Grim_ Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 So, he's gone from the game, you rule all his st00f now? We're grateful, but you may need to ask for some aid now, Hex left you a pretty big mess to clean up. And he's not trolling, he's just 8 years old. hex can still claim he escaped, and could potentially be under the protection of Mather. So he's not nesesarily booted, but he is pretty much left with nothing. As for me controlling his land? I can't control rebels, and I have no buisness doing so. Like I said, they live in a state of anarchy. It's up to them to organize it, I'm not dealing with that crap.So would you mind if I tried to help set up a stable government? I think we will be hailed as bringers of freedom and democracy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpgGamer Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 So, he's gone from the game, you rule all his st00f now? We're grateful, but you may need to ask for some aid now, Hex left you a pretty big mess to clean up. And he's not trolling, he's just 8 years old. hex can still claim he escaped, and could potentially be under the protection of Mather. So he's not nesesarily booted, but he is pretty much left with nothing. As for me controlling his land? I can't control rebels, and I have no buisness doing so. Like I said, they live in a state of anarchy. It's up to them to organize it, I'm not dealing with that crap.So would you mind if I tried to help set up a stable government? I think we will be hailed as bringers of freedom and democracy...Well, technically he rules the country, he doesn't act as ruler. He could continue to play, just as the rebel's leader. Rocco, your comment confuses me.The rebels are fighting Hex's rule. Why would Hex have control over them? They aren't recognized as his people anymore. @Grim - Be my guest, but I want no part of it. Rebels have a tendency to never be happy with their government. And i really don't want a planet that close to Mather's (even though the location would be convenient). I don't like having a whole planet to myself. Makes me paraniod. Quote Quote Anyone who likes tacos is incapable of logic. Anyone who likes logic is incapable of tacos. PSA: SaqPrets is an Estonian Dude Steam: NippleBeardTM Origin: Brand_New_iPwn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim_ Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 [hide]So, he's gone from the game, you rule all his st00f now? We're grateful, but you may need to ask for some aid now, Hex left you a pretty big mess to clean up. And he's not trolling, he's just 8 years old. hex can still claim he escaped, and could potentially be under the protection of Mather. So he's not nesesarily booted, but he is pretty much left with nothing. As for me controlling his land? I can't control rebels, and I have no buisness doing so. Like I said, they live in a state of anarchy. It's up to them to organize it, I'm not dealing with that crap.So would you mind if I tried to help set up a stable government? I think we will be hailed as bringers of freedom and democracy...Well, technically he rules the country, he doesn't act as ruler. He could continue to play, just as the rebel's leader. Rocco, your comment confuses me.The rebels are fighting Hex's rule. Why would Hex have control over them? They aren't recognized as his people anymore. @Grim - Be my guest, but I want no part of it. Rebels have a tendency to never be happy with their government. And i really don't want a planet that close to Mather's (even though the location would be convenient). I don't like having a whole planet to myself. Makes me paraniod.[/hide]I think I will wait a couple years before the main fighting dies down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim_ Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 [hide]So, he's gone from the game, you rule all his st00f now? We're grateful, but you may need to ask for some aid now, Hex left you a pretty big mess to clean up. And he's not trolling, he's just 8 years old. hex can still claim he escaped, and could potentially be under the protection of Mather. So he's not nesesarily booted, but he is pretty much left with nothing. As for me controlling his land? I can't control rebels, and I have no buisness doing so. Like I said, they live in a state of anarchy. It's up to them to organize it, I'm not dealing with that crap.So would you mind if I tried to help set up a stable government? I think we will be hailed as bringers of freedom and democracy...Well, technically he rules the country, he doesn't act as ruler. He could continue to play, just as the rebel's leader. Rocco, your comment confuses me.The rebels are fighting Hex's rule. Why would Hex have control over them? They aren't recognized as his people anymore. @Grim - Be my guest, but I want no part of it. Rebels have a tendency to never be happy with their government. And i really don't want a planet that close to Mather's (even though the location would be convenient). I don't like having a whole planet to myself. Makes me paraniod.Let's say you made the rebellion against me. I'm not actually playing as my emperor. My countries emperor hasn't even been given a name. If you made a rebellion in my country, I'd continue to play just as the rebel leader. And how does giving people guns cause a rebellion to begin?