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[a_bert]

After reviewing the map quickly, Japan has dispatched a naval fleet to Kenya, carrying our new aircraft carrier and 50,000 of our new troops - somewhat as a training exercise. We do plan on invading the entire country, but carving out a nice little slice.

 

 

 

As seems to be the norm.

 

 

 

They should arrive by the end of the year.

 

Can I use a part of Kenya as a military training base, to prepare troops to defend their homeland and all?

 

 

 

Hell, we should practice attacking together. Like, as one unit. After the initial attack we can do whatever with the land.

[Seraphi]

After reviewing the map quickly, Japan has dispatched a naval fleet to Kenya, carrying our new aircraft carrier and 50,000 of our new troops - somewhat as a training exercise. We do plan on invading the entire country, but carving out a nice little slice.

 

 

 

As seems to be the norm.

 

 

 

They should arrive by the end of the year.

 

Can I use a part of Kenya as a military training base, to prepare troops to defend their homeland and all?

 

 

 

Hell, we should practice attacking together. Like, as one unit. After the initial attack we can do whatever with the land.

 

Works for me.

 

Japan already had some exoskeleton suits that increased the wearers strength, I'm currently looking to modify them for warfare usage.

[Wisp]

The Norway-Brazilian space project is accepting donations. Research would benefit all of mankind, not just our countries. We are currently working on self sustaining modules, and hyper-advanced propulsion systems.

 

In similar news, brazil has launched a satellite for military purposes, as well as a gps one for civilian. We are also working on developing a HVR satellite.

[a_bert]

The Norway-Brazilian space project is accepting donations. Research would benefit all of mankind, not just our countries. We are currently working on self sustaining modules, and hyper-advanced propulsion systems.

 

In similar news, brazil has launched a satellite for military purposes, as well as a gps one for civilian. We are also working on developing a HVR satellite.

 

 

 

Japan will donate $5 million from our research budget. More will follow if results come.

[frakir_staer]

The Norway-Brazilian space project is accepting donations. Research would benefit all of mankind, not just our countries. We are currently working on self sustaining modules, and hyper-advanced propulsion systems.

 

In similar news, brazil has launched a satellite for military purposes, as well as a gps one for civilian. We are also working on developing a HVR satellite.

 

 

 

Venezuela is interested in possibly becoming a junior partner in the Brazil-Norway space project. We recently significantly increased our manufacturing capacity if you would like to subcontract out parts and focus on R&D.

 

[Wisp]

The Norway-Brazilian space project is accepting donations. Research would benefit all of mankind, not just our countries. We are currently working on self sustaining modules, and hyper-advanced propulsion systems.

 

In similar news, brazil has launched a satellite for military purposes, as well as a gps one for civilian. We are also working on developing a HVR satellite.

 

 

 

Venezuela is interested in possibly becoming a junior partner in the Brazil-Norway space project. We recently significantly increased our manufacturing capacity if you would like to subcontract out parts and focus on R&D.

 

 

I'm not sure of Norway's current needs in this product, but the things Brazil needs for our half of the project is the chemicals Deuterium, and Tritium. I suggest people look these up. They cost a lot to make, and Brazil currently does not have the facilities to make them. If anyone could supply us with these would be paid very well. This could also lead the way for fusion power plants.

[frakir_staer]

I don't think very many countries have the facilities need for production of those isotopes, especially at the scale required if you're seriously using that to fuel space exploration. Your best bet would be to try to get in on Iran's Faroe Island project.

[Wisp]

We have our own similar project, though it's a bit more secretive. We just figure if someone has the facilities to produce them, it would be easier than spending several years building our own facilities.

[a_bert]

We have our own similar project, though it's a bit more secretive. We just figure if someone has the facilities to produce them, it would be easier than spending several years building our own facilities.

 

 

 

As per this article, Argentina, Canada, India, and Norway can all produce Heavy Water.

 

 

 

Heavy water is water that contains a higher proportion than normal of the isotope deuterium, as deuterium oxide, D2O or ²H2O, or as deuterium protium oxide, HDO or ¹H²[garden tool]

 

 

 

So if you didn't know about it and you're leader of those countries, bam, there you go ;)

 

 

 

EDIT: After further reading on Wikipedia, it seems that Iran, Pakistan, Romania, France and the US are also all producers.

