Fighter torso

[MiniCale]

Is fighter torso worth it?

 

 

 

I am 70 defence and are thinking about getting fighter torso but is it worth the effort and time to get it?

 

or should i just use torags plate or save up for bandos plate?

 

 

 

Please help me decide

[The_Gabe]

It's worth it.

[aspeeder]

It's only worth using if you already have it, or if you like BA and get it as a result. BTW, this probably belongs in Help & Advice.

[MiniCale]

It's only worth using if you already have it, or if you like BA and get it as a result. BTW, this probably belongs in Help & Advice.

 

yeah.. too late now though

[Kasalisk]

No its not, I think it was Compfreak who did that math and it showed that unless your getting like 152M+ xp its not worth the time.

[Lordcannicus]

I wear it for the looks!

[Kiriyama]

No its not, I think it was Compfreak who did that math and it showed that unless your getting like 152M+ xp its not worth the time.

 

viewtopic.php?f=12&t=777290&hilit=Fighter+Torso&start=0

 

 

 

There's the thread with the math.

 

 

 

I was looking for the numbers once, so I've bookmarked that thread.

[sparky1_2007]

i love the way it looks, and it's free, i would rather use the 15m or w/e on a BCP for something else, although a BCP is more useful for GWD because of the no negative magic defence and stuff, but thats about it.

[mister_moocky]

If you like barbarian assault, yes. If you do not, no.

[Troacctid]

i love the way it looks, and it's free, i would rather use the 15m or w/e on a BCP for something else, although a BCP is more useful for GWD because of the no negative magic defence and stuff, but thats about it.

 

Nothing is free because of opportunity cost. Time spent playing BA is worth no experience, so you need to weigh the benefits of the torso against the benefits of the hours of training time you give up. Even if you can only make 40k xp/hr in combat xp, which is very conservative, think how long it would take for +1 max hit to make up for 3 hours of missed training time. Now consider the money you've missed out on in 3 hours--for an average player, that'll probably be at least 600k.

 

 

 

Remember, that's assuming you only need 3 hours, which is a figure I totally made up; it could take even longer. Then factor in the extra food used because of the lower defense bonuses of the torso--that costs time and money as well. (And even when you have a bunyip healing you enough that you don't need food, you're still giving up potential xp you could be getting from a combat familiar.)

 

 

 

And it gets even worse if you don't enjoy BA, or even if you don't enjoy a particular role in BA since you're forced to play all of them for the torso. And even if you do enjoy BA, you have to weigh the torso against the other prizes you could be getting. At this basic level it becomes readily obvious that the Torso is not "free" at all, since you need to pay a buttload of points to buy it, and you could have converted those points directly into profit by gambling. And if you do like the game, why aren't you spending your points on leveling up in your roles instead of buying a piece of equipment you don't need?

 

 

 

On top of all that, the torso isn't even the best available option, so if one day you do have the money for a Bandos Chestplate and you decide to get one, what do you do with your torso? It'll be obsolete. You just throw it away and/or never use it again, and all that effort ends up being wasted.

[hihihi727]

i love the way it looks, and it's free, i would rather use the 15m or w/e on a BCP for something else, although a BCP is more useful for GWD because of the no negative magic defence and stuff, but thats about it.

 

Nothing is free because of opportunity cost. Time spent playing BA is worth no experience, so you need to weigh the benefits of the torso against the benefits of the hours of training time you give up. Even if you can only make 40k xp/hr in combat xp, which is very conservative, think how long it would take for +1 max hit to make up for 3 hours of missed training time. Now consider the money you've missed out on in 3 hours--for an average player, that'll probably be at least 600k.

 

 

 

Remember, that's assuming you only need 3 hours, which is a figure I totally made up; it could take even longer. Then factor in the extra food used because of the lower defense bonuses of the torso--that costs time and money as well. (And even when you have a bunyip healing you enough that you don't need food, you're still giving up potential xp you could be getting from a combat familiar.)

