I think that PvM Defence is totally fine. I can do many Slayer tasks in one trip without any food and minimal, if not at all, use of Guthan's. If anything has to be done here, a small boost in the ability to dodge some of the boss monsters more often would be a nice treat for those people like me who decided to train Defence rather high.

 

 

 

PvP, however, seems to be the one area I've never liked about having high Defence. Though I will often see 99 Strength Capers spec 0's on me with their AGS and Claws, the majority of the time I can't stand a long fight with them. Their specs may fail, but their normal attacks usually hit quite more often. They seem to be changing PvP every week nowadays, so why not give us a little Defence boost? ;)

 

 

 

The other problem is that to make full use of strength and/or attack in pvp, you only need to risk a weapon, which is only one item, and usually doesn't cost as much. To make full use of defence, however, you need to risk 3-4 sections of armor, which is a much higher risk.

 

 

 

Additionally, it is more difficult to escape pursuers that lean towards strength and attack than a defence training player. If a clan of strength pures piles you, they could knock you down easily with several high hits. If a clan of defence pures piled you, they wouldn't hit high or very often, allowing you to survive until you reached a safe area.

 

 

 

Similarly, while wearing armor, and you are winning a fight against a pure, the pure can just run away easily in their light armor, while you are slowed down by your heavy metal gear.

If you read instead of skimming you'll see I did make that point. Maybe skimming is what stops you understanding logic?

 

 

 

A 50kg suit of armour is going to make your opponent miss your body (thus doing damage) more often, not hit more often.

 

 

 

If they manage to get into a weak spot of your armour and do damage, why would your armour reduce that damage?

 

 

 

Just because other games have that flaw doesn't mean Runescape should. Jagex doesn't have to adopt every single idea from other games into runescape you know.

 

 

 

So how does that work with mage robes or leather :?:

 

 

 

It obviously doesn't have to copy thing but why change things that don't need altering?

 

 

 

langer, stfu.

 

 

 

Just cos you don't know basic things there is no need to find my posts and call me what ever pathetic names you can think of.

 

 

 

It says more about you than me. You can think what you like about me but is there any need to go on other threads, go totaly off topic and throw insults at me?

 

 

 

I don't see any other threads. Furthermore, saying stfu is a bit worse to me then saying you can't use logic because it is an acronym for a saying including a swear. Also, who can't take a joke now?

 

 

 

As to defence...The game is based on probability. When you consider things like armour allowing you to dodge easier, the simplest answer is that you are overanalyzing it.

 

 

 

Also, theoretically a lvl 3 COULD be a lvl 138 in full statius. In theory. Defence and armour raise the chance of you taking less or no damage from a hit, while attack raises the chance of hitting (higher chance of not hitting a 0, higher chance of hitting closer to your max) whereas str raises your max, and weapons do both.

 

 

 

The problem is, when it is all based on probabilities, the unlikely probabilities will appear sometimes. When you calculate the odds of the thousands of hits against you, you run into unlikely results.

 

 

 

If def didn't work, 99 def tankers wouldn't work, or be desired in clans. It's also worth noting selective memory; we aren't going to think about or make a mental note of every time your def works, you only think of the unlikely results; as those ones get your attention.

 

 

 

That being said, sometimes I wonder....sometimes it DOES feel like 80 def could be better then 99 lol...but it's probably our imagination o.O

If you read instead of skimming you'll see I did make that point. Maybe skimming is what stops you understanding logic?

 

 

 

A 50kg suit of armour is going to make your opponent miss your body (thus doing damage) more often, not hit more often.

 

 

 

If they manage to get into a weak spot of your armour and do damage, why would your armour reduce that damage?

 

 

 

Just because other games have that flaw doesn't mean Runescape should. Jagex doesn't have to adopt every single idea from other games into runescape you know.

 

 

 

So how does that work with mage robes or leather :?:

 

 

 

It obviously doesn't have to copy thing but why change things that don't need altering?

 

 

 

langer, stfu.

 

 

 

Just cos you don't know basic things there is no need to find my posts and call me what ever pathetic names you can think of.

