Do you feel bad for hobos? EDITED.

[s1reatalot]

Reasons:

 

 

 

1)Probably didn't try to get a degree in anything

 

2)A lot of them do drugs

 

3)From the money they get, they usually buy more drugs

 

 

This is such a sterotype view.

 

I've met some quite nice "hobos" in my life. DON'T HATE ME.

[Quoi_Tu]

There are homeless, panhandlers, and panhandling homeless. I will only help the homeless.

[pryomancer]

even though it was clearly all their faults. Reasons:

 

 

 

1)Probably didn't try to get a degree in anything

 

2)A lot of them do drugs

 

3)From the money they get, they usually buy more drugs

 

 

 

Yeah, you should probably do some research before you post crap like that.

[IGoddessI]

What about "hobos" with mental illnesses? They didn't decide to just wake up and go get one. For example, many schizophrenics resort to social isolation and choose to be homeless. For others that is the reason for substance abuse or financial problems. Although there is research somewhere that up to 50% of homeless people who live with Schizophrenia would like treatment if given the chance and right circumstances. However, only 50% of patients show improvement after treatment, so is it worth the hassle?

 

 

 

20% of those Diagnosed with Schizophrenia are Homeless

 

http://www.schizophrenia.com/sznews/arc ... 02575.html

 

 

 

Bipolar disorder came ranked in 2nd with 17% and then depression with 9%.

[The_Gabe]

even though it was clearly all their faults. Reasons:

 

 

 

1)Probably didn't try to get a degree in anything

 

2)A lot of them do drugs

 

3)From the money they get, they usually buy more drugs

 

 

 

Yeah, you should probably do some research before you post crap like that.

 

 

 

Well, most of them anyways, and it's usually a lot of their faults.

[Guest]

even though it was clearly all their faults. Reasons:

 

 

 

1)Probably didn't try to get a degree in anything

 

2)A lot of them do drugs

 

3)From the money they get, they usually buy more drugs

 

 

 

Yeah, you should probably do some research before you post crap like that.

 

 

 

Well, most of them anyways, and it's usually a lot of their faults.

 

 

 

Most homeless people hardly got a 'good' education. And I don't believe drugs is the main reason of that.

[IGoddessI]

Well, most of them anyways, and it's usually a lot of their faults.

 

 

 

With an answer like that it's my opinion that you haven't tried to get a degree in anything either. So should I hate you? Is it your fault that you're not well-informed? Should I form a conclusion that all people who don't post informative answers don't have degrees in anything and that it's their fault for not being informed?

 

 

 

1. People don't need degrees to make it big in this lifetime. Use the internet as a tool, the kids who created google in their backyard probably didn't have degrees in anything. I went to university and studied a few diplomas they increased skills but it didn't make me wealthy. I should probably mention I was practically living in the streets when I was 16, too. [edit] Not by choice btw, my loser boyfriend stole all of my money and got us evicted by not paying the rent with it.

 

 

 

2. A lot of incredibly intelligent people use drugs. Albert Einstein enjoyed a good puff of cigaweed. There's also scientific evidence that some psychoactive drugs can increase your IQ for short periods of time.

 

 

 

3. Some may but that's why I don't donate money. I take them to a place of their choice and buy them whatever they want to eat and drink.

[Zierro]

1. People don't need degrees to make it big in this lifetime. Use the internet as a tool, the kids who created google in their backyard probably didn't have degrees in anything. I went to university and studied a few diplomas they increased skills but it didn't make me wealthy.

 

 

 

2. A lot of incredibly intelligent people use drugs. Albert Einstein enjoyed a good puff of cigaweed. There's also scientific evidence that some psychoactive drugs can increase your IQ for short periods of time.

 

 

 

I agree with both those points. Now, I think that there are some people who are homeless because they didn't apply themselves, but that wouldn't make it the drugs and lack of education to blame. Plus I've heard from my Psychology teacher that a lot of homeless people do have mental disorders and that some are even released patients who have no family to take them in.

