Well seeing we're stuck with about 5 PK worlds - 2 of those in the French and German servers, and 2 of those in the English server lag as hell leaving the only decently playable one as 57, I think it's time we go over the reasons as to why Jagex removed those worlds.

 

 

 

As you probably know, Jagex stated that they removed the worlds because the wilderness is not as active as it should be.

 

 

 

To be perfectly honest, I agree. I'm not a big fan of Jagex seeing how they make a good update then screw it over a month after they release it, but we gave them a very good excuse for removing those worlds.

 

 

 

We expect Jagex to give us 8-10 PK worlds at the least yet we're not active at all in the wilderness (The Clan World in general, that is). People have been complaining to Jagex saying that in the weekends, clans need empty worlds to have a decent PKRI.

 

 

 

Cool story, true, but since when was the wilderness made for 1-2 days out of 7 in a week? Maybe if clans went out to PK and not just have those stupid recurring planned fights, we wouldn't be in this situation at all.

 

 

 

"My clan is weak and small, I can't last vs top clans" - Team up like in the old wilderness, make alliances, get joint PK trips. Just go out for the fun of it.

 

 

 

"My clan would go out if other clans were out" - Sure thing bro, but if every clan says that then we'll end up with this situation: No clans PKing at all.

 

 

 

Lots of clans (Not pointing fingers by the way) claim to be PK clans yet they only have one fight a week, and its a stinking planned fight. How does that make you a PK clan?

 

 

 

So I think instead of blaming Jagex, I think we should step it up and force them to give us more worlds. Go out and PK, go team with other clans if you must, let's keep the wilderness active 7 out of 7 days instead of 1 day a week. Get the hell out of your safe CWA fights and try something new if you claim you're a PKing clan.

 

 

 

So to sum this up:

 

- Jagex made a financially wise choice, to keep less server loads on other worlds and increase wilderness activity at the same time.

 

- Go out to PK more and force them to give us more worlds.

 

 

 

Agree? Disagree? Have a comment? Please do post.

 

 

 

Personally i feel that if we could get 40 clans to stop using Clan Wars they would give us 8-9 more pvp worlds. It's these clans who use clan wars because they are scared that 1-2 members might quit because they will lose a rune set that's holding everyone back.

Personally, SE pk's very often. However, the Rising is the only clan we ever see on a weekday, besides DK at BH.

 

I do agree that more clans should pk, more often.

Nice copied topic.

Nice copied topic.

 

 

 

Yup, but relevant nonetheless no?

Orly? Copied?

 

 

 

Still, it brings out a good point. Many clans don't go pking on weekdays, and if you add more worlds, you would have less... "Food" during lunchtime for clans.

 

 

 

Then again, I should shut up, I never went pking in the old wilderness....

Well how are clans with a combat average ranged from 100-110 with 100 opts able to survive against clans with combat average 120+ and 200 opts?

 

 

 

Sorry, but as a leader of a 95+ clan, I'm not gunna stick a sign over our heads saying: "FREE RUNE HERE" when the majority of our pulls are in the level 90-100 zone.

 

 

 

So, what are we waiting for? Clan growth in combat levels and numbers.

I do agree with the post I must say. Before I was one of the "more pvp worlds", but that post brings up a few good points. I am a fan of alliances, I think if a clan can't win just get some help of another clan and it makes it more fun, although it shouldn't be the rule that every time you go into wild you have to do it with 5 other clans in order to survive. Some independability is also needed for a clan, just be together with your PK leaders & your members only and slay some clans.

 

 

 

I understand it better now from the view of JAGeX, although I think money isn't that big of an issue for them. :

Well how are clans with a combat average ranged from 100-110 with 100 opts able to survive against clans with combat average 120+ and 200 opts?

 

 

 

Sorry, but as a leader of a 95+ clan, I'm not gunna stick a sign over our heads saying: "FREE RUNE HERE" when the majority of our pulls are in the level 90-100 zone.

 

 

 

So, what are we waiting for? Clan growth in combat levels and numbers.

 

 

 

Lets face it, a clan with average 120+ and 200 opts isnt out all the time, and isn't gonna waste their time looking for you. There are many many 90+ clans looking for pvp practices and pk's. If you want i can get you in contact with some.

 

 

 

Oh and if you read the topic - "My clan is weak and small, I can't last vs top clans" - Team up like in the old wilderness, make alliances, get joint PK trips. Just go out for the fun of it."