[/hide]He was enslaving people and using them for their heat energy... He tells them about this and gives them guns you do the math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpgGamer Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 So, he's gone from the game, you rule all his st00f now? We're grateful, but you may need to ask for some aid now, Hex left you a pretty big mess to clean up. And he's not trolling, he's just 8 years old. hex can still claim he escaped, and could potentially be under the protection of Mather. So he's not nesesarily booted, but he is pretty much left with nothing. As for me controlling his land? I can't control rebels, and I have no buisness doing so. Like I said, they live in a state of anarchy. It's up to them to organize it, I'm not dealing with that crap.So would you mind if I tried to help set up a stable government? I think we will be hailed as bringers of freedom and democracy...Well, technically he rules the country, he doesn't act as ruler. He could continue to play, just as the rebel's leader. Rocco, your comment confuses me.The rebels are fighting Hex's rule. Why would Hex have control over them? They aren't recognized as his people anymore. @Grim - Be my guest, but I want no part of it. Rebels have a tendency to never be happy with their government. And i really don't want a planet that close to Mather's (even though the location would be convenient). I don't like having a whole planet to myself. Makes me paraniod.Let's say you made the rebellion against me. I'm not actually playing as my emperor. My countries emperor hasn't even been given a name. If you made a rebellion in my country, I'd continue to play just as the rebel leader. And how does giving people guns cause a rebellion to begin? Hex was running his country with slave labour if I remember correctly. Him and Doom had a minor tiff about it and how he only has 1 guard per like 50,000 people. Then she said somehitng like "they could think 1 guard to death" so then he upped the ratio to 50 people per guard. This means that the poeple under Hex's rule were slaves. Slaves tend to hate their government. He also restricted their rights, worked them hard, and didn't let them near weaponry. That's where I came in. I swooped in, gave his slaves weapons, and BAM instant rebellion.And it wouldn't make much sense to play as the rebels fightnig your country, unless you yourself started the rebellion (like Trol did). If I instigate riots through out Hex's people, a third party is supposed to play as the rebels (as Doom did during the Kazhikia rebellion). I think it was grim that volunteered. I just figured that even an "NPC" rebel would have the common sense to overthrow Hex's week government policies. Quote Quote Anyone who likes tacos is incapable of logic. Anyone who likes logic is incapable of tacos. PSA: SaqPrets is an Estonian Dude Steam: NippleBeardTM Origin: Brand_New_iPwn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim_ Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 [hide]So, he's gone from the game, you rule all his st00f now? We're grateful, but you may need to ask for some aid now, Hex left you a pretty big mess to clean up. And he's not trolling, he's just 8 years old. hex can still claim he escaped, and could potentially be under the protection of Mather. So he's not nesesarily booted, but he is pretty much left with nothing. As for me controlling his land? I can't control rebels, and I have no buisness doing so. Like I said, they live in a state of anarchy. It's up to them to organize it, I'm not dealing with that crap.So would you mind if I tried to help set up a stable government? I think we will be hailed as bringers of freedom and democracy...Well, technically he rules the country, he doesn't act as ruler. He could continue to play, just as the rebel's leader. Rocco, your comment confuses me.The rebels are fighting Hex's rule. Why would Hex have control over them? They aren't recognized as his people anymore. @Grim - Be my guest, but I want no part of it. Rebels have a tendency to never be happy with their government. And i really don't want a planet that close to Mather's (even though the location would be convenient). I don't like having a whole planet to myself. Makes me paraniod.Let's say you made the rebellion against me. I'm not actually playing as my emperor. My countries emperor hasn't even been given a name. If you made a rebellion in my country, I'd continue to play just as the rebel leader. And how does giving people guns cause a rebellion to begin? Hex was running his country with slave labour if I remember correctly. Him and Doom had a minor tiff about it and how he only has 1 guard per like 50,000 people. Then she said somehitng like "they could think 1 guard to death" so then he upped the ratio to 50 people per guard. This means that the poeple under Hex's rule were slaves. Slaves tend to hate their government. He also restricted their rights, worked them hard, and didn't let them near weaponry. That's where I came in. I swooped in, gave his slaves weapons, and BAM instant rebellion.And it wouldn't make much sense to play as the rebels fightnig your country, unless you yourself started the rebellion (like Trol did). If I instigate riots through out Hex's people, a third party is supposed to play as the rebels (as Doom did during the Kazhikia rebellion). I think it was grim that volunteered. I just figured that even an "NPC" rebel would have the common sense to overthrow Hex's week government policies.