A few of you might know I'm going to try for 99 summoning this year and for the most part that means camping at waterfiends or ice bursting rock lobs. The last few weeks however I found Waterfiends to be getting a little tedious and repetetive so I've been killing Cockroaches with Suzi.

 

 

 

I find that the roaches crimson drop rate isn't too bad, I get 100+ a day still, especially for such a low level monster. So, I have decided to stay here until I reach level 99 defence as I am able to use my whip on them. Once I have done so I plan on going back to Waterfiends and with 99 defence that means I don't necceserily have to fight using controlled.

 

 

 

This brings me to the question... Zamorakian spear or Saradomin Sword?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Both appear to have some pros and cons. Lets ignore the stab and slash attack bonuses because they are irrelevant:

 

 

 

ZS has 65 Crush bonus, SS only has 60 (-5)

 

However ZS strength bonus is 75, SS bonus is 82 (+7)

 

 

 

Which is more important, the crush or the strength bonus? Bear in mind I will be using the crush-strength exp method on the SS also.

 

 

 

ZS also has +13 ranged defence which the SS does not, however most of the time Protect from Ranged is on so this would not matter. This would only affect me when fighting with no prayer when eating raw food with a Bunyip.

 

 

 

Any ideas from high level Summoners or Slayers? Please don't post without experience.

Use the saradomin sword, accuracy is not as important and strength when fighting waterfiends, as long as you are using crush. The zamorakian spear has a useless special, but the saradomin sword's special is ok. Not only do you get +7 strength bonus, you can train on strength, which means an effective +3 bonus to your strength level instead of the +1 you would get from spear on controlled.

they both kill at about same speed, zammy spear better unless you want jsut str xp because +13 def

I've used both and prefer the SS.

 

 

 

However I use spear as I only need def XP and a little is better than none.

they both kill at about same speed, zammy spear better unless you want jsut str xp because +13 def

If you read the original post I explain that I will soon have maxed melee stats (99 def) so I'm not bothered about only str exp.

they both kill at about same speed, zammy spear better unless you want jsut str xp because +13 def

If you read the original post I explain that I will soon have maxed melee stats (99 def) so I'm not bothered about only str exp.

 

 

 

Sara Sword is better, but only very very marginally. Spear works well and is cheaper.

Which ever weapon you choose, keep the hell way from the brutal green dragons. There attack can get you from about half a screen away and hits 40's pretty constantly.

 

I found this out the hard way when a waterfiend went a bit too close to them (about 2 clicks), by the time I had picked up the drop I was already on 10hp from a 43 hit.

 

Just glad its an easy location to get to.

Just so you know, ranged defense is useless, Waterfiend's range attack uses your magic defense instead of ranged.

Here's my two cents.

 

 

 

At your level, you really don't need to worry too much about small bonuses here and there.

 

Personally i prefer the extra crush bonus, as there are plenty of other pieces of equipment to raise my strength bonus, but fewer to raise my crush.

 

 

 

I'm not amazing at slayer nor summoning but i've killed about 1000 of them so i have some experience.

 

 

 

Keep the hell way from the brutal green dragons

 

 

 

Seriously, don't worry about this. Just put on magic protect and run to waterfiends - it's stupid to kill them so near the brutal greens anyway.

 

 

 

Just so you know, ranged defense is useless, Waterfiend's range attack uses your magic defense instead of ranged.

 

 

 

Most people without a unicorn pray range anyway, and the range attack doesn't use your magic defence bonus, it uses your ranged bonus. Magic defence is used when they cast the water blast like spells.

 

 

 

Hope this helped.

Be my guest, use full Torag's at waterfiend and see what happens.

Best weapons:

 

 

 

SGS>Z spear>SS.

 

 

 

Use karils with prayer or armadyl/guthans without ;)

Best weapons:

 

 

 

SGS>Z spear>SS.

 

 

 

Use karils with prayer or armadyl/guthans without ;)

 

 

 

SS>SGS>ZS

 

 

 

7 Strength> 5 Crush.

 

 

 

SGS is better than ZS only because of special.

Z spear in my opinion is a lot better then SS for killing fiends. I'm not counting about then weapon bonus attack...

 

 

 

SGS wins overall cause of spec, cause is very useful at fiends :thumbup:

Z spear in my opinion is a lot better then SS for killing fiends. I'm not counting about then weapon bonus attack...

 

 

 

SGS wins overall cause of spec, cause is very useful at fiends :thumbup:

 

 

 

Why would ZS be better? It only trains controlled on crush, the defenses it provides are worthless there. :S

 

 

 

SGS is still too slow, and wastes time if you keep hitting low numbers.

I would go for ZS, it's alot cheaper and I don't see a massive difference for what? 5-6m price?

ZS is awesome at fiends in my view, kills same speed at SS and costs 6.5m less....

ZS is awesome at fiends in my view, kills same speed at SS and costs 6.5m less....

 

If you can afford it cost doesn't matter.

Z spear in my opinion is a lot better then SS for killing fiends. I'm not counting about then weapon bonus attack...

 

 

 

SGS wins overall cause of spec, cause is very useful at fiends :thumbup:

 

 

 

Why would ZS be better? It only trains controlled on crush, the defenses it provides are worthless there. :S

 

 

 

SGS is still too slow, and wastes time if you keep hitting low numbers.

 

 

 

Best way to use SGS is to use an SS/ZS for your main weapon and switch to the godsword for specials.