What does "natural" even mean in this sense?

 

 

 

Normal for the majority of cases or occurring in nature?

What does "natural" even mean in this sense?

 

 

 

Normal for the majority of cases or occurring in nature?

 

Natural, from what I meant by it, is something occurring without any outside influence toward it.

It is natural. A lot of people are homosexual (6% in my country) so not quite an extremely rare thing. Also, a lot of animals can be gay. For example, fruit flies become increasingly homosexual if the temperature decreases. No, I'm not joking.

 

 

 

There's nothing wrong with homosexuality. Implying your (religious) morals on other people is just pathetic. Just keep it to yourself and don't bother other people with it.

 

 

 

It has nothing to do with religion, it just isn't natural. The bilological purpose of sex is reproduction, the fact that it feels good is just an incentive.

 

homosexuality is natural though, it can happen by a gene, is naturally occurring in humans, and can be caused by traumas experienced in someone's life.

 

Reproducing feels good to you, but to homosexuals, it can be just as weird as you think it is for them to like it in a different sense. but do you realize the prostate is the male equivalent to the [bleep]oris, and it feels better for men when they have anal sex? and with lesbianism, woman can do pretty much the same men can do to them.

 

The fact is gay sex might seem weird to you, but to them it's normal, and your normal forms of intercourse, could be considered weird to them.

 

Also, if you look at the fetishes people have, It is deemed to be normal by society(to an extent of what the [specialInterest] itself is, but fetishes in general are accepted), it's the same thing with homosexuality, but most people don't think of it in the same way.

 

I know I screwed something I said in there up, but im not sure what.

 

 

 

So you don't believe in God because theres no proof, but you believe in a gay gene that there's no proof exists?

 

Sure. But that's surely an abnormality. This clearly is something that isn't experienced often in our society. And, more importantly, that behaviour violates the rights of other people, while being gay does not.

 

I was using that as a point that it's just a natural thought in mind.

 

 

 

You don't really choose what you like and what you don't. You find out, really. So, homosexuality is a natural thing, in that sense. And like deathdrow said, "it can happen by a gene."

 

 

 

What does "natural" even mean in this sense?

 

 

 

Normal for the majority of cases or occurring in nature?

 

Natural, from what I meant by it, is something occurring without any outside influence toward it.

 

I believe natural is anything which... occurs withou... - what deathdrow said.

What does "natural" even mean in this sense?

 

 

 

Normal for the majority of cases or occurring in nature?

 

Natural, from what I meant by it, is something occurring without any outside influence toward it.

 

 

 

Well by that definition, we can observe absolutely nothing natural.

 

 

 

Observer effect?

It is natural. A lot of people are homosexual (6% in my country) so not quite an extremely rare thing. Also, a lot of animals can be gay. For example, fruit flies become increasingly homosexual if the temperature decreases. No, I'm not joking.

 

 

 

There's nothing wrong with homosexuality. Implying your (religious) morals on other people is just pathetic. Just keep it to yourself and don't bother other people with it.

 

 

 

It has nothing to do with religion, it just isn't natural. The bilological purpose of sex is reproduction, the fact that it feels good is just an incentive.

 

homosexuality is natural though, it can happen by a gene, is naturally occurring in humans, and can be caused by traumas experienced in someone's life.

 

Reproducing feels good to you, but to homosexuals, it can be just as weird as you think it is for them to like it in a different sense. but do you realize the prostate is the male equivalent to the [bleep]oris, and it feels better for men when they have anal sex? and with lesbianism, woman can do pretty much the same men can do to them.

 

The fact is gay sex might seem weird to you, but to them it's normal, and your normal forms of intercourse, could be considered weird to them.

 

Also, if you look at the fetishes people have, It is deemed to be normal by society(to an extent of what the [specialInterest] itself is, but fetishes in general are accepted), it's the same thing with homosexuality, but most people don't think of it in the same way.

 

I know I screwed something I said in there up, but im not sure what.

 

 

 

So you don't believe in God because theres no proof, but you believe in a gay gene that there's no proof exists?

 

I've read several articles with good evidence supporting the gene, I'll try to find them.

 

But for now, just completely disregard the whole it's a gene thing.

It has nothing to do with religion, it just isn't natural. The bilological purpose of sex is reproduction, the fact that it feels good is just an incentive.