[/hide]Okay then I'm gonna say that I have a roughly 10-1 force advantage and thanks to the malaysian government I have land based ion cannons. as well as ion enplacement on my stronghold. We are currently scattering saboteurs across the remains of Hex's government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Lord Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 [hide=Most recent map of Earth][/hide] Here is the most recent map of Earth. In the future, can you guys please use this map when editing? ---- EDIT: Guys, for [bleep] sake. USE THE DAMN WAR MECHANIC! It doesn't matter if it's a minor battle, a battle between the strongest empire and the tiniest country, or a rebellion. The war mechanic is absolutely necessary! Even though I don't like Hex, I still agree that the war mechanic should be used. SWAG Mayn U wanna be like me but U can't be me cuz U ain't got ma swagga on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim_ Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Shouldn't you at least wait for Doom's approval on this before deciding a war strategy?Err why do we need someones approval who is not directly involved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpgGamer Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Heh, thanks for the updated name, Sere. I do have a flag on the first page, but we can worry about that later. Grim, not to throw a stick into this operation, but when did you even send ships to Hex's system? Mine have been there for almost a decade. shortly after Ross's arrived.EDIT: Hex has had a chance to retaliate and hasn't. This rebellions been going on for a good 5 years now. He's posted like 8 times knowing full well that a rebellion was going on, but he decided to say "nah, it's not actually happening" and thn proceeded to ignore all further posts on the subject. *also like to point out that Ross is the first person I've ever "siggied". unrelated, but I figured I'd mention it. Quote Quote Anyone who likes tacos is incapable of logic. Anyone who likes logic is incapable of tacos. PSA: SaqPrets is an Estonian Dude Steam: NippleBeardTM Origin: Brand_New_iPwn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim_ Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Heh, thanks for the updated name, Sere. I do have a flag on the first page, but we can worry about that later. Grim, not to throw a stick into this operation, but when did you even send ships to Hex's system? Mine have been there for almost a decade. shortly after Ross's arrived.I sent them there and then left before dusty had arrived... Though not before leaving several beacons. Also would it be possible to use a warp drive for ftl communication?@sere alright I will use the war mechanic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpgGamer Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Heh, thanks for the updated name, Sere. I do have a flag on the first page, but we can worry about that later. Grim, not to throw a stick into this operation, but when did you even send ships to Hex's system? Mine have been there for almost a decade. shortly after Ross's arrived.I sent them there and then left before dusty had arrived... Though not before leaving several beacons. Also would it be possible to use a warp drive for ftl communication?@sere alright I will use the war mechanic... Told you those beacons would come in handy. I don't quite understand how FTL can be applied to communication though. And what war mechanic? I'm unaware of any new method of warfare we may have come up with. Quote Quote Anyone who likes tacos is incapable of logic. Anyone who likes logic is incapable of tacos. PSA: SaqPrets is an Estonian Dude Steam: NippleBeardTM Origin: Brand_New_iPwn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim_ Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Heh, thanks for the updated name, Sere. I do have a flag on the first page, but we can worry about that later. Grim, not to throw a stick into this operation, but when did you even send ships to Hex's system? Mine have been there for almost a decade. shortly after Ross's arrived.I sent them there and then left before dusty had arrived... Though not before leaving several beacons. Also would it be possible to use a warp drive for ftl communication?