It is very rare that a clan war goes without a hitch. In the cwa world, sometimes a clan has someone outside of bounds, or not on their memberlist. In pvp, accusations of teleing, crashing, and welfaring fly rampant amongst win topics.

 

 

 

At this point, the mantra "no pic no proof" is shouted time and time again. My question is: How reliable are pictures, anyway?

 

 

 

A) Picture faking in-game. This becomes an issue quite often with screenshots of welfare gear in pvp. It is incredibly easy to get a click on someone from the opposing clan, and then move the camera around so it appears you have clicked on someone else.

 

Have you seen this happen often, or at all?

 

 

 

B) Image editing. Sometimes it is done well, sometimes not at all. Sometimes, in fact, the images posted backfire on the posters themselves.

 

Example: (I won't say what clan this is)

 

 

 

 

As you can clearly see, one clan took a picture of another clan hiding in a safe area. However, you can clearly see the bad editing job where tele runes can be seen.(Look at bottom 3 pizzas on the right).

 

 

 

Does this happen at all to you? Where a picture is blatantly edited to show your clan in a bad light? Discuss.

By bottom left, you must mean bottom right?

By bottom left, you must mean bottom right?

 

 

 

Sorry, I'll edit that. :oops:

I have never seen this used with WG mostly because most clans don't care enough and we have more pictures.

Our clan has had the fortune not to fight someone so underhanded and win-desperate.

 

 

 

It's despicable.

 

 

 

Some fansite forums, tipit included, there are areas to deal with this. However, in most cases it's just a back-and-fourth between powerhouse officials which really doesn't get anything done. I cannot say if Tip.it is like this, because I personally don't have access to the Conclave.

 

 

 

TBH I can go onto a private server and recreate any circumstance if I was really that pathetic. Wouldn't have to worry about a botched edit job, either, if I knew what I was doing.

Our clan has had the fortune not to fight someone so underhanded and win-desperate.

 

 

 

It's despicable.

 

 

 

Some fansite forums, tipit included, there are areas to deal with this. However, in most cases it's just a back-and-fourth between powerhouse officials which really doesn't get anything done. I cannot say if Tip.it is like this, because I personally don't have access to the Conclave.

 

 

 

TBH I can go onto a private server and recreate any circumstance if I was really that pathetic. Wouldn't have to worry about a botched edit job, either, if I knew what I was doing.

 

 

 

Likewise, however, there are certain things that do make it possible to tell you took a picture of a private server.

Personally I find it hard to actually take pics that prove anything. For example at our fight with Tt on saturday there was a vr member hiding in our pile sniping our hybrids with our team cape, but they were doing a great job at hiding so the 3 different pictures I took really prove nothing, so I haven't bothered sending it to officials (not that VR officials would care lol, their clan was busy crashing planned pkris at the time I took it anyway :wall: )

 

 

 

I definitely think it's important to take pics. Other clans have sent them to us and we've punished members we wouldn't otherwise know were breaking rules, but without pics we can't always trust other clans to tell the truth.

I honestly think pictures do constitute proof, fakes can often be caught. Better yet, most fights are recorded these days so hopefully they'll see the crashing and I wouldn't deny a video.

I honestly think pictures do constitute proof, fakes can often be caught. Better yet, most fights are recorded these days so hopefully they'll see the crashing and I wouldn't deny a video.

 

 

 

That's true. Videos are much better proof.

I honestly think pictures do constitute proof, fakes can often be caught. Better yet, most fights are recorded these days so hopefully they'll see the crashing and I wouldn't deny a video.

 

 

 

That's true. Videos are much better proof.

 

 

 

It's really hard to record though unless you're in PvP. And even then, whoever's recorded can still die.

 

 

 

I guess this might not be an issue in bigger clans, but in smaller clans, it really makes it difficult to video.

I honestly think pictures do constitute proof, fakes can often be caught. Better yet, most fights are recorded these days so hopefully they'll see the crashing and I wouldn't deny a video.

 

 

 

That's true. Videos are much better proof.

 

 

 

It's really hard to record though unless you're in PvP. And even then, whoever's recorded can still die.

 

 

 

I guess this might not be an issue in bigger clans, but in smaller clans, it really makes it difficult to video.

 

 

 

Well you can always have multiple people recording. Considering it only takes 2 minutes to return to a fight, I doubt that both vidders would be killed in that time.

I honestly think pictures do constitute proof, fakes can often be caught. Better yet, most fights are recorded these days so hopefully they'll see the crashing and I wouldn't deny a video.

 

 

 

That's true. Videos are much better proof.

 

 

 

It's really hard to record though unless you're in PvP. And even then, whoever's recorded can still die.

 

 

 

I guess this might not be an issue in bigger clans, but in smaller clans, it really makes it difficult to video.

 

 

 

Well you can always have multiple people recording. Considering it only takes 2 minutes to return to a fight, I doubt that both vidders would be killed in that time.

 

For large fights, it's not exactly as if you're going to host the whole 2+ hours of recording, anyway. I'd just clip down to highlights and good sections of gameplay as otherwise, the video will be too long or sped up dramatically.

This actually happened once with MD, I'm not sure if what the other clan did was lie or not, but I remember we had a war, however we lost it big time due to the size difference (we pulled 5, they pulled 13). In the end, we had one high leveled person just join the clan, however they couldn't join the war because they war on Runehead. Then one of our members seen a person in their pile who was not on Runehead. We told them that. They said he was not there, and that "no pic, no proof". Then, because we didn't have any pics ourselves, used one of their pics where he is talking in their cc. They then retorted that he was completing a quest, and that he wasn't intending to join the war.

 

 

 

A week has passed, and we couldn't find any more evidence. Then, I looked on their forums, and I've seen the vid was up. I checked it out to see how well I did (I heard I tanked badly, lol), and seen the actual player in the black cape who wasn't on Runehead. I alerted other officials, we brought it up, we won the war, case closed.

 

 

 

Just shows how hard pic proofs can be to show a clan was cheating (I'm not saying they cheated, but they might've).

Ah yes, I think I remember that occasion.

lol, now that is some pretty bad editing. We rarely spark bad relations with other clans, so I can't remember a time when another clan has tried to fake evidence.