Jump to content

best looking websites?

unknownmasterofnothing

By unknownmasterofnothing
in Art and Media

 Share

Recommended Posts

Greatsilverwyrm

Greatsilverwyrm

Posted
Posted

Blaaaagh. I HATE flash sites, with an undying passion. They're just so counterintuitive to web-browsing, and, in my opinion, are a lazy way out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The really nice sites are the ones that don't have to use flash, maybe some javascript, but mostly just well coded good old html and php.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.artofadambetts.com/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's probably my favorite site of all time. It's clean, it's cool, but it's also fast and flat, not flash.

IRKAa.jpg
Link to comment
Share on other sites
venomai

venomai

Posted
Posted
Blaaaagh. I HATE flash sites, with an undying passion. They're just so counterintuitive to web-browsing, and, in my opinion, are a lazy way out.

 

 

 

Lazy way out? You'd need to not only learn a completely new coding language, but have to spend days making the actual animations and interactivity for the site. THEN you'd have to do the HTML, css, java, etc. coding to complete the site.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But yea, once the animation intro is done, I don't really enjoy browsing flash sites. If 2Advanced just had a flash intro, and then proceeded to a simple HTML/PHP/etc. page, it would be perfect. Right now it feels like I'm looking at a single image, with text all over it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One of my favourites (well, second now that I've seen 2advanced :P) is http://conceptart.org

 

 

 

Clean and to the point. :)

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Mercifull

Mercifull

Posted
Posted

I used to like flash sites. Then i realised they were a pain in the [wagon]. Flash isnt exactly har dot use either and its not really impressive anymore to have an entirely flash site. While 2advanced is good its very hard to browse. Like Wyrm I much prefer properly coded sites that can do just as much as pure flash ones. That takes real skill not like flash with a few database calls and motion tweens. Why would you need java and css for a flash based site? :roll:

 

 

 

Flash sites also do not comply to accessability standards as the browser does not read the text only the movie. It also won't validate to the lastext XHTML.

612d9da508.png

Mercifull.png

Mercifull <3 Suzi

"We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape" Jagex 01/04/01 - 02/03/12

Link to comment
Share on other sites
____

____

Posted
Posted

When it comes to design as per the topic, flash will lose instantly.

 

 

 

All the website is is a basic HTML document with an embeded object.

 

 

 

Zero demonstration of real www design skills what-so-ever.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@Keiphus:

 

 

 

- 2advance violates 3 of the Grice Maxims. And PARC principles are very loosly followed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@GSW:

 

 

 

That's a good site. If anyone wants an example of real web design skills, this is a site to look at.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@venomai: thing is that actionscript isn't a web programming language. It's a multimedia authoring language and a rather easy one at that to pick up.

 

 

 

As for the HTML, css, java, etc for a flash site -> BS. It's one HTML document with the embed and that's it. www design stops there and multimedia kicks in.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Personally people who create flash "websites" would be better suited to advertising or the entertainment industry, not web design.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

---

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Firstly, Flash should be, at most, used for banners and subtle effects. The bulk of any website should be a markup language which validates to a w3c standard.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I personally don't like to judge most sites since I really only care about content and not how great it looks. Given that I really have to still stand with Google and Bash.org being two of the best designed sites I have come across.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And with the site Wyrm put up, I've got my top 3.

 

 

 

Chances are there are others that I'm forgetting but meah.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Keiphus

Keiphus

Posted
Posted

Wyrm, that site you posted doesn't work at all in IE. And although I know how much you hate IE, a large majority of the internet browsing crew still use it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Frankly, I could give a [cabbage] how easy XHTML is to learn vs. AS, or CSS or anything else. The name of the topic is best designed sites. PixelRanger is one of the best designs I have seen, and I just love looking at it. That's good webdesign. Because in theory, who cares if it's web, multimedia, print advertising...? We are talking about design here, and the use of Flash or not should have no bearing on the judgement of the design.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And not to be controversial, but from what I DID see of that site Wyrm posted, it looked very 1998.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
venomai

venomai

Posted
Posted
When it comes to design as per the topic, flash will lose instantly.

 

 

 

All the website is is a basic HTML document with an embeded object.

 

 

 

Zero demonstration of real www design skills what-so-ever.

 

 

 

Design skills? Many of these basic HTML sites lack a nice design, but are coded wonderfully. I don't see how those sites could be a good demonstration of design skills, even if they are written and coded with extreme talent...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

thing is that actionscript isn't a web programming language. It's a multimedia authoring language.

 

 

 

True, but nowadays it's being used to create full websites, and the results can often be a lot more visually stunning than any HTML/CSS/Javascript site.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's a multimedia authoring language and a rather easy one at that to pick up.