@sere alright I will use the war mechanic... Told you those beacons would come in handy. I don't quite understand how FTL can be applied to communication though. And what war mechanic? I'm unaware of any new method of warfare we may have come up with.Never mind though we do need a method of ftl communication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Lord Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 And what war mechanic? I'm unaware of any new method of warfare we may have come up with. The war mechanic is based around a random number generator. It was introduced a month or two ago by Ross_the_Knight, but it still has kinks that need to be worked out. Yes, Hex will still lose, but it will at least show the casualties. However, I'm afraid that only Ross truly knows how it works, so we'll have to wait for him to do it for us, I guess. @Grim: There already is FTL communication. It is currently 100x the speed of light, I believe. SWAG Mayn U wanna be like me but U can't be me cuz U ain't got ma swagga on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpgGamer Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 And what war mechanic? I'm unaware of any new method of warfare we may have come up with. The war mechanic is based around a random number generator. It was introduced a month or two ago by Ross_the_Knight, but it still has kinks that need to be worked out. Yes, Hex will still lose, but it will at least show the casualties. However, I'm afraid that only Ross truly knows how it works, so we'll have to wait for him to do it for us, I guess. There'd be moer infrastructure damage than casualties, I would think. Plus, how do you calculate the odds to put into the RandInt function to even go through the formula? I can attempt to figure it out, but there's no way to predict every last dollar of damage caused. And I really doubt nothing would happen. The way I see it, is that Hex controls 1/50th of his population. hIs popluation was a few 100mil I believe. Lets assume that 75mil are slaves so that there are 1.5mil guards. This leaves pop room for the elderly and the children. Of those 75mil slabes, roughly 40mil were equipped with a high grade weapon (assualt rifles and the like). The rest were just hardcore protesters. Some protesters may have had access to pipe bombs, and homemade TNT. Even with the 20+mil unarmed slaves, and the slaves that wouldn't rebel...that's still a near 1 v. 25 fight in a balanced warzone. By my calculations, Hex loses control of all but his elderly, a few children, some guards, and maybe a few million slaves. Damage to infrastructure and lost research from lab bombings is completely unable to be calculated though. Quote Quote Anyone who likes tacos is incapable of logic. Anyone who likes logic is incapable of tacos. PSA: SaqPrets is an Estonian Dude Steam: NippleBeardTM Origin: Brand_New_iPwn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasignhagj Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Hex's pop shouldn't be higher than 20 mil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul191600 Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 And what war mechanic? I'm unaware of any new method of warfare we may have come up with. The war mechanic is based around a random number generator. It was introduced a month or two ago by Ross_the_Knight, but it still has kinks that need to be worked out. Yes, Hex will still lose, but it will at least show the casualties. However, I'm afraid that only Ross truly knows how it works, so we'll have to wait for him to do it for us, I guess. There'd be moer infrastructure damage than casualties, I would think. Plus, how do you calculate the odds to put into the RandInt function to even go through the formula? I can attempt to figure it out, but there's no way to predict every last dollar of damage caused. And I really doubt nothing would happen.The way I see it, is that Hex controls 1/50th of his population. hIs popluation was a few 100mil I believe. Lets assume that 75mil are slaves so that there are 1.5mil guards. This leaves pop room for the elderly and the children. Of those 75mil slabes, roughly 40mil were equipped with a high grade weapon (assualt rifles and the like). The rest were just hardcore protesters. Some protesters may have had access to pipe bombs, and homemade TNT. Even with the 20+mil unarmed slaves, and the slaves that wouldn't rebel...that's still a near 1 v. 25 fight in a balanced warzone. By my calculations, Hex loses control of all but his elderly, a few children, some guards, and maybe a few million slaves. Damage to infrastructure and lost research from lab bombings is completely unable to be calculated though.First off, how does Hex have a hundred million people? I only have 30mil-ish, but I've been around for a while. Also, wouldn't his gaurds notice weapons being smuggled into the cities? The sour dough of the epitmous pie hungers for another's sweet lips to be dulled into a state of most irreverant humblenessTUBULAR BELLS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeon_ Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Paul, don't take Unoph, it's mine. :) Many believe that the 1980 eruption of Mt. Saint Helens was a catostrophic geological event, in reality it was the day that Jimi Hendrix returned to Earth from the next world and actually stood up next to a mountain and chopped it down with the edge of his hand.