 

 

 

And it gets even worse if you don't enjoy BA, or even if you don't enjoy a particular role in BA since you're forced to play all of them for the torso. And even if you do enjoy BA, you have to weigh the torso against the other prizes you could be getting. At this basic level it becomes readily obvious that the Torso is not "free" at all, since you need to pay a buttload of points to buy it, and you could have converted those points directly into profit by gambling. And if you do like the game, why aren't you spending your points on leveling up in your roles instead of buying a piece of equipment you don't need?

 

 

 

On top of all that, the torso isn't even the best available option, so if one day you do have the money for a Bandos Chestplate and you decide to get one, what do you do with your torso? It'll be obsolete. You just throw it away and/or never use it again, and all that effort ends up being wasted.

 

 

 

Actually, it took me 14 hours and i never even used it because i got hit too much and i didn't see any difference in max hit. So i decided that i should do something with it instead of leaving it lying around in my bank gathering dust; i took it to fight the Chaos Elemental with my friends and i promptply died, you can't even retrieve it from your grave. Although i can only earn 130k an hour (unless i go to green dragons), thats still 1.8mil i could've got and honestly its not worth it; barbarian assaults was pretty fun i guess but after playing for a few hours, trying to find a team gets really annoying so no don't get it if anything get void instead.

[Awkward Talking Fish]

If you're doing BA for FUN then it's worth it. Also, that dude's math is based on numbers he picked out of thin air.

[stonewall337]

If you're doing BA for FUN then it's worth it. Also, that dude's math is based on numbers he picked out of thin air.

 

 

 

You obviously don't know compfreak then....

 

 

 

It isn't worth it, unless you love BA or the looks. It has terrible defense.

[JoeDaStudd]

That math compfreak did never made much sense.

 

If you divide your max exp per hour, but your max attacks per hour (6-(0.6*weapon speed)) then divide that by 4 you have your average damage per attack.

 

4+ strength bonus adds a max of 1 to this and a min of 0 so an average of 0.5 extra damage.

 

Now inverse the math so that you add 0.5 to the average then times it by 4 then attacks per hour and you have your % increase given by fighter torso.

 

 

 

In short difference is ((v2/v1)*100)-100

 

v1 = (me/ah)/4

 

v2 =((me/ah)/4+)0.5

 

 

 

So say your max exp per hour is 25k and your attacking 750 times per hour (half the max number attacks of whip) then the added 0.5 damage to your average hit would increase your exp per hour by about 5.5%. Now not that many people would say 25k is a fair number so lets use 50k and 75k with the same 750 attacks per hour. 50k gains about 3.25% and 75k gains about 2%.

 

 

 

As for the time to recoup the lost exp well based on no gaining any exp for 10hours its about 68m exp when your gaining 100k exp per hour. Remember this is if your hitting 0's half the time (hence only adding 0.5 damage not 1), only attacking at half the rate you could be, gaining close to the best combat exp possible, not including exp from the games and taking 10 hours to get it. At 50k per hour its 17m exp, again not taking any of the mentioned into account.

 

 

 

Overall its still not worth it, the math is just a bit off.

 

Hell using the perfect setup the recoup exp point can be as low as 17m which is damn far from the 132m exp compfreak stated.

 

 

 

My math could be completely wrong, but I'd just like to point out my math is very different to compfreaks.

[Troacctid]

4+ strength bonus adds a max of 1 to this and a min of 0 so an average of 0.5 extra damage.

 

This is incorrect because it assumes +1 to your max hit is the same as +1 to every hit.

 

 

 

If your max hit is 25 and torso increases it to 26, that means you'll only get the extra damage 1/26 of the time, not including the times that you miss. That'll increase your average hit, sure, but not by anything close to 0.5 damage.

[Zaaps1]

Compfreak's math:

 

 

 

 

Because the barrows plate surpasses it in any area that requires defence, and proslyte top surpasses it in any place that requires offense (+10% prayer). Even at the best training spot, Armored Zombies, proslyte is actually better due to the less frequent prayer charging required.

