DDOSING Serious Issue?

[Toad]

Serious issue, people crashing servers, how are the servers so weak against this? I've seen how its done I won't go into details but WHY are people doing this?

 

 

 

I have crashed in several worlds today thanks to DDOS attacks whilst i've been at PVP and SC been kicked out of games and rendered immobile for several minutes, is this why JaGex are moving ISPS?

 

 

 

Could this be DDOS or just techincal issues with Jagexs current ISP?

[Master_Smither]

Because they want to laugh at Jagex. It's probably some angry Runescapers just like the guy who threw a brick at Jagex towers when they removed the wild.

[Laura]

You should probably cover what DDoSing is before asking why.

[jonni]

proof they're being ddosed?

[Master_Smither]

You should probably cover what DDoSing is before asking why.

 

 

 

It's not that hard to look up.

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-service_attack

[Laura]

You should probably cover what DDoSing is before asking why.

 

 

 

It's not that hard to look up.

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-service_attack

I know what it is. :roll:

[Master_Smither]

proof they're being ddosed?

 

 

 

Dear players,

 

 

 

We'd like to sincerely apologise for the fact that some of our worlds are offline. We have been forced to take them offline due to a problem at one of our ISPs, Navisite.

 

 

 

The worlds affected:

 

4, 5, 7-9, 13-14, 17, 19, 21-22, 26-30, 37, 42, 47-48, 56, 62, 64, 70, 72, 100, 113.

 

 

 

We are informed that the problem is caused by the ISP's routers being overloaded. It is not a problem with our own systems, or with us having inadequate bandwidth.

 

 

 

Unfortunately, because the problem is caused by limitations of a 3rd party's systems, as opposed to our own, it's out of our control.

 

 

 

We are however working really hard to bring these worlds back online by making use of our other data centres around the world. We are also looking for a more permanent solution, which will probably mean switching to a different ISP. Once again, our sincerest apologies for this disruption.

 

 

 

Mark Gerhard

 

CEO Jagex Ltd.

 

 

 

You should probably cover what DDoSing is before asking why.

 

 

 

It's not that hard to look up.

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-service_attack

I know what it is. :roll:

 

 

 

I never said you didn't, but was just pointing out that you can type DDOS into a search engine and find out what it is easily.

[Toad]

Basically I was curious so I joined a IRC channel they were announcing the servers, seconds later it plummeted to around 20 players in population, I've been skilling several times where I cant move for minutes on end, I get logged out and cant talk because of it.

 

 

 

Not sure how they're doing it but they're targetting specific servers and It may be the issue with why JaGeX are moving ISPs the security on the current server by the looks of things is appauling if they're falling like flies.

 

 

 

I am not joining in with DDOSING because I believe any form of bug abuse is not fair play and shouldn't be right, I hope those responsible are banned, but how do they track this?

[Michaael]

The crashing is really annoying I've gotta say. I hope they get it under control soon

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

Okay, where to start...

 

 

 

First, I highly, highly doubt that it was a DDoS that crashed those servers - it was most likely the bad ISP or some other internal issue. Second, any machine that connects to the Internet is instantly weak to a DDoS, doesn't matter if you have a firewall or not. Third, the ISP was unreliable, so yes they're moving - it has nothing to do with DDoSings.

 

 

 

Here's the easy way of how it works: Think of fifty or so kindergarteners trying to vie for the attention of one teacher.

 

 

 

@Master_Smither: That's no proof at all! For all you know, something with their servers malfunctioned and they're too slow to fix it.

 

 

 

EDIT:

 

 

 

Basically I was curious so I joined a IRC channel they were announcing the servers, seconds later it plummeted to around 20 players in population, I've been skilling several times where I cant move for minutes on end, I get logged out and cant talk because of it.

 

 

 

Did you join another IRC network outside of Tip/SwiftIRC? Because that's how they get you, you know - if they have your IP, they can DoS you all day.

[jonni]

proof they're being ddosed?

 

 

 

Dear players,

 

 

 

We'd like to sincerely apologise for the fact that some of our worlds are offline. We have been forced to take them offline due to a problem at one of our ISPs, Navisite.

 

 

 

The worlds affected:

 

4, 5, 7-9, 13-14, 17, 19, 21-22, 26-30, 37, 42, 47-48, 56, 62, 64, 70, 72, 100, 113.

 

 

 

We are informed that the problem is caused by the ISP's routers being overloaded. It is not a problem with our own systems, or with us having inadequate bandwidth.

 

 

 

Unfortunately, because the problem is caused by limitations of a 3rd party's systems, as opposed to our own, it's out of our control.

 

 

 

We are however working really hard to bring these worlds back online by making use of our other data centres around the world. We are also looking for a more permanent solution, which will probably mean switching to a different ISP. Once again, our sincerest apologies for this disruption.