 

 

 

It's natural to people who feel that type of unconventional attraction. You think I want to be sexually attracted to animals? [bleep] that [cabbage]... I have no choice. It's natural to me and I have to accept it, if you can't then [bleep] you. I really can't put it more gently.

It has nothing to do with religion, it just isn't natural. The bilological purpose of sex is reproduction, the fact that it feels good is just an incentive.

 

 

 

It's natural to people who feel that type of unconventional attraction. You think I want to be sexually attracted to animals? [bleep] that [cabbage]... I have no choice. It's natural to me and I have to accept it, if you can't then [bleep] you. I really can't put it more gently.

 

 

 

You can't help the attraction, it's when you try to act on it that I have a problem.

In the thread about homosexuality, I posted a bunch of links concerning how homosexuality most likely isn't a choice in most cases. I don't feel like digging it up, it probably was around page 80 or something.

 

Anyway, even if homosexuality is a sin (big "if", little "if", it doesn't matter), that doesn't necessarily mean it isn't a choice. I think we can agree that lying is a sin. I think we can also agree that lying is inevitable. So why can't the same be true for homosexuality?

 

And likewise, just because its a sin doesn't mean that there should be a law against it. Where's the law against lying?

 

And at least lying can be harmful. How does two gay people getting married halfway across the country from you affect you at all?

It is natural. A lot of people are homosexual (6% in my country) so not quite an extremely rare thing. Also, a lot of animals can be gay. For example, fruit flies become increasingly homosexual if the temperature decreases. No, I'm not joking.

 

 

 

There's nothing wrong with homosexuality. Implying your (religious) morals on other people is just pathetic. Just keep it to yourself and don't bother other people with it.

 

 

 

It has nothing to do with religion, it just isn't natural. The bilological purpose of sex is reproduction, the fact that it feels good is just an incentive.

 

homosexuality is natural though, it can happen by a gene, is naturally occurring in humans, and can be caused by traumas experienced in someone's life.

 

Reproducing feels good to you, but to homosexuals, it can be just as weird as you think it is for them to like it in a different sense. but do you realize the prostate is the male equivalent to the [bleep]oris, and it feels better for men when they have anal sex? and with lesbianism, woman can do pretty much the same men can do to them.

 

The fact is gay sex might seem weird to you, but to them it's normal, and your normal forms of intercourse, could be considered weird to them.

 

Also, if you look at the fetishes people have, It is deemed to be normal by society(to an extent of what the [specialInterest] itself is, but fetishes in general are accepted), it's the same thing with homosexuality, but most people don't think of it in the same way.

 

I know I screwed something I said in there up, but im not sure what.

 

There is no "homosexual gene." If there were, it would constitute a genetic mutation; which is a disease, and one could infer that homosexuality is a disease. As it is, there are fools do try to make that chimeric argument.

It is natural. A lot of people are homosexual (6% in my country) so not quite an extremely rare thing. Also, a lot of animals can be gay. For example, fruit flies become increasingly homosexual if the temperature decreases. No, I'm not joking.

 

 

 

There's nothing wrong with homosexuality. Implying your (religious) morals on other people is just pathetic. Just keep it to yourself and don't bother other people with it.

 

 

 

It has nothing to do with religion, it just isn't natural. The bilological purpose of sex is reproduction, the fact that it feels good is just an incentive.

 

homosexuality is natural though, it can happen by a gene, is naturally occurring in humans, and can be caused by traumas experienced in someone's life.

 

Reproducing feels good to you, but to homosexuals, it can be just as weird as you think it is for them to like it in a different sense. but do you realize the prostate is the male equivalent to the [bleep]oris, and it feels better for men when they have anal sex? and with lesbianism, woman can do pretty much the same men can do to them.

 

The fact is gay sex might seem weird to you, but to them it's normal, and your normal forms of intercourse, could be considered weird to them.

 

Also, if you look at the fetishes people have, It is deemed to be normal by society(to an extent of what the [specialInterest] itself is, but fetishes in general are accepted), it's the same thing with homosexuality, but most people don't think of it in the same way.

 

I know I screwed something I said in there up, but im not sure what.