[warri0r45]

even though it was clearly all their faults. Reasons:

 

 

 

1)Probably didn't try to get a degree in anything

 

2)A lot of them do drugs

 

3)From the money they get, they usually buy more drugs

 

 

 

Yeah, you should probably do some research before you post crap like that.

 

 

 

Well, most of them anyways, and it's usually a lot of their faults.

 

 

 

I could pretty much quote pyro verbatim to make exactly the same point - you should probably do some research before you post crap like that. That isn't research.

 

 

 

This is research: http://www.nacd.ie/news/launch_event14042004.html

 

 

 

Key findings from the report include:

 

 

 

Whilst drug use is not the primary reason for people becoming homeless, it is a key reason for them remaining homeless. The primary reason for becoming homeless was family conflict;

 

Other reasons for remaining homelessness include access to housing, money problems, family conflict and continuing alcohol use;

 

The prevalence of drug use within the homeless population was high with lifetime (74%), recent (64%) and current rates (52%) substantially higher than those found in the general population (19%, 6% and 3% respectively);

 

Cannabis was the most commonly used illicit drug followed by heroin over each time period lifetime, last year (recent) and last month (current);

 

Alcohol remains the primary drug of choice among the homeless population (70%);

 

Over half (52%) of the homeless population surveyed are currently drug users;

 

36% of those surveyed were problematic drug users;

 

19% of the study population were currently injecting drugs, of these 1-in-2 injected in public spaces;

 

Those who reported current drug use on average used 3 different drugs;

 

1-in-4 of current homeless drug users in Dublin used 5 or more different drugs;

 

Almost two thirds of those who reported current use of cocaine (17% currently using cocaine powder) were injecting it;

 

30% of the study population have been diagnosed with a psychiatric illness;

 

55% of the study population had been in prison.

 

 

 

Note the first point - this study suggests the primary reason for becoming homeless is family conflict, not drug use. While drug use rises when people become homeless, it's a symptom of the problem rather than the problem itself. Etiology is important!

 

 

 

Also notice that nearly a third of homeless people in this study have been diagnosed with a psychiatric illness. Perhaps why some of them can't function in normal society and end up homeless?

[IGoddessI]

Good statistics Warrior, most people I know who have ended up homeless at one stage or another were from family conflict so that makes a lot of sense. There are also debatable grounds for why the homeless use drugs, for example to self medicate mental disorders, many suffer from anxiety, which makes sense for alcohol being the most consumed (minus points such as being cheaper, easier to access, availability of the substance), a coping mechanism for childhood or adulthood trauma etc

[The_Gabe]

I will be re-writing this whole topic tomorrow. So just hold on until I do.

[The_Gabe]

Edited it.

[warri0r45]

 

Whilst drug use is not the primary reason for people becoming homeless, it is a key reason for them remaining homeless. The primary reason for becoming homeless was family conflict;

 

Other reasons for remaining homelessness include access to housing, money problems, family conflict and continuing alcohol use;

 

The prevalence of drug use within the homeless population was high with lifetime (74%), recent (64%) and current rates (52%) substantially higher than those found in the general population (19%, 6% and 3% respectively);

 

Cannabis was the most commonly used illicit drug followed by heroin over each time period lifetime, last year (recent) and last month (current);

 

Alcohol remains the primary drug of choice among the homeless population (70%);

 

Over half (52%) of the homeless population surveyed are currently drug users;

 

36% of those surveyed were problematic drug users;

 

19% of the study population were currently injecting drugs, of these 1-in-2 injected in public spaces;

 

Those who reported current drug use on average used 3 different drugs;

 

1-in-4 of current homeless drug users in Dublin used 5 or more different drugs;

 

Almost two thirds of those who reported current use of cocaine (17% currently using cocaine powder) were injecting it;

 

30% of the study population have been diagnosed with a psychiatric illness;

 

55% of the study population had been in prison.

 

 

 

 

 

Now, I do understand it's not their fault usually they end up on the streets, but with money given to them, they usually just turn and buy more drugs.