[Wisp]

We have our own similar project, though it's a bit more secretive. We just figure if someone has the facilities to produce them, it would be easier than spending several years building our own facilities.

 

 

 

As per this article, Argentina, Canada, India, and Norway can all produce Heavy Water.

 

 

 

Heavy water is water that contains a higher proportion than normal of the isotope deuterium, as deuterium oxide, D2O or ²H2O, or as deuterium protium oxide, HDO or ¹H²[garden tool]

 

 

 

So if you didn't know about it and you're leader of those countries, bam, there you go ;)

 

Ok, I'll just assume norway will make it for me since they are our partners. Can you work any of that research magic on who can produce tritium?

[indy500fan]

Norway at the moment could use scientists (engineers, botanists, astrophysicists, ect...) and funding. Resources are not much of a problem. The main point of my research is to create modules which completely recycle everything that is used in it, to allow very very extended periods without having to replenish supplies.

 

 

 

While millions of dollars definitely help, space projects are very expensive. To put it in perspective the International Space Station is said to cost anywhere from $30 to $100 billion dollars. Not only are the projects our coalition are working on much more advanced (and therefore costly), but the final result will be much much bigger out of necessity.

 

 

 

Brazil will have to verify this, but I am guessing overall project cost at somewhere around $300 billion. Now this cost will be spread out over many years.

 

 

 

I am proposing 24 modules at a construction cost of around $6 billion a piece. We have to do the initial research and development, which will probably take the rest of this year and all of the next, plus cost around $10billion. Money during that time would be appreciated. The interest on my sovereign wealth fund can cover it, but it would better if others also helped fund. After the initial development is done, any nation who wishes to construct a module can, the plans will be provided. It would take around a year for a team to build a module, and cost the aforementioned $6billion. If you don't want to put up that much you can pool resources with other countries to build a module.

 

 

 

After the modules are built, Brazil will almost definitely have finished their half of the project and I am guessing a year or two of construction putting it all together before the project is finished.

[a_bert]

We have our own similar project, though it's a bit more secretive. We just figure if someone has the facilities to produce them, it would be easier than spending several years building our own facilities.

 

 

 

As per this article, Argentina, Canada, India, and Norway can all produce Heavy Water.

 

 

 

Heavy water is water that contains a higher proportion than normal of the isotope deuterium, as deuterium oxide, D2O or ²H2O, or as deuterium protium oxide, HDO or ¹H²[garden tool]

 

 

 

So if you didn't know about it and you're leader of those countries, bam, there you go ;)

 

Ok, I'll just assume norway will make it for me since they are our partners. Can you work any of that research magic on who can produce tritium?

 

 

 

According to wikipedia;

 

 

 

Production of large amounts of tritium in this way would require reactors with very high neutron fluxes, or with a very high proportion of heavy water to nuclear fuel and very low neutron absorption by other reactor material. The tritium would then have to be recovered by isotope separation from a much larger quantity of deuterium, unlike tritium production from lithium-6 (the present method of tritium production), where only chemical separation is needed.

 

 

 

According to this article;

 

 

 

All five declared nuclear weapon states must have the underlying capability to manufacture and handle tritium, although the United States has shut down its production reactors due to safety considerations. Canada manufactures tritium as a byproduct of the operation of CANDU reactors. In principle, limited amounts of tritium could be made in any research reactor with the ability to accept a target to be irradiated.

 

 

 

So presumably, you could either work on modifying the plants in Norway, or you could work out some kind of deal with Canada.

 

 

 

EDIT: After realising I misread Japan's research budget, (I thought it was a measly 150 million. Turns out it's 130 billion.) I can afford to up the amount I've donated to 500 million.

[indy500fan]

@doom, yes Norway will provide heavy water. Hopefully during R&D we get that much closer to cold fusion being a reality. If I wasn't using almost all of my nations extra resources on the space project then it would be for cold fusion.

[Giordano]

Argentina has shipped off 30,000 troops, 30 tanks, and 50 jeeps and other quick-military transports over to Gabon, Africa. One of our aircraft carriers, two submarines, and three battleships escorted this army. We intend to set up a naval blockcade of the capital (Libreville) as our troops land south and move their way north to the capital. The landing went according to plan and our forces should capture the city of Port Gentil in a few days. I have promised the government fair and equal rights under no discrimination of political, national, or racial background if they surrender to my forces. We are still awaiting a response.