-Random Youtuber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul191600 Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Paul, don't take Unoph, it's mine. :)Lol I was actually thinking of getting around to colonising it eventually, but of course I'll leave it for a new player :thumbsup: The sour dough of the epitmous pie hungers for another's sweet lips to be dulled into a state of most irreverant humblenessTUBULAR BELLS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Mather1 Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 In excel, how do you make a sun which adds a figure?Your planet has fallen into a state of anarchy. You no longer control your planet. It's gone through 4, near 5 years of rebellion. You'd be dead by now. Or have fled the solar system. This just proves my point from page 90.Too bad you just got owned by the way he set up his cities at the very beginning, based on a religius foundation commonly accepted by all sivilian and controlled by his governement. His capital far away from the other cities, protected by a massive wall. Also why would his people rebell? He never did anything that harmed the majority of them, he even made schools. He pretended to be a god, and in doing that he insured himself that a rebelion would take tens if not houndreds of years, in which time he would have fixed it by wiping out all rebels and thus gaining even better trust among his people.. Twitter: @TheMather1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VEGHATERMEATLOVER Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 My people didn't rebel because they had weapons.I'll bring this salary thing up later. And you can't instantly come to a planet rpg. My pop isn't over 20 mil?? Rpg, there are no slaves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim_ Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 In excel, how do you make a sun which adds a figure?Your planet has fallen into a state of anarchy. You no longer control your planet. It's gone through 4, near 5 years of rebellion. You'd be dead by now. Or have fled the solar system. This just proves my point from page 90.Too bad you just got owned by the way he set up his cities at the very beginning, based on a religious foundation commonly accepted by all civilian and controlled by his government. His capital far away from the other cities, protected by a massive wall. Also why would his people rebel? He never did anything that harmed the majority of them, he even made schools. He pretended to be a god, and in doing that he insured himself that a rebellion would take tens if not hundreds of years, in which time he would have fixed it by wiping out all rebels and thus gaining even better trust among his people..He was locking up humans and using them for thermal energy... You have the government do that and tell the people about it after arming them and they are going to rebel. :smile:Also you cant say ohh I'm getting destroyed by rebels but they cant because I am their god... The people will rebel against a "god" that will bring destruction to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Mather1 Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 In excel, how do you make a sun which adds a figure?Your planet has fallen into a state of anarchy. You no longer control your planet. It's gone through 4, near 5 years of rebellion. You'd be dead by now. Or have fled the solar system. This just proves my point from page 90.Too bad you just got owned by the way he set up his cities at the very beginning, based on a religious foundation commonly accepted by all civilian and controlled by his government. His capital far away from the other cities, protected by a massive wall. Also why would his people rebel? He never did anything that harmed the majority of them, he even made schools. He pretended to be a god, and in doing that he insured himself that a rebellion would take tens if not hundreds of years, in which time he would have fixed it by wiping out all rebels and thus gaining even better trust among his people..He was locking up humans and using them for thermal energy... You have the government do that and tell the people about it after arming them and they are going to rebel. :smile:Also you cant say ohh I'm getting destroyed by rebels but they cant because I their god... The people will rebel against a "god" that will bring destruction to them.Those people would have no idea what to do with him, they would be scared to rebel because they had knows Hex as a god all their lives and then gets to know he uses some of their to power new schools for them after giving them guns, most likely they would think their god was just developemently delayed. Twitter: @TheMather1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VEGHATERMEATLOVER Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 (edited) In excel, how do you make a sun which adds a figure?Your planet has fallen into a state of anarchy. You no longer control your planet. It's gone through 4, near 5 years of rebellion. You'd be dead by now. Or have fled the solar system. This just proves my point from page 90.Too bad you just got owned by the way he set up his cities at the very beginning, based on a religious foundation commonly accepted by all civilian and controlled by his government. His capital far away from the other cities, protected by a massive wall. Also why would his people rebel? He never did anything that harmed the majority of them, he even made schools. He pretended to be a god, and in doing that he insured himself that a rebellion would take tens if not hundreds of years, in which time he would have fixed it by wiping out all rebels and thus gaining even better trust among his people..He was locking up humans and using them for thermal energy... You have the government do that and tell the people about it after arming them and they are going to rebel. :smile:Also you cant say ohh I'm getting destroyed by rebels but they cant because I am their god... The people will rebel against a "god" that will bring destruction to them. Edited October 23, 2009 by Hextriplet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim_ Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 In excel, how do you make a sun which adds a figure?Your planet has fallen into a state of anarchy. You no longer control your planet. It's gone through 4, near 5 years of rebellion. You'd be dead by now. Or have fled the solar system. This just proves my point from page 90.Too bad you just got owned by the way he set up his cities at the very beginning, based on a religious foundation commonly accepted by all civilian and controlled by his government. His capital far away from the other cities, protected by a massive wall. Also why would his people rebel? He never did anything that harmed the majority of them, he even made schools. He pretended to be a god, and in doing that he insured himself that a rebellion would take tens if not hundreds of years, in which time he would have fixed it by wiping out all rebels and thus gaining even better trust among his people..He was locking up humans and using them for thermal energy... You have the government do that and tell the people about it after arming them and they are going to rebel. :smile:Also you cant say ohh I'm getting destroyed by rebels but they cant because I their god... The people will rebel against a "god" that will bring destruction to them.Those people would have no idea what to do with him, they would be scared to rebel because they had knows Hex as a god all their lives and then gets to know he uses some of their to power new schools for them after giving them guns, most likely they would think their god was just developemently delayed.So if i locked you in a plant for power would your family be pissed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim_ Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 [hide]In excel, how do you make a sun which adds a figure?Your planet has fallen into a state of anarchy. You no longer control your planet. It's gone through 4, near 5 years of rebellion. You'd be dead by now. Or have fled the solar system. This just proves my point from page 90.Too bad you just got owned by the way he set up his cities at the very beginning, based on a religious foundation commonly accepted by all civilian and controlled by his government. His capital far away from the other cities, protected by a massive wall. Also why would his people rebel? He never did anything that harmed the majority of them, he even made schools. He pretended to be a god, and in doing that he insured himself that a rebellion would take tens if not hundreds of years, in which time he would have fixed it by wiping out all rebels and thus gaining even better trust among his people..He was locking up humans and using them for thermal energy... You have the government do that and tell the people about it after arming them and they are going to rebel. :smile:Also you cant say ohh I'm getting destroyed by rebels but they cant because I their god... The people will rebel against a "god" that will bring destruction to them.Those people would have no idea what to do with him, they would be scared to rebel because they had knows Hex as a god all their lives and then gets to know he uses some of their to power new schools for them after giving them guns, most likely they would think their god was just developemently delayed.So if i locked you in a plant for power would your family be pissed?Not if I had been hypnotized from birth that it was the only way to a better life.[/hide]A better life in which you spend most of your time sedated with a tube stuck up you mouth and [wagon] ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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