 

 

 

It says more about you than me. You can think what you like about me but is there any need to go on other threads, go totaly off topic and throw insults at me?

 

 

 

I don't see any other threads. Furthermore, saying stfu is a bit worse to me then saying you can't use logic because it is an acronym for a saying including a swear. Also, who can't take a joke now?

 

 

 

As to defence...The game is based on probability. When you consider things like armour allowing you to dodge easier, the simplest answer is that you are overanalyzing it.

 

 

 

Also, theoretically a lvl 3 COULD be a lvl 138 in full statius. In theory. Defence and armour raise the chance of you taking less or no damage from a hit, while attack raises the chance of hitting (higher chance of not hitting a 0, higher chance of hitting closer to your max) whereas str raises your max, and weapons do both.

 

 

 

The problem is, when it is all based on probabilities, the unlikely probabilities will appear sometimes. When you calculate the odds of the thousands of hits against you, you run into unlikely results.

 

 

 

If def didn't work, 99 def tankers wouldn't work, or be desired in clans. It's also worth noting selective memory; we aren't going to think about or make a mental note of every time your def works, you only think of the unlikely results; as those ones get your attention.

 

 

 

That being said, sometimes I wonder....sometimes it DOES feel like 80 def could be better then 99 lol...but it's probably our imagination o.O

 

 

 

Oh no, a swear word! :roll:

 

 

 

What does logic have to do with some body posting totaly off topic just to insult me, further more what does logic have to do with swearing?

 

 

 

"Don't bother with him, he doesn't have the cognitive capacity to use logic." Isn't a joke, so mind your own business. -.-

 

 

 

A level 3 could never beat a 138, if the 138 was armed with a minimum bronze med, chain, legs and dagger. Maybe even unarmed the 138 would win.

You fail to realize that, armed with appropriate equipment, judging the level 138 is not attacking back, eventually the level 3 has a slim chance of winning. The earlier theories do not rely on inter-player combat when judging a win or loss, it simply states that the 138 will die.

personally i feel that defense is definitely important to a high cb lvl or for that matter, even a low lvl pure. firstly i started out with a high str with low attk and even noober def. then i realised that i was getting hit ALOT and missing my hits ALOT! so i trained attk and def. yet i realised that i was still getting hit pretty bad even while my accuracy improved. Therefore the reason for my def training came into place. over time i have realised that even with my relatively low def as compared to my other lvls, the results are really shining through. an evaluation of my current results are as follows.

 

 

 

pros: 1) last way longer then b4 while fighting monsters and with the same amount of food.

 

2) usually the last person standing in a clan fight.

 

 

 

cons: 1) i am no longer capable of dealing "high" damages as expected for my combat lvl.

 

 

 

for me, because in pvp kills are usually rare and few unless you count your own death as a kill, i trust heavily in def. this way i survive way longer and chances of my dying are greatly reduced. an example would be recent battles between me and four other players, a lvl 99ranger, mager, 2 warriors. not only did i NOT die once throughout our 4 battles, i managed to keep up the fight in multi combat for up to a minute each. this brought some glory from the arena of str to the arena of def and naturally humiliated my opponents greatly. btw they were all lvl 95++ and i was lvl 105 at the time.

You fail to realize that, armed with appropriate equipment, judging the level 138 is not attacking back, eventually the level 3 has a slim chance of winning. The earlier theories do not rely on inter-player combat when judging a win or loss, it simply states that the 138 will die.

 

 

 

Are you serious? The 138 isn't hitting back and you think the level 3 only has a slim chance? He can't lose, eventually he will kill him. :wall:

You fail to realize that, armed with appropriate equipment, judging the level 138 is not attacking back, eventually the level 3 has a slim chance of winning. The earlier theories do not rely on inter-player combat when judging a win or loss, it simply states that the 138 will die.

 

 

 

Are you serious? The 138 isn't hitting back and you think the level 3 only has a slim chance? He can't lose, eventually he will kill him. :wall:

 

 

 

Eventually...who knows how long it takes?