 

 

 

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[frakir_staer]

Construction of this happens in space right? That's the only practical way to put something that big in the sky. Depending on the size of a module and your shuttle, you can put to module together on the ground, but hooking them up happens in space. Also, after it's up and running, it should become the base for all intra- and inter-stellar launches. Save a lot of fuel by not having to get out of Earth's gravity well for each and every launch.

 

 

 

Actually, something like this would be pretty ideal if you're getting serious about space.

[indy500fan]

While space elevators would be awesome they aren't possible using existing materials. Carbon nano-tubes need to be about 4 times stronger (as well as being able to be longer) to be able to achieve a space elevator.

 

 

 

Yes, construction will have to happen in space.

[a_bert]

@Nick, When were those troops dispatched? I don't remember reading that.

 

 

 

Also, nice map, but I'm the wrong colour in your key :P

 

 

 

EDIT: Also, I think it's more reasonable if China isn't "gone" but as I suggested a few pages ago, has fallen into such anarchy that for a few years (say 10) at least, it would be suicide to enter the country where tens of military groups are vying for power.

[Wisp]

Norway at the moment could use scientists (engineers, botanists, astrophysicists, ect...) and funding. Resources are not much of a problem. The main point of my research is to create modules which completely recycle everything that is used in it, to allow very very extended periods without having to replenish supplies.

 

 

 

While millions of dollars definitely help, space projects are very expensive. To put it in perspective the International Space Station is said to cost anywhere from $30 to $100 billion dollars. Not only are the projects our coalition are working on much more advanced (and therefore costly), but the final result will be much much bigger out of necessity.

 

 

 

Brazil will have to verify this, but I am guessing overall project cost at somewhere around $300 billion. Now this cost will be spread out over many years.

 

 

 

I am proposing 24 modules at a construction cost of around $6 billion a piece. We have to do the initial research and development, which will probably take the rest of this year and all of the next, plus cost around $10billion. Money during that time would be appreciated. The interest on my sovereign wealth fund can cover it, but it would better if others also helped fund. After the initial development is done, any nation who wishes to construct a module can, the plans will be provided. It would take around a year for a team to build a module, and cost the aforementioned $6billion. If you don't want to put up that much you can pool resources with other countries to build a module.

 

 

 

After the modules are built, Brazil will almost definitely have finished their half of the project and I am guessing a year or two of construction putting it all together before the project is finished.

 

 

 

It may cost even more than $300 billion. But to put things in perspective, in pre-game times, the US made nearly 15 trillion a year, China 4 and a half trillion, Japan made almost 5 trillion, Russia made 1.7, and Brazil clocks in at 1.6 trillion. Norway makes around 500 billion a year as well (pre-game). Since the game's started I would estimate that brazil's gdp is closing in on 2 trillion, or has just reached it. With the boost in price with Nopec, I imagine Norway makes atleast 550 now.

 

 

 

If we can get all of these countries to donate 50-100 billion, the project will be very plausible.

 

 

 

 

 

The construction and research of propulsion systems will probably take place in Brazil or on one of our colonies.

 

 

 

EDIT: and for china, how about this. A new leader has taken over that cannot be overthrown, and who cuts all ties with people made in this game. He continues trading with countries that he traded with in real life. This way, the world economy won't be destroyed.

[a_bert]

@Doom, what values are we using for billion and trillions here?

 

 

 

In Britain, our billion is one digit smaller than the American one (At least, I think so?). I decided to work as 1,000 million is 1 billion, as I think that's the norm. Going by this, is 1,000 billion 1 trillion?

 

 

 

Sorry for newbiness!

 

 

 

EDIT: I prefer your (Doom) idea about China.

 

 

 

FURTHERMORE:

 

 

 

With a space elevator, materials might be sent into orbit at a fraction of the current cost. As of 2000, conventional rocket designs cost about $11,000 per kilogram for transfer to low earth or geostationary orbit. [47] Current proposals envision payload prices starting as low as $220 per kilogram[48]. Philip Ragan, co-author of the book "Leaving the Planet by Space Elevator", states that "The first country to deploy a space elevator will have a 95 per cent cost advantage and could potentially control all space activities."

