough) should make a lot less money than people that just stack shelves at their local supermarket, because they aren't "working for it" and it's not as much "effort". Excuse everyone else for using the brains they have... And really, stop trying to make all merchanting, including investing, out to be the same as price manipulation, it just makes you look clueless. Manipulating the prices of an item requires the same going through as investing in items, it's just on a much larger scale. The people that suggest the items to buy out as a whole clan MUST go through the graphs, study when and where they did go up and at what exact price is right to buy them out. It's not easy, and setting the item for 100's of people that rely on you for there own profit is not easy. Often spending days to find the right item that can bring in max profit and cause the least hassle when thousands/hundreds of thousands or even millions of them are getting dumped at one time. Making money, in your eyes greenmelf should be just as hard as soloing the Corporeal beast (sp?). That's how you're coming across, anyway. There have always been merchants, no one ever had a problem. The bring in the Grand Exchange and destroy alot of profit and items that were easily used to make money off and forced us to use the GE. Then, studying how it works brings us to where we are now. A great way to profit that requires little to no attention when it comes to buying it. It's not easy, and when it comes to setting an item everything you worked for can go just there. If an item goes bad, chances are you'll lose all your members. They wouldn't risk losing money again. And, also, getting 100's of people into one channel to do the same thing as one another is not easy. And getting 800+ like we had before I quit my previous channel, again, was not easy. Required months of work, literally. You may prefer skilling and monster hunting for your money but those two things I just do not enjoy. Only thing I enjoy on RuneScape is watching my cash pile grow, and how I do that is buy merchanting and manipulating. Different stokes for different folks. RIP Michaelangelopolous
January 11, 200917 yr Grand Exchange merchanting is the best way to make money without doing anything, no doubt about it. I, along with my clan and other clans manipulate the prices of items for our own profit. Who the hell cares? We're using a method that Jagex introduced into the game, it's good and easy money. People complaining are the ones that can't do it. Money should take effort to get. And I highly doubt Jagex intended to add the ability to manipulate the prices so easily with the grand exchange, I would think it'd be more the challenge of how can they stop artificial price changes without stopping natural price changes. Price manipulating does not seem to go with the "spirit of the game". It takes a lot more effort to think things through, find the best investment opportunities, pick the right time to sell off investments, find more and repeat, than it does to find one method of skilling or killing for cash and mindlessly doing that over and over again. According to your standards, people IRL that work in skilled jobs (like people working for Jagex, funnily enough) should make a lot less money than people that just stack shelves at their local supermarket, because they aren't "working for it" and it's not as much "effort". Excuse everyone else for using the brains they have... And really, stop trying to make all merchanting, including investing, out to be the same as price manipulation, it just makes you look clueless. Context! He was talking about price manipulation and he was sounding it takes very little effort. I was responding to him sounding like it takes little effort. I do not think all merchanting is price manilpulation. I do not think all merchanting takes little effort and/or time. I do not think skilled jobs deserve less money. I do not think making money should as hard as soloing the Corporeal beast. [hide=Quotes] How, exactly? The point of old merchanting was about supplying items to people who needed them, albeit at a premium. Much like the difference between wholesale and retail, it was a matter of convenience. The new style is just buying and selling items depending on the price they go for, you aren't screwing them out of any money. It's just the going rate, after all. For solo, anyways. Clan is a bit different. The point of old merchanting was about making lots of money for yourself, supplying items to people just happened to be how you did it. The wholesale and retail comparison only works for one type of pre-grand exchange merchanting, the one where you say buy rune hatchets from a rune smith and then sell to other people, which was by large the least profitable type of merchanting I would think. Even if you are just buying at the lowest and reselling at the highest, you are still screwing people out of money. You are screwing the people that actually need/want that item out of the possible of paying less for what they need. Really? So you force them to buy the items at your price? After all, they can just spend the time to get the items at other prices, it's not like you just have people who are magically incapable of buying except from you.[/hide] My point is just that it does negatively effect the buyer, whether it be 'having' to buy for more or waiting (longer) to get cheaper. I was not trying to say anything about if the negative effect is enough to be bad or if it is justifiable, or anything else about it. I was just trying to say it exists. (which was probably unnecessary)