 

There is no "homosexual gene." If there were, it would constitute a genetic mutation; which is a disease, and one could infer that homosexuality is a disease. As it is, there are fools do try to make that chimeric argument.

 

The entire human species is a genetic mutation. Anything that has a cell is a genetic mutation.

It is natural. A lot of people are homosexual (6% in my country) so not quite an extremely rare thing. Also, a lot of animals can be gay. For example, fruit flies become increasingly homosexual if the temperature decreases. No, I'm not joking.

 

 

 

There's nothing wrong with homosexuality. Implying your (religious) morals on other people is just pathetic. Just keep it to yourself and don't bother other people with it.

 

 

 

It has nothing to do with religion, it just isn't natural. The bilological purpose of sex is reproduction, the fact that it feels good is just an incentive.

 

homosexuality is natural though, it can happen by a gene, is naturally occurring in humans, and can be caused by traumas experienced in someone's life.

 

Reproducing feels good to you, but to homosexuals, it can be just as weird as you think it is for them to like it in a different sense. but do you realize the prostate is the male equivalent to the [bleep]oris, and it feels better for men when they have anal sex? and with lesbianism, woman can do pretty much the same men can do to them.

 

The fact is gay sex might seem weird to you, but to them it's normal, and your normal forms of intercourse, could be considered weird to them.

 

Also, if you look at the fetishes people have, It is deemed to be normal by society(to an extent of what the [specialInterest] itself is, but fetishes in general are accepted), it's the same thing with homosexuality, but most people don't think of it in the same way.

 

I know I screwed something I said in there up, but im not sure what.

 

There is no "homosexual gene." If there were, it would constitute a genetic mutation; which is a disease, and one could infer that homosexuality is a disease. As it is, there are fools do try to make that chimeric argument.

 

 

 

But isn't genetic mutation how evolution happens?

You can't help the attraction, it's when you try to act on it that I have a problem.

 

 

 

Why? It's consensual and both parties enjoy it. What's wrong with that?

It is natural. A lot of people are homosexual (6% in my country) so not quite an extremely rare thing. Also, a lot of animals can be gay. For example, fruit flies become increasingly homosexual if the temperature decreases. No, I'm not joking.

 

 

 

There's nothing wrong with homosexuality. Implying your (religious) morals on other people is just pathetic. Just keep it to yourself and don't bother other people with it.

 

 

 

It has nothing to do with religion, it just isn't natural. The bilological purpose of sex is reproduction, the fact that it feels good is just an incentive.

 

homosexuality is natural though, it can happen by a gene, is naturally occurring in humans, and can be caused by traumas experienced in someone's life.

 

Reproducing feels good to you, but to homosexuals, it can be just as weird as you think it is for them to like it in a different sense. but do you realize the prostate is the male equivalent to the [bleep]oris, and it feels better for men when they have anal sex? and with lesbianism, woman can do pretty much the same men can do to them.

 

The fact is gay sex might seem weird to you, but to them it's normal, and your normal forms of intercourse, could be considered weird to them.

 

Also, if you look at the fetishes people have, It is deemed to be normal by society(to an extent of what the [specialInterest] itself is, but fetishes in general are accepted), it's the same thing with homosexuality, but most people don't think of it in the same way.

 

I know I screwed something I said in there up, but im not sure what.

 

There is no "homosexual gene." If there were, it would constitute a genetic mutation; which is a disease, and one could infer that homosexuality is a disease. As it is, there are fools do try to make that chimeric argument.

 

 

 

How does there not being a homosexuality gene make it a choice?

 

 

 

I know you didn't say those words, but if that isn't what you're saying then it isn't relevant to the issue whatsoever.

 

 

 

To the others, he is talking about harmful mutations

You can't help the attraction, it's when you try to act on it that I have a problem.

 

 

 

Why? It's consensual and both parties enjoy it. What's wrong with that?

 

 

 

I meant marriage, not whoopee.

You can't help the attraction, it's when you try to act on it that I have a problem.

 

 

 

Why? It's consensual and both parties enjoy it. What's wrong with that?

 

how do you know your cat is gonna enjoy it?

You can't help the attraction, it's when you try to act on it that I have a problem.

 

 

 

Why? It's consensual and both parties enjoy it. What's wrong with that?

 

 

 

I meant marriage, not whoopee.

 

 

 

The same argument stands.