 

 

 

It's plausible that the cost could be dramatically reduced (and perhaps the process even sped up) if instead of working on a space shuttle/station/whatever, a space elevator was set up first. However, the research needed for this.. would be huge

 

 

 

Current technology is not capable of manufacturing practical engineering materials that are sufficiently strong and light to build an Earth based space elevator. The primary issue is that the total mass of conventional materials needed to construct such a structure would be far too great.

 

 

 

(All info taken from Wiki though, so yeah.)

[frakir_staer]

While space elevators would be awesome they aren't possible using existing materials. Carbon nano-tubes need to be about 4 times stronger (as well as being able to be longer) to be able to achieve a space elevator.

 

 

 

 

Or use diamond. (See 3001: The Final Odyssey.)

 

 

 

This isn't real life. Just set some resources aside to research it, wait a day or two, and hey presto! Stronger nanotubes.

 

 

 

EDIT: Dugeonal, 1 billion US is 1 000 000 000 and 1 trillion is 1 000 000 000 000

[Wisp]

@Doom, what values are we using for billion and trillions here?

 

 

 

In Britain, our billion is one digit smaller than the American one (At least, I think so?). I decided to work as 1,000 million is 1 billion, as I think that's the norm. Going by this, is 1,000 billion 1 trillion?

 

 

 

Sorry for newbiness!

 

 

 

EDIT: I prefer your (Doom) idea about China.

 

Yeah, that's how it works. Also all values are in USD.

[indy500fan]

I didn't want to assume too much money and scare people away, originally I even had $500 billion as the number. However I just drew my modules (in paint!) and when I think about the project I don't think 24 will be enough. I think it should be doubled to 48. I think the costs that I put were close.

 

 

 

So just the module part will cost $10 billion in R&D plus 48*6=$288billion for the modules. Then we have the cost of Brazil's entire half of the project. Then we have the cost to get them into space, and assemble them.

 

 

 

@Doom, what values are we using for billion and trillions here?

 

 

 

In Britain, our billion is one digit smaller than the American one (At least, I think so?). I decided to work as 1,000 million is 1 billion, as I think that's the norm. Going by this, is 1,000 billion 1 trillion?

 

 

 

Sorry for newbiness!

 

 

 

Yeah, that does get confusing. Stephen Hawking usually says everything in millions (he will say a thousand million, which is 1,000,000,000, the same for both countries, it is just called billion here in the US)

 

 

 

While space elevators would be awesome they aren't possible using existing materials. Carbon nano-tubes need to be about 4 times stronger (as well as being able to be longer) to be able to achieve a space elevator.

 

 

 

 

Or use diamond. (See 3001: The Final Odyssey.)

 

 

 

This isn't real life. Just set some resources aside to research it, wait a day or two, and hey presto! Stronger nanotubes.

 

 

 

Yeah 3001 is an awesome book, just like the entire series. However diamonds are not even as strong as carbon nanotubes.

[Giordano]

@Nick, When were those troops dispatched? I don't remember reading that.

 

 

 

Also, nice map, but I'm the wrong colour in your key :P

 

 

 

EDIT: Also, I think it's more reasonable if China isn't "gone" but as I suggested a few pages ago, has fallen into such anarchy that for a few years (say 10) at least, it would be suicide to enter the country where tens of military groups are vying for power.

 

They were depatched in my update. Crossing the Atlantic took a few days (minutes) and we just landed. Most of the campaign was the plan and not yet completed. It would take more weeks (hours) until we captured both Port Gentil and Libreville.

 

 

 

Er, you wouldn't mind being that colour until the next update? I don't want to re-save and resize the map again. :(

 

 

 

Yeah, I don't like the idea of a country being completely wiped out. *cough*Mexico*cough*. I think when somebody quits the game, the country goes back to it's real life status with some things from the old regime until somebody else wants to play that country (coup, a government rose from the anarchy, etc) or gets conquered.

[a_bert]

Thanks for clearing that up guys.

 

 

 

@Nick, I only said it because I'm the same colour on the key as Iran. It's not a big deal, but potentially confusing to someone.

 

 

 

EDIT: Also, I'm SURE that's the TF2 font. If so, I commend ye.

[Wisp]

The basic technology is already there for propulsion, we're just greatly improving upon it, and making it safer. I think we should be able to fund most of the research, as, in the long run it could give us a profit with fusion reactors, we're willing to put out as much as we can without going into debt, however, which is at the moment, around 112 billion USD. That should fund atleast half our side of the project, if not all of it.