DH pk's very often every week but since our timezone is GMT we usually meet Golden Sun, DK + some big clans when we PK a bit longer. Clans should go PK more often, and in my opinion Clan Wars arena should be deleted - ppl would stop crying about their rune cause there wouldn't be any way to spend time with a clan but pking.

Well I know in the week I've been in with Dragonwood we have gone pvp three times. Twice for a war and once for a cluster fight. I do see SE, DK, TR, EoS out there a lot but the other clans should get into the action aswell. LGZ take your 60+ CW opts into pvp you'll be a force no doubt. Downfall your 40+ CW opts will be beast aswell. I have seen HP once out there :thumbsup: . Anyways I'm saying try and step out of CW and into pvp and who knows maybe you might enjoy it.

We could be cool and make a rsof topic. With about 1k or so people in the clan world, Im sure we could get Jagex's attention.

 

 

 

Can't be that hard, but same time, problely a topci already made about the issue.

For better or worse, TDM is doing our part and still going out PKing. 9 out of 10 times we'll run into a Top 10 PK clan and get mowed, but it's still epic fun.

 

 

 

We were out today (Monday) and ran into DK, ZH, and VR :lol:

 

 

 

Lets face it, a clan with average 120+ and 200 opts isnt out all the time, and isn't gonna waste their time looking for you. There are many many 90+ clans looking for pvp practices and pk's. If you want i can get you in contact with some.

 

 

 

Oh and if you read the topic - "My clan is weak and small, I can't last vs top clans" - Team up like in the old wilderness, make alliances, get joint PK trips. Just go out for the fun of it."

 

 

 

Hey, not saying we not gunna, just saying we're waiting for some clan growth and probably some more experience before doing so. :thumbup:

 

 

 

Lets face it, a clan with average 120+ and 200 opts isnt out all the time, and isn't gonna waste their time looking for you. There are many many 90+ clans looking for pvp practices and pk's. If you want i can get you in contact with some.

 

 

 

Oh and if you read the topic - "My clan is weak and small, I can't last vs top clans" - Team up like in the old wilderness, make alliances, get joint PK trips. Just go out for the fun of it."

 

 

 

Hey, not saying we not gunna, just saying we're waiting for some clan growth and probably some more experience before doing so. :thumbup:

 

 

 

You pull a lot more than MANY other clans outside the top ten that PvP. The best experience you can get is just getting out there and doing it. If you do want to do this then by all means get in touch with me, i have many ideas for TWR PvP wars / JOINT Pk's etc.

Hey, not saying we not gunna, just saying we're waiting for some clan growth and probably some more experience before doing so. :thumbup:

 

 

 

You pull a lot more than MANY other clans outside the top ten that PvP. The best experience you can get is just getting out there and doing it. If you do want to do this then by all means get in touch with me, i have many ideas for TWR PvP wars / JOINT Pk's etc.

 

 

 

Sure, I'll pm you sometime. :thumbsup:

DH pk's very often every week but since our timezone is GMT we usually meet Golden Sun, DK + some big clans when we PK a bit longer. Clans should go PK more often, and in my opinion Clan Wars arena should be deleted - ppl would stop crying about their rune cause there wouldn't be any way to spend time with a clan but pking.

 

Yes, I think we cleared you 3 times last week :P

DH pk's very often every week but since our timezone is GMT we usually meet Golden Sun, DK + some big clans when we PK a bit longer. Clans should go PK more often, and in my opinion Clan Wars arena should be deleted - ppl would stop crying about their rune cause there wouldn't be any way to spend time with a clan but pking.

 

Yes, I think we cleared you 3 times last week :P

 

I can smell some e-beef stirring in the pot...

 

 

 

Nah, just that I am surprised SE is so... varied in timezones...

DH pk's very often every week but since our timezone is GMT we usually meet Golden Sun, DK + some big clans when we PK a bit longer. Clans should go PK more often, and in my opinion Clan Wars arena should be deleted - ppl would stop crying about their rune cause there wouldn't be any way to spend time with a clan but pking.

 

Yes, I think we cleared you 3 times last week :P

 

I can smell some e-beef stirring in the pot...

 

 

 

Nah, just that I am surprised SE is so... varied in timezones...

 

One of the reasons I join is because SE really does love to pk. All the time ;)

Pking is like a chain in dutch clanning :lol:

 

Rt or Rdc plans a pk, 2m plans one to hunt them and than rt/rdc goes out to help the other.

 

Dg&sow used to pk together but I haven't hear of them much last times.