You can't help the attraction, it's when you try to act on it that I have a problem.

 

 

 

Why? It's consensual and both parties enjoy it. What's wrong with that?

 

 

 

I meant marriage, not whoopee.

 

 

 

The same argument stands.

 

 

 

Because marriage should be between a man and a women, thats just what marriage is. Still, aside from the meaning of marriage, there's nothing wrong with gays doing the equivalent, so maybe something seperate, but with the same recognition? And NO, I'm not suggesting South Park's movement for "butt buddies".

 

 

 

You can't help the attraction, it's when you try to act on it that I have a problem.

 

 

 

Why? It's consensual and both parties enjoy it. What's wrong with that?

 

how do you know your cat is gonna enjoy it?

 

 

 

I was trying to leave his sexuality out of it...

You can't help the attraction, it's when you try to act on it that I have a problem.

 

 

 

Why? It's consensual and both parties enjoy it. What's wrong with that?

 

 

 

I meant marriage, not whoopee.

 

 

 

The same argument stands.

 

 

 

Because marriage should be between a man and a women, thats just what marriage is. Still, aside from the meaning of marriage, there's nothing wrong with gays doing the equivalent, so maybe something seperate, but with the same recognition? And NO, I'm not suggesting South Park's movement for "butt buddies".

 

 

 

You can't help the attraction, it's when you try to act on it that I have a problem.

 

 

 

Why? It's consensual and both parties enjoy it. What's wrong with that?

 

how do you know your cat is gonna enjoy it?

 

 

 

I was trying to leave his sexuality out of it...

 

and I was making a bad joke....

 

 

 

anyways, I do believe marriage in the church should be followed as the church's views state it should be followed, but gay marriage done by the state, is perfectly fine with me.

Uhm, to get this clear.. there is no single gay gene. There is evidence about a genetic factor influencing sexual preference.. but it's never solemnly one gene, and this type of multi-factorial ""abnormalities"" are never caused by merely a genetic variation. Your environment plays a role aswell. Just like with cancer, diabetes, and stuff like that.

 

 

 

Do note that I do NOT want to call homosexuality a disease. A disease is something you suffer from. Homosexuality clearly is not something like that. And since so many people are gay, it's merely a variation in the human population.

 

anyways, I do believe marriage in the church should be followed as the church's views state it should be followed, but gay marriage done by the state, is perfectly fine with me.

 

 

 

Actually, that works just as well.

You can't help the attraction, it's when you try to act on it that I have a problem.

 

 

 

Why? It's consensual and both parties enjoy it. What's wrong with that?

 

how do you know your cat is gonna enjoy it?

 

 

 

Larger animals... And that's a logical question to ask, and the answer is body language. Animals have very obvious ways of expressing displeasure, and are less reserved about it than people.

 

 

 

@Dizzle's above post: That's fine with me, a bit callous to mention it so bluntly, but I put myself out there and am prepared to deal with any criticism.

You can't help the attraction, it's when you try to act on it that I have a problem.

 

 

 

Why? It's consensual and both parties enjoy it. What's wrong with that?

 

how do you know your cat is gonna enjoy it?

 

 

 

Larger animals... And that's a logical question to ask, and the answer is body language. Animals have very obvious ways of expressing displeasure, and are less reserved about it than people.

 

 

 

@Dizzle's above post: That's fine with me, a bit callous to mention it so bluntly, but I put myself out there and am prepared to deal with any criticism.

 

 

 

You're going to get criticized for not being hetero, but you know you're a good person so why pay them any mind?

 

anyways, I do believe marriage in the church should be followed as the church's views state it should be followed, but gay marriage done by the state, is perfectly fine with me.

 

 

 

You know what? This actually seems like a good solution that will favour all parties. Of course, heterosexual and homosexual spouses should have the same benefits and what not, but yeah, good idea. State and church should be separate anyway

 

anyways, I do believe marriage in the church should be followed as the church's views state it should be followed, but gay marriage done by the state, is perfectly fine with me.

 

 

 

You know what? This actually seems like a good solution that will favour all parties. Of course, heterosexual and homosexual spouses should have the same benefits and what not, but yeah, good idea. State and church should be separate anyway

 

Can't add anything else. This is more or less what I was saying last election :lol: