^Aren't nechs better money than gargoyles? But they both suck; really every slayer monsters up to, and possibly even including abyssal demons and spiritual mages, should have better drops.

 

 

 

I agree that they both suck, and they shouldn't.I think that Gargoyles may have the advantage. In additon to the G maul, Gargoyles also have Mystic robe tops, and several rune items, and a fairly reliable drop of Pure essence. Nechs have death runes, Rune boots, and other rune stuff.

 

 

 

Rune boots drop at a rate of about once every 150 kills, and they were once 200k. Now they have been made obselete and only contribute a small amount to the profit of every task. I strongly doubt that nechs are 100-200k per hour. They used to be better, and the problem could be solved by adding one weapon.

 

 

 

While other Slayer monsters could deserve an increase to their drops, I think that Nechs are the most glaring problem. It takes 100 hours of work to achieve the slayer level required to fight them, and their only drop is obselete. Maybe solving the Nech problem could bring attention to some other problems as well. But lets take one thing at a time.

 

 

 

Dark beasts are the most glaring problem. Second most would probably be wyverns, though the release of summoning and the DFS has helped them dramatically.

You can make alot of profit with a nech, task if charms are worth anything to you.

At least they gave nechs a good crimson drop rate.

^Aren't nechs better money than gargoyles? But they both suck; really every slayer monsters up to, and possibly even including abyssal demons and spiritual mages, should have better drops.

 

 

 

I agree that they both suck, and they shouldn't.I think that Gargoyles may have the advantage. In additon to the G maul, Gargoyles also have Mystic robe tops, and several rune items, and a fairly reliable drop of Pure essence. Nechs have death runes, Rune boots, and other rune stuff.

 

 

 

Rune boots drop at a rate of about once every 150 kills, and they were once 200k. Now they have been made obselete and only contribute a small amount to the profit of every task. I strongly doubt that nechs are 100-200k per hour. They used to be better, and the problem could be solved by adding one weapon.

 

 

 

While other Slayer monsters could deserve an increase to their drops, I think that Nechs are the most glaring problem. It takes 100 hours of work to achieve the slayer level required to fight them, and their only drop is obselete. Maybe solving the Nech problem could bring attention to some other problems as well. But lets take one thing at a time.

 

 

 

Dark beasts are the most glaring problem. Second most would probably be wyverns, though the release of summoning and the DFS has helped them dramatically.

 

 

 

While Dark Beast's big drop is of lower value than the whip, it is still of very good value. If the Dark Bow dropped down to an extremely low level, like the value of Rune Boots, I would be complaining. It may be a problem, but it is not one that is as major. That is just my opinion though.

 

 

 

Skeletal Wyverns have a Granite Leg drop, I believe that G legs were still well over 150k. You also get good priced wyvern bones, and a rare shot at a visage.

 

 

 

Both of these creatures do have some issues that could be looked at, but compare these two with the Nech, that has an obselete drop. 80-100 hours of work to get a low value rune drop. As I have said before, it could be solved very simply.

 

 

 

I am not asking for a fancy new item, or anything crazy. Just add a dragon weapon, The schimmy, the hally, or the B axe, or even just beef up the secondaries.

 

 

 

You can make alot of profit with a nech, task if charms are worth anything to you.

 

 

 

They do have some worth to me, but abyssals drop lots of charms too, and they have a drop. Dark Beasts drop lots of blues, and they have a good drop. I think that 80 slayer should be worth more than just getting higher than average crimsons.Do you not like the idea of making a change to the nech drop list?

 

 

 

I guess the above also works for Erichermit's response as well.

Nechryaels probably drop more Death runes and other high level herb seeds than any other monster, their rune drops is usually 1 per task, and usually I come out with more cash than an Abyssal task if there is no whip drops.

Nechryaels probably drop more Death runes and other high level herb seeds than any other monster, their rune drops is usually 1 per task, and usually I come out with more cash than an Abyssal task if there is no whip drops.

 

 

 

But that's the thing. IF you don't get a whip, but once you average in the whip, Nechs are worse.

 

 

 

Oh btw, I support this. I'd like to see nechs get a better drop, like what they did to Dark Beasts. I wouldn't say d hally/scim/baxe, since nobody really uses those. But in all honesty, it doesn't matter as long as they get something or other.

Whips are 1/450.