 

 

 

Don't forget that a flash design consists of a lot more than just AS (which is still extremely difficult, a lot harder to follow than HTML or even CSS). Not only is a good amount of graphic skills also needed for good flash websites, but to achieve results like that you need to be a great animator, both in the 2D and 3D fields.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And he put in more html/css/js effort than you'd expect. He's got plenty of popups, that open in non-flash windows, which he had to manually design, slice, and code by hand.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
ColAvanor

ColAvanor

Posted
Posted

I'm a bit dissapointed in you Keiphus :wink: . I thought you'd be against all those eye-candy flash sites. My policy with flash sites is pretty simple. If there is an intro...that's all I'm going to see before closing the window.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
____

____

Posted
Posted
/snip/

 

 

 

There's more to design than graphics.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And AS is not harder than HTML / CSS/ Javascript to learn.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I picked it up in less than a day. Another month later I was making games in it.

 

 

 

Another month and I probably could've bee capable of creating decent flash "websites" which would take a lot more time and skill to make using raw web languages.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And you need good graphic skills for HTML websites aswell you know. Most flash "websites" are bloat features which do nothing than increase "wow factor".

 

 

 

That's the only thing which makes them "harder" to create.

 

 

 

Strip out all the bloat features and you got what? A background, a few buttons and some text.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And another thing, is you are required to load the entire flash movie whether or not you want to.

 

 

 

That itself is a very big design flaw.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Flash Movie != Website*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But whatever floats your boat I guess.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Where website is a collection of HTML pages.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Scorp

Scorp

Posted
Posted

 

/snip/

 

 

 

There's more to design than graphics.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And AS is not harder than HTML / CSS/ Javascript to learn.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I picked it up in less than a day. Another month later I was making games in it.

 

 

 

Another month and I probably could've bee capable of creating decent flash "websites" which would take a lot more time and skill to make using raw web languages.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And you need good graphic skills for HTML websites aswell you know. Most flash "websites" are bloat features which do nothing than increase "wow factor".

 

 

 

That's the only thing which makes them "harder" to create.

 

 

 

Strip out all the bloat features and you got what? A background, a few buttons and some text.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And another thing, is you are required to load the entire flash movie whether or not you want to.

 

 

 

That itself is a very big design flaw.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Flash Movie != Website*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But whatever floats your boat I guess.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Where website is a collection of HTML pages.

 

 

 

Thats true, flash sites are pretty much just to "wow" you, but some sites need to wow their customers or fans. Thats why you see movie sites, band sites, and some webdesign sites made in flash. On the other hand sites witha ton of content and stuff are better off with html/css.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~scorp

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Keiphus

Keiphus

Posted
Posted

Col - I do Multimedia Design and Visual Effects for a living - what did you expect? :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

darkrick - I think your interpretation of flash is a bit skewed, but I can see where you are coming from.

 

 

 

Personally I think AS can be considered a web language, more so now because of all the integration with other languages, and the increase in flash practicality on the web. But I think what this boils down to is an individual interpretation of design, and the reason you visit a website. Obviously, when I am browsing a freelance 3D artists site, I would like to see some eyepopping effects; that's what is going to land him a job. Then again, if I'm searching for reference pictures for an Air Command Tower to model in 3D, Google's design is perfect. To simply discard flash as not being a worthy design is very elitist and unfair. Flash isn't going anywhere, and I see it only getting more and more practical on the world wide web.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

// Oh, and you mentioned that you are forced to load an entire flash movie, even if you don't want to... I wouldn't have normally addressed this but since you say it's such a huge design flaw I had to. There are very simply ways (and most people effectively use them) to externally load movie clips so that only what is being viewed, or about to be viewed is loaded.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Hannibal

Hannibal

Posted
Posted

http://www.csszengarden.com/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>

 

 

 

/p>

 

 

 

"http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/REC-RNT-20050805/DTD/rnt01.dtd">

 

 

 

 

 

 

Keiphus: obviously, this doesn't fall under the category 'eyepopping' effects, but it certainly shows that an (X)HTML / CSS design can be gorgeous as well (note that it picks a random style when you first visit the site, you may not like that one. Pick another one from the list (can't tell you where that is, it changes place depending on the style ;) )

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, I suppose none of you ever considered the fact that blind / visibly impaired people have no use whatsoever for flash sites? Nor do people who are on a company network and don't have the permissions (Operating System-wise) to install the latest flash plugin into their browser. Nor do people who are on a platform for which there's no such thing as a flash plugin. Nor do people who prefer to use a screenreader, or a text-only browser. I could go on, but I guess I might better link to this FAQ, or this article, or this index.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sigh. Oh, and how many of your designs use pixels, points or centimeters, Keiphus? You do realise that these will mess up badly when people start resizing text? (Something all major browsers support, though not with Flash, of course...)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay, I'd better stop here, or I'd go insane. Either way, it's very possible to use standards and still get a decent design (as proved by the css zen garden). Use some javascript if you want to create interactivity or fancy effects, or consider using SVG or other open standards for visualising designs and 2d/3d images.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
unknownmasterofnothing

unknownmasterofnothing

Posted
  • Author
Posted

Heres some interesting Flash sites.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

interesting site where u don't click? lol

 

 

 

http://www.dontclick.it/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.thanea.com/ars/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.drawingart.org/

 

 

 

I like a few of the sites he made.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.newezra.com/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.rodrigofcampos.com.br/site.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

can't find any good css designs besides the cssgarden.

gr454rc.gif
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
 Share
Go to topic listing
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use.

  I accept