Dirkmetal Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 If there is already a thread like this one, please lock it because mine is better :D. Kidding, just kidding!, lock this one lol. Rune prices: Death, 306 gp Blood, 356 gp (I think they have been merched, there old stable price was 356 gp before Aug 30 now they are 486, so we shall go with the old prices for fairness) Water, 16 gp Chaos, 112 gp (damn these get merched so much it's alomst impossible to get a good idea of their natural price) Ice Barrage: 4 death = 1224 gp 2 blood = 712 gp 6 water = 96 gp Total = 2032 gp Max hit; 30-33 Cost for 30 damage (one target): No staff, 2032 Water staff, 1936 Bonus staff, 1847 Cost for one damage with one target: No staff, 67.73 Water staff, 64.53 Bonus staff, 61.57 Cost for one damage with nine targets: No staff, 7.52 Water staff, 7.17 Bonus staff, 6.84 This translates into saving 96 gp with a water staff, and saving a handsome 185 gp with a staff that gives the 10% damage bonus. Ice Burst: 4 chaos = 448 gp 2 death = 612 gp 4 water = 64 gp Total = 1124 gp Max hit; 22-24 Cost for 22 damage (one target): No staff, 1124 Water staff, 1060 Bonus staff, 1030 Cost for one damage with one target: No staff, 51.09 Water staff, 48.18 Bonus staff, 46.83 Cost for one damage with nine targets: No staff, 5.67 Water staff, 5.35 Bonus staff, 5.20 This translates into saving 64 gp with a water staff, and saving 94 gp with a 10% damage bonus staff. So now we can see that with the current price of water runes it is always smarter to choose a staff that boosts you max hit by 10%, over a water staff. Higher max hit, and it's cheaper in the long run, it's a win-win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul191600 Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 I think most people will take the 10% over the 64 gp saved. Generally if you are spending that much already on runes, you want to hit hard, and dont care about a measly 64 gp per cast. Just imo. The sour dough of the epitmous pie hungers for another's sweet lips to be dulled into a state of most irreverant humblenessTUBULAR BELLS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladewing Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 I think most people will take the 10% over the 64 gp saved. Generally if you are spending that much already on runes, you want to hit hard, and dont care about a measly 64 gp per cast. Just imo. If you had read the entire post, you would see that the 10% bonus saves more money, and is concluded to be better. :thumbup: How to Chin Nechyraels for fast XP and profit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lap Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Nice! Digging the calculations. Thanks for the tip, I was wondering the same thing myself. 45,657th to 99 Range 29/09/09 , 41,018th to 99 Mage 13/11/09__________________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assume Nothing Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Little math fail there - You don't hit max all the time. Use hit spreads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xpx Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Another one of those ''simplify until it's simple enough to easily calculate'' topics, aye? Magic experience goes differently from other combat styles, being base xp plus 2x damage done, so this renderes your calculations wrong already. Furthermore, hits are integers- you are proposing us to hit 1.1 when a normal staff would hit 1- this does not occour and thus you do not do 10% more damage(it's rather around 6% more damage). Also, you forgot to mention the difference in magic attack bonus. By my calculations(yet again, these are calculations and have been simplified to some extent also) you are better off using 10% staff on 9 targets if your average hit is above 15, but you are always better off using water staff when casting against any single opponent(yet again, i can't add time/money into these because you'd be killing monsters faster with 10% staff). First to 99 Farming on 27. September, 2005.First to 3766 Port Score on 20. March, 2014.First to 4664 Port Score on 2. March, 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karvinen Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Blood, 356 gp (I think they have been merched, there old stable price was 356 gp before Aug 30 now they are 486, so we shall go with the old prices for fairness) I think that's because the infinite shop stocks were removed -> the supply decreased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madouge Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Blood, 356 gp (I think they have been merched, there old stable price was 356 gp before Aug 30 now they are 486, so we shall go with the old prices for fairness) I think that's because the infinite shop stocks were removed -> the supply decreased. I doubt it because they cost like 500gp from shops, so if their price is 356gp I