Whips are 1/450.

 

 

 

Even at 1/450, the whip still has a huge impact on the profitability of Abyssal Demons. It adds roughly 3k to the average value of every kill of an Abyssal demon. The average nech task is about 150 kills, and you will be extremely lucky to make 250k. Death Runes are probably negotated by the Abyssal's Pure ess drop alone.

 

 

 

Spiritual Mages have d boots, Abbys have whips, Dark Beasts have D bows. WIthout those special items, these monsters porbably wouldnt be any better than Fire Giants in terms of profit.

 

 

 

Compare those Slayer monsters with the Nech, which has a drop that was outmoded. It did not naturally decline in profit as people reached 80 slayer, the drop was made obselete. Nechs have a huge requirement, and they reallly have no high value drop. I think that I have proposed an extremely simple solution that will fix this problem.

 

 

 

 

 

Nechryaels probably drop more Death runes and other high level herb seeds than any other monster, their rune drops is usually 1 per task, and usually I come out with more cash than an Abyssal task if there is no whip drops.

 

 

 

But that's the thing. IF you don't get a whip, but once you average in the whip, Nechs are worse.

 

 

 

Oh btw, I support this. I'd like to see nechs get a better drop, like what they did to Dark Beasts. I wouldn't say d hally/scim/baxe, since nobody really uses those. But in all honesty, it doesn't matter as long as they get something or other.

 

 

 

The hally and b axe aren't used very often, but you would be suprised how many people I see use the schimmy in pvp. The dragon items were really the only thing in the range I was loooking for, there may be other stuff too, though.

Whips are 1/450.

 

 

 

Cool, so every 3-4 tasks you get one. That's an extra 400-500k profit to EACH task.

^Aren't nechs better money than gargoyles? But they both suck; really every slayer monsters up to, and possibly even including abyssal demons and spiritual mages, should have better drops.

 

 

 

I agree that they both suck, and they shouldn't.I think that Gargoyles may have the advantage. In additon to the G maul, Gargoyles also have Mystic robe tops, and several rune items, and a fairly reliable drop of Pure essence. Nechs have death runes, Rune boots, and other rune stuff.

 

 

 

Rune boots drop at a rate of about once every 150 kills, and they were once 200k. Now they have been made obselete and only contribute a small amount to the profit of every task. I strongly doubt that nechs are 100-200k per hour. They used to be better, and the problem could be solved by adding one weapon.

 

 

 

While other Slayer monsters could deserve an increase to their drops, I think that Nechs are the most glaring problem. It takes 100 hours of work to achieve the slayer level required to fight them, and their only drop is obselete. Maybe solving the Nech problem could bring attention to some other problems as well. But lets take one thing at a time.

 

 

 

Dark beasts are the most glaring problem. Second most would probably be wyverns, though the release of summoning and the DFS has helped them dramatically.

 

 

 

While Dark Beast's big drop is of lower value than the whip, it is still of very good value. If the Dark Bow dropped down to an extremely low level, like the value of Rune Boots, I would be complaining. It may be a problem, but it is not one that is as major. That is just my opinion though.

 

 

 

Skeletal Wyverns have a Granite Leg drop, I believe that G legs were still well over 150k. You also get good priced wyvern bones, and a rare shot at a visage.

 

 

 

Both of these creatures do have some issues that could be looked at, but compare these two with the Nech, that has an obselete drop. 80-100 hours of work to get a low value rune drop. As I have said before, it could be solved very simply.

 

 

 

I am not asking for a fancy new item, or anything crazy. Just add a dragon weapon, The schimmy, the hally, or the B axe, or even just beef up the secondaries.

 

 

 

You can make alot of profit with a nech, task if charms are worth anything to you.

 

 

 

They do have some worth to me, but abyssals drop lots of charms too, and they have a drop. Dark Beasts drop lots of blues, and they have a good drop. I think that 80 slayer should be worth more than just getting higher than average crimsons.Do you not like the idea of making a change to the nech drop list?

 

 

 

I guess the above also works for Erichermit's response as well.

 

 

 

Dark beasts might be better money then nechs, but it takes a lot more time to get to 90 slayer then 80. Besides, nechs are the best slayer monster in the game, with the possible exception of dusties, when you are level 80. At level 90 the dark beast is far inferior to abyssal demons and spiritual mages.

^Aren't nechs better money than gargoyles? But they both suck; really every slayer monsters up to, and possibly even including abyssal demons and spiritual mages, should have better drops.

 

 

 

I agree that they both suck, and they shouldn't.I think that Gargoyles may have the advantage. In additon to the G maul, Gargoyles also have Mystic robe tops, and several rune items, and a fairly reliable drop of Pure essence. Nechs have death runes, Rune boots, and other rune stuff.

 

 

 

Rune boots drop at a rate of about once every 150 kills, and they were once 200k. Now they have been made obselete and only contribute a small amount to the profit of every task. I strongly doubt that nechs are 100-200k per hour. They used to be better, and the problem could be solved by adding one weapon.

 

 

 

While other Slayer monsters could deserve an increase to their drops, I think that Nechs are the most glaring problem. It takes 100 hours of work to achieve the slayer level required to fight them, and their only drop is obselete. Maybe solving the Nech problem could bring attention to some other problems as well. But lets take one thing at a time.

 

 

 

Dark beasts are the most glaring problem. Second most would probably be wyverns, though the release of summoning and the DFS has helped them dramatically.

 

 

 

While Dark Beast's big drop is of lower value than the whip, it is still of very good value. If the Dark Bow dropped down to an extremely low level, like the value of Rune Boots, I would be complaining. It may be a problem, but it is not one that is as major. That is just my opinion though.

 

 

 

Skeletal Wyverns have a Granite Leg drop, I believe that G legs were still well over 150k. You also get good priced wyvern bones, and a rare shot at a visage.

 

 

 

Both of these creatures do have some issues that could be looked at, but compare these two with the Nech, that has an obselete drop. 80-100 hours of work to get a low value rune drop. As I have said before, it could be solved very simply.

 

 

 

I am not asking for a fancy new item, or anything crazy. Just add a dragon weapon, The schimmy, the hally, or the B axe, or even just beef up the secondaries.

 

 

 

You can make alot of profit with a nech, task if charms are worth anything to you.

 

 

 

They do have some worth to me, but abyssals drop lots of charms too, and they have a drop. Dark Beasts drop lots of blues, and they have a good drop. I think that 80 slayer should be worth more than just getting higher than average crimsons.Do you not like the idea of making a change to the nech drop list?

 

 

 

I guess the above also works for Erichermit's response as well.

 

 

 

Dark beasts might be better money then nechs, but it takes a lot more time to get to 90 slayer then 80. Besides, nechs are the best slayer monster in the game, with the possible exception of dusties, when you are level 80. At level 90 the dark beast is far inferior to abyssal demons and spiritual mages.

 

 

 

It is arguable that gargoyles are better becasue they are more cash per hour, but as far as dark beasts are concerned, I feel as long as a Slayer Monster has a high value drop, that is good enough. You can't be sure of the demand there will be for any given item, and people want the whip more than they want the D Bow.

 

 

 

The Dark Beast may not be the best monster to hit for profit, but it does have a high value drop. Compare that with the nech, which does not have a high value drop. It did have a drop but the drop was outmoded. I do not expect jagex to enter in a new item as a given slay monster is camped and the price naturally falls, but this was not a case of the price naturally falling, this was a case of the item being made obselete.

 

 

 

The item should be replaced with some kind of high value item, but it is difficult to get an item without interfereing with something else. I think the D schimmy is probably the best option, or some other dragon weapon.

That's absurd. Would you consider iron dragons to be better than aviansies because irons' best drop is 18 mil while aviansies best drop (half key) is only 50k? Dark beasts are awful money, it doesn't matter how much their best drop is worth if it takes many hours to get it.

 

 

 

Nechs are far better charms and better xp than gargoyles; there's no real comparison.

nechs are good xp and good charm droppers. I usually find the death runes and ranarr/snapdragon seeds to be easily more than enough to make profit by themselves, let alone the rune drops. However saying this, i would say that a new better value drop would be better.

That's absurd. Would you consider iron dragons to be better than aviansies because irons' best drop is 18 mil while aviansies best drop (half key) is only 50k? Dark beasts are awful money, it doesn't matter how much their best drop is worth if it takes many hours to get it.

 

 

 

Nechs are far better charms and better xp than gargoyles; there's no real comparison.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do not expect nechs to be the best monster in the game at 80 slayer, just as I do not expect Dark beasts to be the best monster in the game at 90 slayer. My objective, as I stated in the OP, is merely to give Nechs another drop in order to fill the hole left by the fact that their main drop was made obselete. D bows, on the other hand, are not obselete. They have declined naturally in price as more people have gained the ablilty to fight Dark Beasts. I am not opposed to natural decline.

 

 

 

I can't honestly remember which is better, but if you look at zarfot's guide, I am certain that gargoyles and nechs are both extremely close in xp. They are certainly better charms, but Rock Lobsters beat them both out with a Slayer requirement of level 1. Waterfiends also beat them by a mile, with the same requirement.

 

 

 

Dark Beasts are not amazing money, but they give a very good amount of money, a decent number of blue charms, and a High Value Dark Bow drop. They perhaps could be looked at, but I believe that nechs are bigger letdown at the moment.

nechs are good xp and good charm droppers. I usually find the death runes and ranarr/snapdragon seeds to be easily more than enough to make profit by themselves, let alone the rune drops. However saying this, i would say that a new better value drop would be better.

 

 

 

Gargoyles have their good secondary drops, and they get a G Maul. Abyssals, and Dark Beasts also have good secondaries. I would not mind it if their secondaries were beefed up without a Dragon Weapon or anytihng, that is actually a good option. A D weapon, or better secondaries would solve the problem.

 

 

 

However they do require 80 slayer, and IMO they should give better cash, no matter what the new drop is. Thanks for the support.

I always thought Nechryaels would be a good fit to drop some sort of new Mage Staff. Not sure why

i can see where you are going with this but i do't support this idea

 

 

 

for one i have to put up with dark beast....there best drop a dbow that is super rare and worth 800k less then a whip and takes TON of P POTS to kill them. your lucky to get a d bow in 1,00 kills. I killed 3,000 and going and i have got 1 d bow so far......and dark beast do not drop clues aswell.

 

 

 

Nech. have some good seed drops....I got about 1-3 snapdragon seeds there a task and some rune full helms or rune boots(also they have clue drops). As for spirital mages you can camp there and make money off the boot, but some time they will drop if there are to many brought into the game by campers....or if new boots come out (barrow(dark) boots) and lower the price.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

right now my last three task has been dark beast, nechs., and now spiritual mages

 

 

 

here is a look at what i made and lost

 

 

 

Dark beast---I made 100k, but lost 180k so that means [-80k profit] :thumbdown:

 

 

 

Nechs.---I made about 200k, but lost about 30k in bolts and range pot :thumbup:

 

 

 

Spiritual mages--- not done with this but i have 59 kills left to go---so far i got 12k from pure ess and nature runes(if i get a d boot drop thats about 260k made) :thumbup:

 

 

 

So as i can see spiritual mages are a little better but then again takes 83 slayer which is alot because slayer is slow, but nechs are not far behind in making money. Dark beast on the other hand are great if you want to get like 30 blue charms but lose a good 150k a trip)and all at the cost of 90 slayer w00t so easy to get right? =)......no

i can see where you are going with this but i do't support this idea

 

 

 

for one i have to put up with dark beast....there best drop a dbow that is super rare and worth 800k less then a whip and takes TON of P POTS to kill them. your lucky to get a d bow in 1,00 kills. I killed 3,000 and going and i have got 1 d bow so far......and dark beast do not drop clues aswell.

 

 

 

Nech. have some good seed drops....I got about 1-3 snapdragon seeds there a task and some rune full helms or rune boots(also they have clue drops). As for spirital mages you can camp there and make money off the boot, but some time they will drop if there are to many brought into the game by campers....or if new boots come out (barrow(dark) boots) and lower the price.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

right now my last three task has been dark beast, nechs., and now spiritual mages

 

 

 

here is a look at what i made and lost

 

 

 

Dark beast---I made 100k, but lost 180k so that means [-80k profit] :thumbdown:

 

 

 

Nechs.---I made about 200k, but lost about 30k in bolts and range pot :thumbup:

 

 

 

Spiritual mages--- not done with this but i have 59 kills left to go---so far i got 12k from pure ess and nature runes(if i get a d boot drop thats about 260k made) :thumbup:

 

 

 

So as i can see spiritual mages are a little better but then again takes 83 slayer which is alot because slayer is slow, but nechs are not far behind in making money. Dark beast on the other hand are great if you want to get like 30 blue charms but lose a good 150k a trip)and all at the cost of 90 slayer w00t so easy to get right? =)......no

 

 

 

But Dark Beasts do have a high value drop. And while you may have done these trials, those numbers are a one time trail that do not even take into account the drop of a dark bow. We can't even take into account the methods of killing you used. It is better to use established numbers from people who have done thousands of kills, like Zarfot.