 

 

 

 

 

Let's think why that could be. Could it be because they have serious drug addictions to feed (heroin/cocaine/meth users specifically)? It's not like they piss away charity money on drugs because they're rebellious college kids wanting to have fun. If given the chance I'm sure many of them would want to get help for their addictions and use money to buy food and pay for rent, etc.

[IGoddessI]

You didn't have to edit anything but at least you're being more open minded and learning something. This could be something you could teach someone else or even one of your friends or family members who used to think the same way you did at the beginning of this conversation.

 

 

 

In my opinion, they should have gotten a tutor, or someone to have helped them overcome some of this stuff.

 

 

 

What's the point in having a psychiatrist if everyone can diagnose their own mental problems? :lol: It can take over 7-10 years of study and up to a lifetime of first-hand experience to diagnose. Even people who have 20 years experience can misdiagnose and that's because the human brain is so much more complex than we know of. I know doctors who hand out wrong medication prescriptions for disorders! If only it was that easy for people to get help, to diagnose themselves, to adjust their chemical imbalances so they can recognize that something is wrong. This is almost cute that you think people have the ability to overcome something that the world's greatest researchers and specialists can't even get right. Oh to be young, the world was such a better place :P :lol:

[Kenshinjapan]

They're losers.

 

 

 

Waits patiently for the "oh no! You're so heartless they're people too! comment.

 

You kind of kill the joke when you have to explain it to everyone.

 

 

 

I know, but I get really sick of getting PMs because of "heartlessness". :x

 

Meh, fair 'nuf. Except, does that mean that you really mean what you said, or is it just a bad joke?

 

 

 

A little of both :P.

[yanksrule]

who are you too say that the homeless person would spend it all on drugs/alcohol? what about that percentage of hobos who are on the streets because of family issues? i find it shocking that you would go and say that some one who has a mental disorder NEEDS a tutor to keep them from going homeless. it's just beyond words how... arrogant (to be as non-insulting as possible) that sounds. please know that there ARE mentally disabled people who actually didn't end up homeless and can actually support themselves in some way. the way in which you mention it is just discriminating against an entire group of people. shocking. just shocking....

 

 

 

did you know that some people will purposely commit a crime to go to jail because they haven't got a home? don't believe me? look it up.

[The_Gabe]

who are you too say that the homeless person would spend it all on drugs/alcohol? what about that percentage of hobos who are on the streets because of family issues? i find it shocking that you would go and say that some one who has a mental disorder NEEDS a tutor to keep them from going homeless. it's just beyond words how... arrogant (to be as non-insulting as possible) that sounds. please know that there ARE mentally disabled people who actually didn't end up homeless and can actually support themselves in some way. the way in which you mention it is just discriminating against an entire group of people. shocking. just shocking....

 

 

 

did you know that some people will purposely commit a crime to go to jail because they haven't got a home? don't believe me? look it up.

 

 

 

Well those who did end up homeless should have thought back to it and have gotten some help.

[IGoddessI]

Well those who did end up homeless should have thought back to it and have gotten some help.

 

 

 

What kind of help is available to homeless people in those circumstances? You should know, since you said so.

[The_Gabe]

Well those who did end up homeless should have thought back to it and have gotten some help.

 

 

 

What kind of help is available to homeless people in those circumstances? You should know, since you said so.

 

 

 

What about OTHER family members?

[IGoddessI]

And what if you have no other family members?

[Guest]

And what if you have no other family members?

 

 

 

I don't know many people without any family (including grandparents, aunts and uncles ect), unless they left them behind overseas. People without a caring family, however, there are many more people. I suppose "no caring family" and "no family" are just about the same thing.

[IGoddessI]

Even some kids who do have family can't turn to their family. Some aunts, uncles or even grandparents are idiots, there's usually bound to be one in every family.

[Zygimantas]

I live in the Chicago suburbs, there are many hobos in the city. There are plenty of shelters in the city and the hobos make money by asking for change which they probably use for drugs. I do not feel bad for them.

[IGoddessI]

Pick the person who posts without reading.