pureprayer Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 I have a friend in mind, she's bi - possibly more understanding. But she's a friend I like and wouldn't want to drive away. Talk. Now. Pureprayer, you're awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killerbeer0 Posted March 31, 2009 Author Share Posted March 31, 2009 Idk, I'd have to take it slow. Test the waters before putting myself on the spot. OH S***! He/she/it is back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pureprayer Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Ask her about being bi. If she opens you open. Are you still attracted to girls? I don't get that your straight and a zoo. Pureprayer, you're awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElkNight Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Ask her about being bi. If she opens you open. Are you still attracted to girls? I don't get that your straight and a zoo. [hide=RAWR][/hide] 8,180WONGTONG IS THE BEST AND IS MORE SUPERIOR THAN ME#1 Wongtong stalker.Im looking for some No Limit soldiers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venomai Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Which means it's still far more inconvenient than having a normal diet. [...] We eat meat because it is expedient when it comes to our diets (our diets being necessary for survival). [...] You're the one who said I'm talking about a high meat diet. You've lost all sense of your earlier argument: "We [eat meat] for survival." Simply put: no, we do not. We eat meat because we enjoy it, and because it is abundant in our culture. We butcher thousands of animals every day because it creates a more luxurious lifestyle for us -- not because we do it for survival. So where is this irregularly placed line drawn? Treatment which results in unnecessary damage or injury, as stated by law. Laws against bestiality, on the other hand, are backed by little more than religious ideals, moral panic and widespread ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmanpur3 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 I have a friend in mind, she's bi - possibly more understanding. But she's a friend I like and wouldn't want to drive away.If you do tell anyone, just make sure it's clear that it's not really something you can help and that you'll still be the same you personality wise. Maybe tell them you feel like you have a weight on your chest that you just want to tell someone so it can be lifted at least a little bit and that it's not like you want to have an in depth discussion about it but are willing to answer some questions if they want to ask. My cousin/best friend recently came out of the closet to me and I had pretty much known/suspected it for quite a while, but he just never told me for fear of me distancing myself from him because I have joked about being a homophobe in the past. So while your friends might think it's some gross thing or whatnot, they won't (shouldn't if they're friends worth having) distance themselves from you if you tell them because once it's "closer to home" they'll change their perspective on it. May the presents of our lord and savior, Santa, be with you this holiday season!First annual Clausmas - 2009 December 25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pureprayer Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Which means it's still far more inconvenient than having a normal diet. [...] We eat meat because it is expedient when it comes to our diets (our diets being necessary for survival). [...] You're the one who said I'm talking about a high meat diet. You've lost all sense of your earlier argument: "We [eat meat] for survival." Simply put: no, we do not. We eat meat because we enjoy it, and because it is abundant in our culture. We butcher thousands of animals every day because it creates a more luxurious lifestyle for us -- not because we do it for survival. Listen, wimp--whoops, too aggressive. Gimme some of that tofu burger. Ah, I can feel the testosterone receding already. Now then, let us reason like gentlemen. There are some intelligent arguments for vegetarianism, but claiming that man is "naturally" herbivorous isn't one of them. The settled judgment of science is that man is an omnivore, capable of eating both meat and vegetables, much as certain four-year-olds might like to convince their mothers otherwise. Like the hard-core carnivores, we have fairly simple digestive systems well suited to the consumption of animal protein, which breaks down quickly. Contrary to what your magazine article says, the human small intestine, at 23 feet, is a little under eight times body length (assuming a mouth-to-anus "body length" of three feet). This is about midway between cats (three times body length), dogs (3-1/2 times), and other well-known meat eaters on the one hand and plant eaters such as cattle (20 to 1) and horses (12 to 1) on the other. This tends to support the idea that we are omnivores. Herbivores also have a variety of specialized digestive organs capable of breaking down cellulose, the main component of plant tissue. Humans find cellulose totally indigestible, and even plant eaters have to take their time with it. If you were a ruminant (cud eater), for instance, you might have a stomach with four compartments, enabling you to cough up last night's alfalfa and chew on it all over again. Or you might have an enlarged cecum, a sac attached to the intestines, where rabbits and such store food until their intestinal bacteria have time to do their stuff. Digestion in such cases takes place by a process of fermentation--bacteria actually "eat" the cellulose and the host animal consumes what results, namely bacteria dung. The story is roughly the same with teeth. We're equipped with an all-purpose set of ivories equally suited to liver and onions. Good thing, too. I won't claim meat is the ideal source of protein, but on the whole it's better than plants. Sure, soybeans and other products of modern agriculture are pretty nutritious. But in the wild, much of the plant menu consists of leaves and stems, which are low in food value. True herbivores have to spend much of the day scrounging for snacks just to keep their strength up. So make no mistake: we were born to eat meat. That's not to say you have to. There's no question that strictly from a health standpoint we'd all be a lot better off eating less meat (red meat especially) and more fruits and vegetables. But vegetarians aren't going to advance their cause by making ridiculous claims. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/rea ... -by-nature Pureprayer, you're awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venomai Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 I'm not a vegetarian and I'm not suggesting humans are 'natural herbivores'. Read my posts. We continue to include meat in our diets not for survival, but for luxury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zierro Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 I'm not a vegetarian and I'm not suggesting humans are 'natural herbivores'. Read my posts. We continue to include meat in our diets not for survival, but for luxury. But the intentions behind eating meat are survival-oriented, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IGoddessI Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Suicide > vegetarianism > blah blah blah Is talking about this kind of bs on a thread about a guy who has a genuine problem really necessary? The only people who tell you that you can't do something are those who have already given up on their own dreams so feel the need to discourage yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venomai Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 I agree with IGoddessI. There's no need to continue this argument of meat and survival. Apologies to the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killerbeer0 Posted March 31, 2009 Author Share Posted March 31, 2009 I was reading a forum and found this quote, which describes how I feel pretty accurately. I feel like Im standing at a doorway and if I go through it my life will change in away I dont want and maybe I'd lose control [of] part of it OH S***! He/she/it is back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zierro Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 I'm sure everyone's felt that way before. I'm assuming the author is talking about the choices we make and how it effects our lives. How does it describe how you feel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killerbeer0 Posted April 1, 2009 Author Share Posted April 1, 2009 I'm sure everyone's felt that way before. I'm assuming the author is talking about the choices we make and how it effects our lives. How does it describe how you feel? Taking it out of context wasn't all that clear... It was written about this subject. OH S***! He/she/it is back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zierro Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 Sorry, I meant what kind of decisions are you facing that makes you feel that way? (Does is have to do with coming out of the closet door?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killerbeer0 Posted April 1, 2009 Author Share Posted April 1, 2009 Sorry, I meant what kind of decisions are you facing that makes you feel that way? (Does is have to do with coming out of the closet door?) That and trying to suppress it and end up offing myself a decade into a happy-looking marriage. EDIT: Sarcasm aside, I think I could end up being one of those people. I don't want that but life has a funny way of not going how you want. OH S***! He/she/it is back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathdrow Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 Sorry, I meant what kind of decisions are you facing that makes you feel that way? (Does is have to do with coming out of the closet door?) That and trying to suppress it and end up offing myself a decade into a happy-looking marriage. EDIT: Sarcasm aside, I think I could end up being one of those people. I don't want that but life has a funny way of not going how you want. just a quick question. you don't have to answer it if you don't want to. but, do you want to have sex with animals? or do you just like, fall in love with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killerbeer0 Posted April 1, 2009 Author Share Posted April 1, 2009 Sorry, I meant what kind of decisions are you facing that makes you feel that way? (Does is have to do with coming out of the closet door?) That and trying to suppress it and end up offing myself a decade into a happy-looking marriage. EDIT: Sarcasm aside, I think I could end up being one of those people. I don't want that but life has a funny way of not going how you want. just a quick question. you don't have to answer it if you don't want to. but, do you want to have sex with animals? or do you just like, fall in love with them? Not really sure to be honest. The trouble is I don't particularly like dogs and they're seriously 95% of people's choices. The only animal I particularly like to have around are cats, which I do develop deep relationships to (deeper than I do with people, by a considerable margin). A physical outlet is outside the realm of feasible possibility - opportunities are either extremely risky, not particularly appealing, or nonexistent. OH S***! He/she/it