 

 

 

You said that the D Bow is only one in 1,000 kills, and while it is possible to go 1,000 kills and not get a d bow, according to Zarfot the drop rate is about one in 350. Zarfot has a record of accuracy and I believe that his numbers are probably the most comprehensive avalible on this subject.

 

 

 

I do not expcet a Slayer monster to be the best monster or best cash in the game, I expect them to just be reasonable profit, and have a high value drop. Nechs used to have a high value drop, but it was replaced when D Boots came out, and not naturally as more people reached 80 slayer and camped.

 

 

 

I am not expecting anything too fancy, just add a dragon weapon, like the Schimmy or the B axe or the hally.

I always thought Nechryaels would be a good fit to drop some sort of new Mage Staff. Not sure why

 

 

 

Possibly, but I have a feeling that new weapons would be reserved for newly released monsters. But just as well, it could be anything, while would be much simpler just to add a dragon item or beef up secondaries, that could work.

Nice thread i support

 

 

 

For 80 slayer the drop are a disappointment steel dragon task have better drops and u dont have to have 80 slayer to get them.

 

 

 

 

Yeah, but just a correction nothing drops d scim.

 

 

 

Cockroach soldiers drop D Schimmys in p2p. If you think that the halberd is too strange of a drop, it could be something else.

 

 

 

Didn't know that sorry.

 

 

 

Idk about the drop, but I don't think the hally is used enough to really solve the problem, except if you alch it. But adding a drop but as an alchable seems kinda like a waste to me.

 

And Cockroach soldiers do not drop D Schimmys in p2p.

 

 

 

 

Ps: this is the year of improvements and upgrades to the game and skills.

Nice thread i support

 

 

 

For 80 slayer the drop are a disappointment steel dragon task have better drops and u dont have to have 80 slayer to get them.

 

 

 

 

Yeah, but just a correction nothing drops d scim.

 

 

 

Cockroach soldiers drop D Schimmys in p2p. If you think that the halberd is too strange of a drop, it could be something else.

 

 

 

Didn't know that sorry.

 

 

 

Idk about the drop, but I don't think the hally is used enough to really solve the problem, except if you alch it. But adding a drop but as an alchable seems kinda like a waste to me.

 

And Cockroach soldiers do not drop D Schimmys in p2p.

 

 

 

 

Ps: this is the year of improvements and upgrades to the game and skills.

 

 

 

Thanks for the support. Rune Hq lists them as dropping the D scimitar, but i'm not sure I would believe them before tip it :lol: .

 

 

 

I've been looking at prices, and at the moment, the D long is at 82,000 gp after years of being at a steady 100k. This may be due to drops form the CB and these new "Reborn Warriors". However it now seems to be stablizing at 82k.

 

 

 

The D halberd or D B Axe might be a better option now, because while more people use the d scimmy than the D long, people kill nechs more often than the CB or reborn warriors. It's very difficult to find a drop that does not interfere with something else, but those are the only ones that I have found so far.

 

 

 

A Slight drop in price would not devastate the game, but on the other hand, if these drop too low then there would be no point in adding them. The hally and D B Axe, however would stablize at alch value, we wouldn't have to worry about that problem with them.

 

 

 

A new item could also be an option, but adding one of these drops or better secondaries would be simpler.

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Nice thread i support

 

 

 

For 80 slayer the drop are a disappointment steel dragon task have better drops and u dont have to have 80 slayer to get them.

 

 

 

 

Yeah, but just a correction nothing drops d scim.

 

 

 

Cockroach soldiers drop D Schimmys in p2p. If you think that the halberd is too strange of a drop, it could be something else.

 

 

 

Didn't know that sorry.

 

 

 

Idk about the drop, but I don't think the hally is used enough to really solve the problem, except if you alch it. But adding a drop but as an alchable seems kinda like a waste to me.

 

And Cockroach soldiers do not drop D Schimmys in p2p.