January 11, 200917 yr Author Grand Exchange merchanting is the best way to make money without doing anything, no doubt about it. I, along with my clan and other clans manipulate the prices of items for our own profit. Who the hell cares? We're using a method that Jagex introduced into the game, it's good and easy money. People complaining are the ones that can't do it. Money should take effort to get. And I highly doubt Jagex intended to add the ability to manipulate the prices so easily with the grand exchange, I would think it'd be more the challenge of how can they stop artificial price changes without stopping natural price changes. Price manipulating does not seem to go with the "spirit of the game". It takes a lot more effort to think things through, find the best investment opportunities, pick the right time to sell off investments, find more and repeat, than it does to find one method of skilling or killing for cash and mindlessly doing that over and over again. According to your standards, people IRL that work in skilled jobs (like people working for Jagex, funnily enough) should make a lot less money than people that just stack shelves at their local supermarket, because they aren't "working for it" and it's not as much "effort". Excuse everyone else for using the brains they have... And really, stop trying to make all merchanting, including investing, out to be the same as price manipulation, it just makes you look clueless. Context! He was talking about price manipulation and he was sounding it takes very little effort. I was responding to him sounding like it takes little effort. I do not think all merchanting is price manilpulation. I do not think all merchanting takes little effort and/or time. I do not think skilled jobs deserve less money. I do not think making money should as hard as soloing the Corporeal beast. [hide=Quotes] How, exactly? The point of old merchanting was about supplying items to people who needed them, albeit at a premium. Much like the difference between wholesale and retail, it was a matter of convenience. The new style is just buying and selling items depending on the price they go for, you aren't screwing them out of any money. It's just the going rate, after all. For solo, anyways. Clan is a bit different. The point of old merchanting was about making lots of money for yourself, supplying items to people just happened to be how you did it. The wholesale and retail comparison only works for one type of pre-grand exchange merchanting, the one where you say buy rune hatchets from a rune smith and then sell to other people, which was by large the least profitable type of merchanting I would think. Even if you are just buying at the lowest and reselling at the highest, you are still screwing people out of money. You are screwing the people that actually need/want that item out of the possible of paying less for what they need. Really? So you force them to buy the items at your price? After all, they can just spend the time to get the items at other prices, it's not like you just have people who are magically incapable of buying except from you.[/hide] My point is just that it does negatively effect the buyer, whether it be 'having' to buy for more or waiting (longer) to get cheaper. I was not trying to say anything about if the negative effect is enough to be bad or if it is justifiable, or anything else about it. I was just trying to say it exists. (which was probably unnecessary) wrong green, grand exchange merchenting is exponential so logically the more money you make, the more money you will make after that
January 11, 200917 yr wrong green, grand exchange merchenting is exponential so logically the more money you make, the more money you will make after that I know that, but what does it have to do with anything I said?
January 11, 200917 yr Author wrong green, grand exchange merchenting is exponential so logically the more money you make, the more money you will make after that I know that, but what does it have to do with anything I said? you said something about waiting longer and negative effect for buyer. buyer looses 15k so what. and waiting longer isn't a problem because you will in the end make more money if ur pro at it
January 11, 200917 yr i used to merch with pure ess. made 2mil+/week in F2P just by loggin in for 2 minutes everyday. but i stopped after they chnaged how the GE works with all the item restrictions.. i think Ge merchanting is the best wya to make money but you need well over 100mil to start making a good profit.
January 11, 200917 yr Buyer beware, and besided they don't have to use the grand exchange to get everything its just that they're looking to get an item fast and so they go over to the grand exchange and buy X item at max price to hurry things along. If there wasn't merchanting I would bet that the whole economy would slump because it creates no competition for raw materials or useful items.