doubt the people supplying them are getting them from shops as that would mean a substantial loss. Click the pic if you wanna see a Ranged Slayer blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown_Warrior Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Blood runes are required in high numbers for God spells, which are now all autocastable. It's only logical. Dragon Drops : 5 Dragon Medium Helmets, 3 Dragon Claws, 3 Dragon platelegs, 2 Dragon plateskirts, 2 Dragon Hatchets, 2 Dragon Spears, 7 pairs of Dragon Boots, 1 Dragon pickaxe, 10 Dragon defenders, 3 Dragon 2h swords, 1 Dragon armour Slice, 1 Dragon armour Lump, 1 Dragon chainbody, 1 Dragon kiteshield, 1 Dragon hasta, 1 Dragon ward, 25 Dragon knives pairsThe Warrior's Blog , Herblore Habitat - Efficient and profitable[hide=Stats and logs].:Adventurer's Log:.[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xpx Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Blood runes are required in high numbers for God spells, which are now all autocastable. It's only logical. There would be logic in your sentance only if the new autocast function would have added new dimensions of training to the spells(which it didn't, since the most useful training god spell was already autocastable and god spells are not cost efficient for training anyway). They are being merchanted...... First to 99 Farming on 27. September, 2005.First to 3766 Port Score on 20. March, 2014.First to 4664 Port Score on 2. March, 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirkmetal Posted September 6, 2009 Author Share Posted September 6, 2009 Another one of those ''simplify until it's simple enough to easily calculate'' topics, aye? Magic experience goes differently from other combat styles, being base xp plus 2x damage done, so this renderes your calculations wrong already. Furthermore, hits are integers- you are proposing us to hit 1.1 when a normal staff would hit 1- this does not occour and thus you do not do 10% more damage(it's rather around 6% more damage). Also, you forgot to mention the difference in magic attack bonus. By my calculations(yet again, these are calculations and have been simplified to some extent also) you are better off using 10% staff on 9 targets if your average hit is above 15, but you are always better off using water staff when casting against any single opponent(yet again, i can't add time/money into these because you'd be killing monsters faster with 10% staff). What? I was talking about GP, not experience, the only thing that you that I could have done, was to use hit averages instead of max. What do you mean I forgot magic attack bonus? That only effects accuracy, and that is based random numbers making it extremely hard, maybe even impossible to calculate. I'm curious tough, I would like to see what you ended up with when calculating if it's better or not, experience wise, to use a water or a 10% staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xpx Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Another one of those ''simplify until it's simple enough to easily calculate'' topics, aye? Magic experience goes differently from other combat styles, being base xp plus 2x damage done, so this renderes your calculations wrong already. Furthermore, hits are integers- you are proposing us to hit 1.1 when a normal staff would hit 1- this does not occour and thus you do not do 10% more damage(it's rather around 6% more damage). Also, you forgot to mention the difference in magic attack bonus. By my calculations(yet again, these are calculations and have been simplified to some extent also) you are better off using 10% staff on 9 targets if your average hit is above 15, but you are always better off using water staff when casting against any single opponent(yet again, i can't add time/money into these because you'd be killing monsters faster with 10% staff). What? I was talking about GP, not experience, the only thing that you that I could have done, was to use hit averages instead of max. What do you mean I forgot magic attack bonus? That only effects accuracy, and that is based random numbers making it extremely hard, maybe even impossible to calculate. I'm curious tough, I would like to see what you ended up with when calculating if it's better or not, experience wise, to use a water or a 10% staff. Even when calculating by gp, doing 110% damage(which actually is more like 106% damage, due to the integer problem) does not in any way lead us to a barrage costing 91% what it would normally(the less you hit the less the bonus helps and visa versa). This really isn't as simple as you wrote it out to be and would require some thorough testing to bring about any meaningful results. First to 99 Farming on 27. September, 2005.First to 3766 Port Score on 20. March, 2014.First to 4664 Port Score on 2. March, 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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