 

 

 

 

Ps: this is the year of improvements and upgrades to the game and skills.

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Thanks for the support. Rune Hq lists them as dropping the D scimitar, but i'm not sure I would believe them before tip it :lol: .

 

 

 

I've been looking at prices, and at the moment, the D long is at 82,000 gp after years of being at a steady 100k. This may be due to drops form the CB and these new "Reborn Warriors". However it now seems to be stablizing at 82k.

 

 

 

The D halberd or D B Axe might be a better option now, because while more people use the d scimmy than the D long, people kill nechs more often than the CB or reborn warriors. It's very difficult to find a drop that does not interfere with something else, but those are the only ones that I have found so far.

 

 

 

A Slight drop in price would not devastate the game, but on the other hand, if these drop too low then there would be no point in adding them. The hally and D B Axe, however would stablize at alch value, we wouldn't have to worry about that problem with them.

 

 

 

A new item could also be an option, but adding one of these drops or better secondaries would be simpler.

 

 

 

There is someting that give dragon scimitar in the game and that is dragon implings.

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Nice thread i support

 

 

 

For 80 slayer the drop are a disappointment steel dragon task have better drops and u dont have to have 80 slayer to get them.

 

 

 

 

Yeah, but just a correction nothing drops d scim.

 

 

 

Cockroach soldiers drop D Schimmys in p2p. If you think that the halberd is too strange of a drop, it could be something else.

 

 

 

Didn't know that sorry.

 

 

 

Idk about the drop, but I don't think the hally is used enough to really solve the problem, except if you alch it. But adding a drop but as an alchable seems kinda like a waste to me.

 

And Cockroach soldiers do not drop D Schimmys in p2p.

 

 

 

 

Ps: this is the year of improvements and upgrades to the game and skills.

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Thanks for the support. Rune Hq lists them as dropping the D scimitar, but i'm not sure I would believe them before tip it :lol: .

 

 

 

I've been looking at prices, and at the moment, the D long is at 82,000 gp after years of being at a steady 100k. This may be due to drops form the CB and these new "Reborn Warriors". However it now seems to be stablizing at 82k.

 

 

 

The D halberd or D B Axe might be a better option now, because while more people use the d scimmy than the D long, people kill nechs more often than the CB or reborn warriors. It's very difficult to find a drop that does not interfere with something else, but those are the only ones that I have found so far.

 

 

 

A Slight drop in price would not devastate the game, but on the other hand, if these drop too low then there would be no point in adding them. The hally and D B Axe, however would stablize at alch value, we wouldn't have to worry about that problem with them.

 

 

 

A new item could also be an option, but adding one of these drops or better secondaries would be simpler.

 

 

 

There is someting that give dragon scimitar in the game and that is dragon implings.

 

 

 

The Runescape Wiki says that they don't, but that they do drop the D long. I really doubt though that people would be actively camping for D scimmy drops, it would just be a drop that people would happen to get when they were on task.

 

 

 

I'm not sure but I believe that more people kill nechs and get drops then the CB, Dragon implings, and "reborn warriors' combined. the D Long has fallen from 100k to 82k, but on the other hand, the D scimmy is more popular than the D Long. The D scimmy could be good, if the price wouldn't fall badly. The d Battle Axe or the D hally could also work because they would stablize at alch value.

How about shield right half? You already lose over 200k by combining the two halves. Another way to get the right half would allow its price to fall below the insane shop price. They alch for 300k.

How about shield right half? You already lose over 200k by combining the two halves. Another way to get the right half would allow its price to fall below the insane shop price. They alch for 300k.

 

 

 

Thanks for the support.

 

 

 

That is another idea. That is a bit of a high reward and would slightly devalue the Legend's Guild, but that Guild is long dead anyway. The D sq is an obselete item that isn't used for anything but tank ranging at this point, this would probably bring it better in line with its true current use and value.

 

 

 

If you didn't want to base it entirely on alch value, the D Scimmy might work. D Sq or the Hally or B axe would also work because of the Alch value.

 

 

 

I think that many of these suggestions for an item would work well, and if anyone has further ideas, they can also be examined. 80-100 hours of work should merit the ability to fight a monster with a high value drop. After the D boots were introduced, another item should have been added to beef up the Nech drop list. I have edited my first post to reflect all of the suggestions.