January 11, 200917 yr Grand Exchange merchanting is the best way to make money without doing anything, no doubt about it. I, along with my clan and other clans manipulate the prices of items for our own profit. Who the hell cares? We're using a method that Jagex introduced into the game, it's good and easy money. People complaining are the ones that can't do it. Money should take effort to get. And I highly doubt Jagex intended to add the ability to manipulate the prices so easily with the grand exchange, I would think it'd be more the challenge of how can they stop artificial price changes without stopping natural price changes. Price manipulating does not seem to go with the "spirit of the game". It takes a lot more effort to think things through, find the best investment opportunities, pick the right time to sell off investments, find more and repeat, than it does to find one method of skilling or killing for cash and mindlessly doing that over and over again. According to your standards, people IRL that work in skilled jobs (like people working for Jagex, funnily enough) should make a lot less money than people that just stack shelves at their local supermarket, because they aren't "working for it" and it's not as much "effort". Excuse everyone else for using the brains they have... And really, stop trying to make all merchanting, including investing, out to be the same as price manipulation, it just makes you look clueless. Context! He was talking about price manipulation and he was sounding it takes very little effort. I was responding to him sounding like it takes little effort. I do not think all merchanting is price manilpulation. I do not think all merchanting takes little effort and/or time. I do not think skilled jobs deserve less money. I do not think making money should as hard as soloing the Corporeal beast. Ah, good. So, are we to take it this post was just some kind of joke then? I think that merchanting, clan and solo, should be made a bannable offense. The fact that it is possible, does not make it right. The fact that you can do it easily, does not make it right. The fact that people could research items before buying them, does not make it right or justifiable. Merchanting is about screwing people out of money for your own gain. This should not be an accepted thing to do. [hide=Quotes] How, exactly? The point of old merchanting was about supplying items to people who needed them, albeit at a premium. Much like the difference between wholesale and retail, it was a matter of convenience. The new style is just buying and selling items depending on the price they go for, you aren't screwing them out of any money. It's just the going rate, after all. For solo, anyways. Clan is a bit different. The point of old merchanting was about making lots of money for yourself, supplying items to people just happened to be how you did it. The wholesale and retail comparison only works for one type of pre-grand exchange merchanting, the one where you say buy rune hatchets from a rune smith and then sell to other people, which was by large the least profitable type of merchanting I would think. Even if you are just buying at the lowest and reselling at the highest, you are still screwing people out of money. You are screwing the people that actually need/want that item out of the possible of paying less for what they need. Really? So you force them to buy the items at your price? After all, they can just spend the time to get the items at other prices, it's not like you just have people who are magically incapable of buying except from you.[/hide] My point is just that it does negatively effect the buyer, whether it be 'having' to buy for more or waiting (longer) to get cheaper. I was not trying to say anything about if the negative effect is enough to be bad or if it is justifiable, or anything else about it. I was just trying to say it exists. (which was probably unnecessary) Actually, in the cases without price manipulation, it has no effect on the buyer whatsoever. After all, it's just the G.E price, it doesn't make a difference to them whether you bought it 3 days before for much less, they would get the same price from everyone. In the cases with price manipulation, there's nothing to stop the buyer from jumping aboard as well: buying, selling for a bit more soon after, waiting for crash then picking up several of whatever they are buying dirt cheap, with a bit of profit, however many for themselves, and a few spares to be sold off when the price goes back up. Perhaps some negative effect, but in general a positive outcome. Hardly worth banning anyone who takes part in any form of merchanting, eh? Hail to The Great Big Penguin in the sky. And Guthix, of course.
January 11, 200917 yr Totally depends what type of mercher. If its a group/clan who totally buy out certain items then its not only against the rules but imo immoral. Now a single person who just buys items for low and sells high is perfectly fine. How is it against the rules? Also, what's the difference between a single person merching and a clan merching? Wouldn't an average clan merching just be the same as a single rich person merching?