 

 

 

Mark Gerhard

 

CEO Jagex Ltd.

 

 

 

I read that, nothing there suggests that the servers are being DDOSed. Sounds more like player speculation and a bad ISP.

 

 

 

 

We are informed that the problem is caused by the ISP's routers being overloaded.

 

 

 

this could be taken as a DDOS attack, but again it's really unlikely. For want of a better term, jagex will be using "industrial strength" internet and I'd be very surprised if the routers didn't have sufficient protection against stuff like this.

[Toad]

Okay, where to start...

 

 

 

First, I highly, highly doubt that it was a DDoS that crashed those servers - it was most likely the bad ISP or some other internal issue. Second, any machine that connects to the Internet is instantly weak to a DDoS, doesn't matter if you have a firewall or not. Third, the ISP was unreliable, so yes they're moving - it has nothing to do with DDoSings.

 

 

 

Here's the easy way of how it works: Think of fifty or so kindergarteners trying to vie for the attention of one teacher.

 

 

 

@Master_Smither: That's no proof at all! For all you know, something with their servers malfunctioned and they're too slow to fix it.

 

 

 

In the chat I was in people announced the server they were going to crash seconds later it plummeted to around 50 players in population I swiftly left the chat, around 250 players in the IRC channel, I left not getting involved, I'm just curious as to why they are doing it.

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

In the chat I was in people announced the server they were going to crash seconds later it plummeted to around 50 players in population I swiftly left the chat, around 250 players in the IRC channel, I left not getting involved, I'm just curious as to why they are doing it.

 

Hmm, maybe these people are nothing more than script kiddies who somehow got a hold of a botnet. Only reason that they'd do it to RS would be for "t3h lulz" - no ransom, no rhyme to it, just to cause anarchy.

[Laura]

Okay, where to start...

 

 

 

First, I highly, highly doubt that it was a DDoS that crashed those servers - it was most likely the bad ISP or some other internal issue. Second, any machine that connects to the Internet is instantly weak to a DDoS, doesn't matter if you have a firewall or not. Third, the ISP was unreliable, so yes they're moving - it has nothing to do with DDoSings.

 

 

 

Here's the easy way of how it works: Think of fifty or so kindergarteners trying to vie for the attention of one teacher.

 

 

 

@Master_Smither: That's no proof at all! For all you know, something with their servers malfunctioned and they're too slow to fix it.

 

 

 

In the chat I was in people announced the server they were going to crash seconds later it plummeted to around 50 players in population I swiftly left the chat, around 250 players in the IRC channel, I left not getting involved, I'm just curious as to why they are doing it.

If it is because of a handful of users, it's just because they can.

[Toad]

Well my advice to you all is dont do big monster hunting or PVP lol

[jonni]

Okay, where to start...

 

 

 

First, I highly, highly doubt that it was a DDoS that crashed those servers - it was most likely the bad ISP or some other internal issue. Second, any machine that connects to the Internet is instantly weak to a DDoS, doesn't matter if you have a firewall or not. Third, the ISP was unreliable, so yes they're moving - it has nothing to do with DDoSings.

 

 

 

Here's the easy way of how it works: Think of fifty or so kindergarteners trying to vie for the attention of one teacher.

 

 

 

@Master_Smither: That's no proof at all! For all you know, something with their servers malfunctioned and they're too slow to fix it.

 

 

 

In the chat I was in people announced the server they were going to crash seconds later it plummeted to around 50 players in population I swiftly left the chat, around 250 players in the IRC channel, I left not getting involved, I'm just curious as to why they are doing it.

 

 

 

again I really doubt a bunch of angry runescapers have the capability to drop some servers. I was on one of the offline worlds (22) and it was obvious the server was experiencing difficulties as other players in the area were complaining of lag. On this bases, people could quite easily have claimed X world was going down based on the way it was behaving.

 

And if they are indeed being DDOSed and you know where it is originating from then you should probably tell Jagex lol

[JollySpace]

Because they want to laugh at Jagex. It's probably some angry Runescapers just like the guy who threw a brick at Jagex towers when they removed the wild.

 

 

 

I lol'd so hard at that. :lol:

[Mike_Ike111]

I really don't think DDOS or DOS is a serious issue at all. A part of Jagex' servers are offline at the moment, though they are still able to keep over half of them running. It seems like a pretty good Job on Jagex' part if you ask me, considering the size and mass they are dealing with.

 

 

 

"I think of Jagex first and foremost as a tech company," Gerhard told TechRadar. "We have millions in our community and as a result there is always a subsection of any community that is 'unsavoury' and we are getting in the region of 200,000 denial of service (DoS) attacks a day," he reveals, clearly proud that Jagex's servers are among the most secure in the world.