 

 

 

Technically, the level 3 might not be able to catch up with the HP regeneration rate of the 138.

no offense but total rubbish. i assure you that a lvl 3 cannot in any way even hit 1 damage against a lvl 138. i have had many lvl3s try their luck with me in f2p duel arena and i m only 107 combat. they dun even hit 1 damage. for your information, i wasnt even donning my armour in those fights.

You fail to realize that, armed with appropriate equipment, judging the level 138 is not attacking back, eventually the level 3 has a slim chance of winning. The earlier theories do not rely on inter-player combat when judging a win or loss, it simply states that the 138 will die.

 

 

 

Are you serious? The 138 isn't hitting back and you think the level 3 only has a slim chance? He can't lose, eventually he will kill him. :wall:

 

 

 

Eventually...who knows how long it takes?

 

 

 

Technically, the level 3 might not be able to catch up with the HP regeneration rate of the 138.

 

 

 

Exactly.

 

 

 

If he can hit 1 damage every 60 seconds (guess) he would keep him at about the same healthso any more than 1 hit per minute is killing him, although I can't remember who he said was wearing full statius.

You fail to realize that, armed with appropriate equipment, judging the level 138 is not attacking back, eventually the level 3 has a slim chance of winning. The earlier theories do not rely on inter-player combat when judging a win or loss, it simply states that the 138 will die.

 

 

 

Are you serious? The 138 isn't hitting back and you think the level 3 only has a slim chance? He can't lose, eventually he will kill him. :wall:

 

 

 

Eventually...who knows how long it takes?

 

 

 

Technically, the level 3 might not be able to catch up with the HP regeneration rate of the 138.

 

 

 

Exactly.

 

 

 

If he can hit 1 damage every 60 seconds (guess) he would keep him at about the same healthso any more than 1 hit per minute is killing him, although I can't remember who he said was wearing full statius.

 

 

 

It might take an two or so hours to kill him...that is if the level 3 is lucky. If he's unlucky, he might never kill the level 138 at all.

You fail to realize that, armed with appropriate equipment, judging the level 138 is not attacking back, eventually the level 3 has a slim chance of winning. The earlier theories do not rely on inter-player combat when judging a win or loss, it simply states that the 138 will die.

 

 

 

Are you serious? The 138 isn't hitting back and you think the level 3 only has a slim chance? He can't lose, eventually he will kill him. :wall:

 

 

 

Eventually...who knows how long it takes?

 

 

 

Technically, the level 3 might not be able to catch up with the HP regeneration rate of the 138.

 

 

 

Exactly.

 

 

 

If he can hit 1 damage every 60 seconds (guess) he would keep him at about the same healthso any more than 1 hit per minute is killing him, although I can't remember who he said was wearing full statius.

 

 

 

It might take an two or so hours to kill him...that is if the level 3 is lucky. If he's unlucky, he might never kill the level 138 at all.

 

 

 

You have to consider super pots and poisons aswell.

Regen brace, best defence.

 

 

 

Not gonna happen.

 

 

 

The level 3 would have to get really lucky and hit 1 like 99 times in a row.

Can we state who is using what :lol:

 

 

 

Thats about as probable as wednesday coming after monday, never going to happen.

 

 

 

No... let me educate you.

 

 

 

Contradicting you is something called 'logical neccessity'. 1+1=2. It is logically neccessary that 1+1=2 because 1 and 2 have positions as cardinal numbers a single step away. A single step is one step. We can't work with these numbers unless this is true. You get my drift.

 

 

 

In the same way, Monday and Wednesday are by definition on their respective days.

 

 

 

There is in theory a chance that a level 3 could beat a level 138. That chance is so improbable that it becomes negligable. To all intents and purposes, a level 3 cannot defeat a level 138, but there is a minute chance of it happening.

 

 

 

So there.

 

 

 

Thats about as probable as wednesday coming after monday, never going to happen.

 

 

 

No... let me educate you.

 

 

 

Contradicting you is something called 'logical neccessity'. 1+1=2. It is logically neccessary that 1+1=2 because 1 and 2 have positions as cardinal numbers a single step away. A single step is one step. We can't work with these numbers unless this is true. You get my drift.