is back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathdrow Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 Sorry, I meant what kind of decisions are you facing that makes you feel that way? (Does is have to do with coming out of the closet door?) That and trying to suppress it and end up offing myself a decade into a happy-looking marriage. EDIT: Sarcasm aside, I think I could end up being one of those people. I don't want that but life has a funny way of not going how you want. just a quick question. you don't have to answer it if you don't want to. but, do you want to have sex with animals? or do you just like, fall in love with them? Not really sure to be honest. The trouble is I don't particularly like dogs and they're seriously 95% of people's choices. The only animal I particularly like to have around are cats, which I do develop deep relationships to (deeper than I do with people, by a considerable margin). A physical outlet is outside the realm of feasible possibility - opportunities are either extremely risky, not particularly appealing, or nonexistent. 700th post for you. and, I honestly wouldn't consider that to be zoophylia. it just means you have a more sentimental connection to animals from how I see it. because I know people who have deep connections with their pets. and the thing with it being more then people, it also depends on how much you can trust people, and on how deep of a relationship you can build someone. I don't trust people. like ever. and I have very close relationships with my kitties, and I wouldn't consider it that. but I guess it all depends on the specific case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IGoddessI Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 I found a free counselling service near you, check inbox for details. And many people form bonds and companionship with their pets. Some people can't have children, some people just don't trust other people and others have been so hurt by other people and they know their pets aren't going to hurt them. The only people who tell you that you can't do something are those who have already given up on their own dreams so feel the need to discourage yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nenga Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 You don't have to marry. It's one of societies expectations that all males will marry and have children that can pass on your genes. It's been told to me so many times, when I was young, that I will do that when i'm older, the thought sickens me now. (whats sad is that's true) One thing you eventually have to learn about life is you have to live it for you, not anyone else. Everyone else doesn't decide what makes you happy. Not trying to bash religion here but, the "morals" religion has set have sunk so far into our society that anything else is evil. Most people are scared of things changing around them. Eventually you just have to disregard their ideas. Nothing ever changed by people following the rules. Ponies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmanpur3 Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 One thing you eventually have to learn about life is you have to live it for you, not anyone else. Everyone else doesn't decide what makes you happy.That brings up the question of whether or not we're meant to live life for ourselves versus living life for others though. May the presents of our lord and savior, Santa, be with you this holiday season!First annual Clausmas - 2009 December 25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killerbeer0 Posted April 1, 2009 Author Share Posted April 1, 2009 Not really sure to be honest. The trouble is I don't particularly like dogs and they're seriously 95% of people's choices. The only animal I particularly like to have around are cats, which I do develop deep relationships to (deeper than I do with people, by a considerable margin). A physical outlet is outside the realm of feasible possibility - opportunities are either extremely risky, not particularly appealing, or nonexistent. 700th post for you. and, I honestly wouldn't consider that to be zoophylia. it just means you have a more sentimental connection to animals from how I see it. because I know people who have deep connections with their pets. and the thing with it being more then people, it also depends on how much you can trust people, and on how deep of a relationship you can build someone. I don't trust people. like ever. and I have very close relationships with my kitties, and I wouldn't consider it that. but I guess it all depends on the specific case. I'm not basing my self-diagnosis on the relationship, just as an example of how it manifests itself. I guess it is a sort of reassurance that this isn't totally new. EDIT: I have decided to take a step forward and reach out to others like me who have gone through this before. OH S***! He/she/it is back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nenga Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 One thing you eventually have to learn about life is you have to live it for you, not anyone else. Everyone else doesn't decide what makes you happy.That brings up the question of whether or not we're meant to live life for ourselves versus living life for others though. yes I guess it does. I gave my thoughts on that question in the post though. I certainly don't want to go through life as another drop in the river. Ponies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pureprayer Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 Talk to your friend yet? Pureprayer, you're awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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