[Gribbzldinho]

It is not a DDoS attack :lol:

[n64jive]

Okay, where to start...

 

Second, any machine that connects to the Internet is instantly weak to a DDoS, doesn't matter if you have a firewall or not. Third, the ISP was unreliable, so yes they're moving - it has nothing to do with DDoSings.

 

 

 

 

Not entirely true. Multi-threaded networks are more secure to DDoSing. Think of it as a highway. Just because traffic is busy going one way doesn't mean it is the other way. It would take multiple large bandwidth servers to DDoS a Jagex server (judging by the amount of bandwidth they would need to run something as intricate as runescape), which makes me believe that it is something wrong with the ISP's network. However, you can't rule out the posibility of it being a small group of hackers with some pretty expensive servers running on personal internet gateways. (Running through an ISP would surely get you in some deep [cabbage])

[Toad]

A DDoS (Distributed Denial of Service) attack takes a *colossal* amount of resources to pull off; in order to be effective, thousands of infected computers are required. These are called botnets.

 

 

 

Botnets, being totally illegal in virtually every country in the world, are only really owned and operated by significant cyber-criminals, who have no interest in taking the RuneScape servers offline.

 

 

 

What you are suggesting is so extremely unlikely, it's bordering on being a little ridiculous. When Jagex announces that they have been DDoSed, you can say 'told you so'. Until then, you are trying to speak from a position of authority based only on rumour and hearsay, which is serving only to inflame the situation.

 

 

 

I have locked this thread; if Jagex wish to read it and take action, they still can.

 

 

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

It is highly unlikely, but what's causing these mass server outages? I know theres something wrong with the ISP, but couldnt this make them more sensitive than usual? I'm not tech minded, posted this more for discussion value, I was in an IRC channel and moments later the server did crash, could be a total coincidence.

 

 

 

Then again its human nature of fall for hoaxes, such as alien conspiracys if people see a creature they cant explain and shout alien people would probably buy into it.

 

 

 

It's the same with the crashing of items because of an update as we saw days ago, JaGex themselves can't do anything about this and I bet its a high priority to get the techical issues fixed within the next few working days.

[Master_Smither]

A DDoS (Distributed Denial of Service) attack takes a *colossal* amount of resources to pull off; in order to be effective, thousands of infected computers are required. These are called botnets.

 

 

 

Botnets, being totally illegal in virtually every country in the world, are only really owned and operated by significant cyber-criminals, who have no interest in taking the RuneScape servers offline.

 

 

 

What you are suggesting is so extremely unlikely, it's bordering on being a little ridiculous. When Jagex announces that they have been DDoSed, you can say 'told you so'. Until then, you are trying to speak from a position of authority based only on rumour and hearsay, which is serving only to inflame the situation.

 

 

 

I have locked this thread; if Jagex wish to read it and take action, they still can.

 

 

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

It is highly unlikely, but what's causing these mass server outages? I know theres something wrong with the ISP, but couldnt this make them more sensitive than usual? I'm not tech minded, posted this more for discussion value, I was in an IRC channel and moments later the server did crash, could be a total coincidence.

 

 

 

Then again its human nature of fall for hoaxes, such as alien conspiracys if people see a creature they cant explain and shout alien people would probably buy into it.

 

 

 

It's the same with the crashing of items because of an update as we saw days ago, JaGex themselves can't do anything about this and I bet its a high priority to get the techical issues fixed within the next few working days.

 

 

 

That was a post made my Forum mod so it means close to nothing. Of course if the ISP was being DDOS'd I doubt they would tell Jagex that they are that unsecure which could lead in them being dropped as a provider for Jagex. We'll just have to wait and see.

[Toad]

Friend is sat in the IRC channel that is calling worlds, he said world 2, I try login to see if it is happening.

 

 

 

"Performing Log in" "No response from server" *drops to 54 people* they're calling worlds and they're dropping like flies, not sure who is responsible or if its ddosing at all, abit coincidental though.

 

 

 

[Master_Smither]

Friend is sat in the IRC channel that is calling worlds, he said world 2, I try login to see if it is happening.

 

 

 

"Performing Log in" "No response from server" *drops to 54 people* they're calling worlds and they're dropping like flies, not sure who is responsible or if its ddosing at all, abit coincidental though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

They better stay off w44 or I'll come over there and slap them with a trout.

[Toad]

 

They better stay off w44 or I'll come over there and slap them with a trout.

 

 

 

Better stay off my w166 too was going to go solo some TDS but not worth the risk now, it's not the TDS I fear.

 

 

 

Basically a friends sat in the chat listening in, he says one or two guys (he thinks) are doing it and IRC Admins keep closing the channel down for heavy traffic alot of users in those channels, just spamming !World (then the number) just to see if what they are doing is real, It could be a total and utter coincidence though.