 

 

 

In the same way, Monday and Wednesday are by definition on their respective days.

 

 

 

There is in theory a chance that a level 3 could beat a level 138. That chance is so improbable that it becomes negligable. To all intents and purposes, a level 3 cannot defeat a level 138, but there is a minute chance of it happening.

 

 

 

So there.

 

 

 

Actually, there was a mathematician who thought 2+2=3.9 recurring, I cant for the life of me remember his name.

 

 

 

Either way thanks for backing up my point that wednesday will never follow monday.

 

 

 

Ok, find a a level 138 and make a level 3 put the 138 in full statius and see what happens, it would be like knocking down fort knocks with a tooth pic.

 

 

 

You would also need to find out EXACTLY what each person would be wearing to fully determine what would happen.

 

 

 

EDIT: So there.

Given an infinite amount of time the level 3 would win...over many hours the hits of 1 would level his stats until he could out hit the 138's regen rate.

 

 

 

Actually, there was a mathematician who thought 2+2=3.9

 

 

 

4=3.999999999999999(9's forever)

 

 

 

therefore 4=2+2=3.9999999999999999(9's forever)

 

 

 

Thats about as probable as wednesday coming after monday, never going to happen.

 

 

 

No... let me educate you.

 

 

 

Contradicting you is something called 'logical neccessity'. 1+1=2. It is logically neccessary that 1+1=2 because 1 and 2 have positions as cardinal numbers a single step away. A single step is one step. We can't work with these numbers unless this is true. You get my drift.

 

 

 

In the same way, Monday and Wednesday are by definition on their respective days.

 

 

 

There is in theory a chance that a level 3 could beat a level 138. That chance is so improbable that it becomes negligable. To all intents and purposes, a level 3 cannot defeat a level 138, but there is a minute chance of it happening.

 

 

 

So there.

 

 

 

Actually, there was a mathematician who thought 2+2=3.9 recurring, I cant for the life of me remember his name.

 

 

 

Either way thanks for backing up my point that wednesday will never follow monday.

 

 

 

Ok, find a a level 138 and make a level 3 put the 138 in full statius and see what happens, it would be like knocking down fort knocks with a tooth pic.

 

 

 

You would also need to find out EXACTLY what each person would be wearing to fully determine what would happen.

 

 

 

EDIT: So there.

 

 

 

a) He though it. Doesn't make it true.

 

B) There is as I say a tiny chance... but it's so tiny that it's effectively 0.

 

c) Yes, that can be factored in, but it isn't logically neccessary that a level 3 can't beat a level 138. The chance is minute, I agree, but it exists.

Given an infinite amount of time the level 3 would win...over many hours the hits of 1 would level his stats until he could out hit the 138's regen rate.

 

 

 

Actually, there was a mathematician who thought 2+2=3.9

 

 

 

4=3.999999999999999(9's forever)

 

 

 

therefore 4=2+2=3.9999999999999999(9's forever)

 

 

 

Are you saying the level 3's hits would be reducing the level 138' combat stats?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thats about as probable as wednesday coming after monday, never going to happen.

 

 

 

No... let me educate you.

 

 

 

Contradicting you is something called 'logical neccessity'. 1+1=2. It is logically neccessary that 1+1=2 because 1 and 2 have positions as cardinal numbers a single step away. A single step is one step. We can't work with these numbers unless this is true. You get my drift.

 

 

 

In the same way, Monday and Wednesday are by definition on their respective days.

 

 

 

There is in theory a chance that a level 3 could beat a level 138. That chance is so improbable that it becomes negligable. To all intents and purposes, a level 3 cannot defeat a level 138, but there is a minute chance of it happening.

 

 

 

So there.

 

 

 

Actually, there was a mathematician who thought 2+2=3.9 recurring, I cant for the life of me remember his name.

 

 

 

Either way thanks for backing up my point that wednesday will never follow monday.