 

 

 

Even hypothetically assuming that we ignore the defence and prayer bonus shortcomings, torso provides roughly (120/4)*2)/100 = .6% faster XP. Assuming it takes 8 hours to learn BH, find a team, and actually get the torso (conservative; I've found that it usually takes over 10 in total time), your spending 8 hours to get .6% faster XP. Therefore, the 99.4% of full XP you would normally get from training for those 8 hours is the equivalent of 7.95 hours of training with a torso; because torso boosts XP by .6%, we can divide 7.95 by .006 for 1325 hours, the amount of training required to make torso worth getting over adamant chainbody (most monsters, including armored zombies, use a crush attack where chainbody is superior). 1325 hours = 132,500,000 XP training at Armored Zombies, along with 251,750,000 GP of profit.

 

 

 

So, if you plan on camping for more then 132.5 million XP, torso is worth getting over adamant chainbody. Of course, proslyte plate would blow it right out of the water, and to a lesser extent, bandos - the +1 prayer would by far make up for the cost over the millions of XP, and it can be resold, unlike the figher torso. The torso is entirely unsuitable for PVP, or indeed, any activity besides training, so those need not be considered.

 

 

 

Bottom line: Adamant Chainbody is superior to Fighter Torso unless you intend to train for over 132,500,000 XP (132.5 million) XP; if you include rune\bandos\proslyte in that order, they will all by FAR trump the torso.

 

 

 

Makes plenty of sense to me.

 

 

 

EDIT: So basically it's saying if you plan on getting 135m xp with the torso, then it is better than the ADAMANT CHAINBODY or PLATEBODY. However, Prossy plate and Bandos plate totally wreck it.

 

 

 

However, I have a torso myself, and in some occasions it is helpful, but it was not worth the time it took to get it.

 

 

 

There is one thing it is good for: it's fairly lightweight for its defenses, so its good for activities such as Runecrafting. Even then, there are better options, such as Varrock Armor 3.

[MiniCale]

thanks guys after the replys and theorys i have decided not to get it but ill leave this thread for other people

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:thumbsup: tyvm :thumbsup:

[JoeDaStudd]

I'm I really the only one who read compfreaks formula and call it complete bs?

 

 

120 (average strength bonus with whip) /4 (for the exact boost the torso provides) *2 (to allow for strength bonus being only half of the formula, strength being the other half) / 100 (to convert to a percentage) = .6% (final allowance for how much of a boost fighter torso provides at a hypothetical 100% hitting rate)

 

 

 

((120/4)*2)/100

 

120 is the strength bonus with fighter torso (I used the item calc to try and get the 120 which was only possible using fighter torso without degradables)

 

4 the strength bonus of the torso

 

 

 

0.6 is what the torso is meant to affect it by but less try climbing boots with the same setup.

 

So we minus 2 from the strength bonus and use 2 as the divider.

 

((118/2)*2)/100

 

So omg climbing boots have a greater effect to the exp per hour then torso does. (1.18% vs 0.6%).

 

 

 

Let try it with bersker ring (i)

 

((124/8)*2)/100

 

Yep thats right berserker ring only increases the your exp by 0.31% strange when have the bonus increases it by almost x2 more.

 

 

 

Just to without a doubt call the formula completely wrong.

 

Lets have a look at the whips effect on the exp per hour.

 

((120/82)*2)/100

 

Yea whip only effects your exp per hour by less then 0.003%.

 

 

 

Like I said the maths compfreak used for fighter torso vs addy chain and for anti-torso was complete fiction is written completely wrong.

 

 

 

It really annoyes me when people always look at the cover, but never read into the book. Just because of the blurb.

 

 

 

2 Cents

[cat666]

Is fighter torso worth it?

 

 

 

I am 70 defence and are thinking about getting fighter torso but is it worth the effort and time to get it?

 

or should i just use torags plate or save up for bandos plate?

 

 

 

Please help me decide

 

 

 

No it isn't worth it. Get a barrows plate. Torags is fine.

 

 

 

Barbarian Assault is a good minigame though, just the torso is lacking.