 

And a other dutch clan who goes often PvP is Aeon, but mostly matched fights.

Even though Blas doesn't pk much, we sitll manage to get out a bit, usually with it getting ended by us running into Exodus, 2m, etc.

 

Seems like we can never fight clans our size like how it was back in old wildy, oh well :P

Even though Blas doesn't pk much, we sitll manage to get out a bit, usually with it getting ended by us running into Exodus, 2m, etc.

 

Seems like we can never fight clans our size like how it was back in old wildy, oh well :P

 

Well that's one of the disadvantages now for smaller clans with less worlds to choose from.

Even though Blas doesn't pk much, we sitll manage to get out a bit, usually with it getting ended by us running into Exodus, 2m, etc.

 

Seems like we can never fight clans our size like how it was back in old wildy, oh well :P

 

Well that's one of the disadvantages now for smaller clans with less worlds to choose from.

 

Which wouldn't have happened if we were more active on weekdays, that is the point of this thread after all.

The sole reason why clans pk on the weekends, or Friday is because they pull more opts during the weekends/Friday because their members have the time. Weekdays is work, or school, for majority of everyone. Weekends no school and a larger portion of members are off from work. Hence why clans will pull at least 70% more on weekends than on weekdays. This is why clans pk on the weekends.

 

 

 

Another good, solid reason is clan burn-out. Burn-out is from several factors. First one is the morality of the members. If they're pking 3 times a week, every week, they're going to be tired, if not depressed of they've lost several times, and only won a handful of times. What makes it more intense is that pking with a team for so long will just get flat out boring. To reduce burn-out clans have organized themselves to, lol, 'clan binging' basically. They pk for three days and have four days to mentally recover. The other factors have to do with gp deprivation in-game, and ability to be consistent on attendance with so many events just burns them out.

 

 

 

Not to mention it's easier on people to know that 'this, this and that day' are going to be the days to pk, and will be for a long-term plan. Thus people feel more comfortable around this structure and are able to plan around it. Members can plan around it in real life, or to prepare in-game, and clan officials can organize run-ins, or full outs easily on the three days without having to tell the members weeks ahead of time to get decent ops, and it allows event organizers to focus on other activities than just pk trip times.

 

 

 

This is why this is the normal function in which clans will pk. It used to work, and it provided immense benefits to clan and individual performance.

 

 

 

So no, it's not our fault for our difficulties in these troublesome but replenishing times. Jagex needs to meet the players and clans needs, we've had this pk model established for a good part of three years, or more with individual clans. The reasons why we created this model and why it's such a success with current clans is because the reasons for its existence are still present in the game, and in real life. Jagex has neglected this key factor in how clans operate and that is why it's their responsibility and duty to repair the hindrance that is keeping us from our daily routines that keep clans alive.

 

 

 

Clans can not operate in the numbers they have operated in on weekdays, and it won't ever happen unless everyone goes on vacation for a very long time. Clans will not pull the numbers they regularly pull, and in result clan activity will go down, and members of the clans will feel left out from the weekday trips and not feel involved and will most likely leave the clan for clans that have stuck to the old model.

 

 

 

Clans, or at least active and successful clans have always had miniature pk trips during the week, that aren't official and are majority of the time just 'all of sudden let's go pk guys' type of trips, where it's 10-20 members just having fun without a real structure, just the bonds they bring with each other. These kinds of trips are always going to happen but they're most likely going to increase in frequency if Jagex keeps this up.

 

 

 

The truth is a large portion of users come on on weekends and want to pk or play the game. When they find out that their clan is pking during weekdays, when they can't attend, they're going to be angry. When they find out that all there is to do on weekends is cluster fights, that are just chaos, and not anywhere near structured organization between clans but just endless crashing between clans and endless returning between clans, they aren't going to be pleased, and will get bored with such meaningless, and eventually 'boring' routine of finding a clan, crashing their cluster fight, returning to the fight, getting crashed, regrouping, recrashing, re-returning, re-regroup...etc. There isn't going to be much diversity with such few worlds.

 

 

 

This is why Jagex must restore the equalization brought by the spreading of clans through-out worlds.

 

 

 

Another thing is how many of you guys abide by an honour system? Since when has crashing, on purpose, even been acceptable? Yet now we take it like accidental safing in 1vs1 fights.

 

 

 

If we adapt it doesn't leave room for those on weekends, but if we tolerate it it's not going to be enjoyful. Thus Jagex needs to intervene.