 

 

 

Ok, find a a level 138 and make a level 3 put the 138 in full statius and see what happens, it would be like knocking down fort knocks with a tooth pic.

 

 

 

You would also need to find out EXACTLY what each person would be wearing to fully determine what would happen.

 

 

 

EDIT: So there.

 

 

 

a) He though it. Doesn't make it true.

 

B) There is as I say a tiny chance... but it's so tiny that it's effectively 0.

 

c) Yes, that can be factored in, but it isn't logically neccessary that a level 3 can't beat a level 138. The chance is minute, I agree, but it exists.

 

 

 

He was a mathematician and your not ....

 

 

 

It is zero.

 

 

 

No, it depends on what there wearing.

 

 

 

Ok, since no body will decide who is wearing what, I will.

 

 

 

Level 3 - nothing

 

 

 

Level 138 - regen brace, fully charged DFS, bandos top, 3rd age legs, 3rd age full helmet, fury, bandos boots, fire cape, Onyx ring (i) and Zamorakian spear (I never knew that gave defence).

 

 

 

I went with things that didn't degrade so the fight would go on forever but you could just go for an hour and see what happens.

 

 

 

With all that defence and the regen brace he would never die to the level 3.

 

 

 

OR

 

 

 

Level 3 - full iron, iron scimmy and super poison dagger, fury and any other of the best stuff they can wear and potted to the eye balls.

 

 

 

Level 138 - nothing

 

 

 

Then he has a chance.

Zamorakian spear cannot be wielded along with a shield.

 

 

 

With 350-400 defence bonus, a lvl 3 would have around 1/1000 to inflict 1 damage at every hit... Things is though... eventually the lvl 3 would level up from hitting 1s on the ever healing lvl 138, so in theory, a lvl 3 cannot kill a 138 as he would probably not be a lvl 3 at the end of the fight!

Zamorakian spear cannot be wielded along with a shield.

 

 

 

With 350-400 defence bonus, a lvl 3 would have around 1/1000 to inflict 1 damage at every hit... Things is though... eventually the lvl 3 would level up from hitting 1s on the ever healing lvl 138, so in theory, a lvl 3 cannot kill a 138 as he would probably not be a lvl 3 at the end of the fight!

 

 

 

Forgot about that, I put regen brace and barrows gloves at the same time before :oops:

 

 

 

Ah I see what you mean, I doubt even a level 20 could do it though.

it's possible... but so unlikely that it's not even worth further discussion.

Test it, till then it is open for discussion.

Test it, till then it is open for discussion.

 

 

 

It is obviously possible for a fight that starts between a level 3 and a level 138 to end with the level 3 winning(assuming the 138 doesn't fight back). The main thing is the level 3 won't be a level 3 when the fight ends.

 

 

 

a. it is possible for 1 att and str to hit so the level 3 will be gaining experience at a very slow rate

 

 

 

b. the level 3 will continue to level up for eternity if the 138 isn't fighting back

 

 

 

c. given a huge amount of time(maybe days or weeks); the level 3 will have leveled to sufficient stats to kill the 138 through the regen.

 

 

 

d. A more curious question is what level does killing a 138 this way become viable; will you need a level 20 with 1 def or a level 30 with 1 def etc.

Test it, till then it is open for discussion.

 

 

 

It is obviously possible for a fight that starts between a level 3 and a level 138 to end with the level 3 winning(assuming the 138 doesn't fight back). The main thing is the level 3 won't be a level 3 when the fight ends.

 

 

 

a. it is possible for 1 att and str to hit so the level 3 will be gaining experience at a very slow rate

 

 

 

b. the level 3 will continue to level up for eternity if the 138 isn't fighting back

 

 

 

c. given a huge amount of time(maybe days or weeks); the level 3 will have leveled to sufficient stats to kill the 138 through the regen.

 

 

 

d. A more curious question is what level does killing a 138 this way become viable; will you need a level 20 with 1 def or a level 30 with 1 def etc.

 

 

 

True, but I assume what they're talking about is the level 3 does not gain xp or level up in any way whatsoever.

You would eventually hit, even with best defence.