January 11, 200917 yr Totally depends what type of mercher. If its a group/clan who totally buy out certain items then its not only against the rules but imo immoral. Now a single person who just buys items for low and sells high is perfectly fine. How is it against the rules? Also, what's the difference between a single person merching and a clan merching? Wouldn't an average clan merching just be the same as a single rich person merching? Don't think it's technically against the rules, but there is a big difference: the limits on traded items. Each player can only trade so many of a certain item within a given time period. With a clan, that's a lot more. Hail to The Great Big Penguin in the sky. And Guthix, of course.
January 12, 200917 yr Author Buyer beware, and besided they don't have to use the grand exchange to get everything its just that they're looking to get an item fast and so they go over to the grand exchange and buy X item at max price to hurry things along. If there wasn't merchanting I would bet that the whole economy would slump because it creates no competition for raw materials or useful items. it'd be faster if we buy items on w2 in mass and sell on ge ;)
January 12, 200917 yr Is it fun to stand in GE for hours to get about 2-3M profit? Lol? it takes like 5 minutes. Then you can go off and skill or pk or something. O.O
January 12, 200917 yr Author [hide=I win] [/hide] I can average 1.5-4m a day with solo merchanting... [hide=A C I D Y's clan fails] [/hide] ^^^Bought off ge at about 99k ea, used the junk from skilling to sell at around 114-115k ea. A C I D Y's generals predicted it to go up to 175k ea... Crashed around 120k? #-o In my opinion, clan merchanting FAILS. (Only if you have 100m+ players who listen to dump times.) There are too many early dumpers causing you to lose money on the investment. Clans that feature early-dumpers: Dejan619 Cmrobins A C I D Y Chessy018 Amplive Gee Pee Up I have clan merchanted four times. Uncut dragonstones, made 4m off of those Rune crossbows- made 3mish or so off those Runite bolts- made 2m off those Mystic Mud staves- made 2.5m off those Each time, I dumped like 3 hours before the actual clan dumped :-w If I waited for the dump time (dstones were to be dumped at 70k, I dumped at 59.5k), I would have lost money because the clan ended up dumping at min that same update I sold for max. So here is a tip for you clan merchanters, DUMP EARLY... I might get flames for saying that but that's the best way to protect your yellow pennies from those greedy clan leaders. P.S. when you dump with the clan, you will have to keep putting it every g.e update at minimum price to see if it will sell; sometimes it will not even sell (Like the people who are stuck with dragon darts). no i win :thumbsup:
January 12, 200917 yr [hide=]wow i use hide tags and it doesn't even work :wall: :roll: #-o =D> :evil: =D> =D> .... "quote saif's previous post"[/hide] My pic was all in one day, 1.6m was that huge merchanting log in one or 2 days? :anxious: 2nd troll to 840+ post count.
January 12, 200917 yr well I recently got a response like this: I dump my items on acidy cuz I pro People like you make me sick. Its because of people like you, who hoard/dump items, that the RS economy is in such a messed-up state. :thumbdown: this was jsut to me solo merchenting dharok's platelegs. some people classify grand exchange merchenting as price manipulation and not a good way to earn money. Clan merchenting is also out there I beg to differ, grand exchange merchenting is literally the BEST way to make money nowadays. anyways post your thoughts on it. i agree, ge price minipluation is really the best way to make money. I go along side with ACIDY and merchent aswell. It is great what happens. If our entire team does one thing. Lets say buys out guth spear, EVERYONE else will start buying no matter what. Then once it goes down EVERYONE starts selling. No one thinks and says to themselves "hmmm they are going to buy these out again once they hit rock bottom so why dont i just keep mine and use it for a while" Everyone just panics. So its the stupidty of runescape that causes the market to go up and down because of us :thumbup:
January 12, 200917 yr you only do one item set bronze? yeah, i'm pretty sure dharoks works too. 2nd troll to 840+ post count.
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